Topic: Space-travelling mushrooms

It is said spores can survive for thousands of years with no supply of air or light (e.g. Tutankhamon's tomb). So does that make them able to survive space travel as well? I don't see why not. The spore would need to be totally shut down during travel and have some way to know when it has arrived at a location to start living again (e.g. when it gets wet or warm); apparently spores already can do this. It would also need to be able to withstand a heavy dosis of radiation, but I think the more simple a lifeform is, the less fatal the effects of radiation are on it.

That's all very nice and neat to have fungi travelling through the void of the cosmos, but what good does that do anyone? I have a few theories on it:

- Mushrooms/fungi as terraforming "devices"
I'm not a biologist, but from what I understand fungi have a huge role in the ecosystems on Earth. They are also organisms capable of making changes on a very small level, yet cover huge areas (there is a 2.200 acre mushroom in Oregon). I think it's possible for spores to land on a planet without burning in the atmosphere. The reason space shuttles and such experience so much heat is because they are coming from an orbit, meaning they have been rotating at speeds over 25.000 km/h. A spore is sturdy enough to afford falling straight down, and is light enough to be reduced in speed very easily. A spore falling down to Earth would most likely get slowed down to only a few 100 km/h. Some might not survive the fall, but spores usually come in big numbers.

Once landed the spores would need to be able to adapt to the current climate of the planet. Again, I am no biologist, but I do know fungi can be quite resilient, even against pretty heavy chemicals, so again I see them pulling off that trick. Then it's a matter of growing, converting the atmosphere into gases that are desired by whoever sent the spores into space in the first place, and make a fertile soil for vegetation. Basically, as long as you have energy (sunlight) and a "machine" running on that energy (fungi), I guess you can make alot of changes. Once the terraforming is complete, the fungi either kill themselves off, or integrate themselves into the new ecosystem. Some can become parasitic, either to stimulate natural selection, or just because they don't want to die and rather see other organisms dying to sustain themselves.

- Mushrooms/fungi as surviving refugees
Another theory would be that fungi are actually complex lifeforms (they do form somewhat of a neural network), that either have always had that form, or have adopted it to survive space travel. When any planet is threatened by a war, asteroid, supernova, black hole, or whatever dangers the cosmos offers, and if that planet is inhabited by sentient species, it would not surprise me if those species try to make a last survival effort. Sending yourself in one form or another into all possible directions is one such effort. It would explain why some mushrooms have hallucinogenic effects in humans, because you'd actually be fusing a part of the consciousness of another (advanced, space-travelling) being into your own. The reason many mushrooms are not psychoactive could be either that they are also sentient beings but not as compatible with the human mind as their other variants, or that they are non-sentient mutations of the original sentient fungal lifeforms, mutated after landing on a new planet.

- A combination
A combination of these two theories is also a possibility. An advanced race might develop both a certain type of fungus to be a terraforming machine, and another type of fungus to be a consciousness escape pod. Perhaps they planned to re-adopt their original form after the sentient fungus had grown and developed enough to shape structures, or perhaps they planned to fuse with another sentient species and have them help to restore the original form, or perhaps even they were satisfied with their new fungal form.

- Life seeding
Somewhat related to the terraforming theory, but not to terraform a planet for the personal use of whoever designed the fungus, but rather to kickstart the cycle of life on a planet.



I was originally planning on having a discussion about this in the chatroom, but noone has been there since 21 april, so I'm not sure wether it will work. If anyone is interested in discussing these theories and related subjects in a realtime manner, I propose monday 9 may at 18:00 UTC (20:00 CEST, 14:00 US east coast). If you are planning to come to the chatroom then, I recommend you announce this in this thread (so I know how much cookies&milk to bring), but to keep your theories and ideas to yourself until monday, otherwise all discussion matter may have already been covered (= run out) on the forum by then.

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2 (edited by bumblebee 2005-05-06 05:07:43)

Re: Space-travelling mushrooms

hi aprogas, how would the spores get into space in the first place? levitation?
you might have heard the ideas on space-traveling mushroom spores from mckenna as he proposed the idea.

aprogas wrote:

It would explain why some mushrooms have hallucinogenic effects in humans, because you'd actually be fusing a part of the consciousness of another (advanced, space-travelling) being into your own. The reason many mushrooms are not psychoactive could be either that they are also sentient beings but not as compatible with the human mind as their other variants, or that they are non-sentient mutations of the original sentient fungal lifeforms, mutated after landing on a new planet.

For me it is very simple: some mushrooms have hallucinogenic effects because they contain hallucinogens, these hallucinogens function as alternative neurotransmitters, making your trains of thought not running in their usual tracks.
on a more symbolical level perhaps you perceive the consciousness expansion as entering an for you foreign (alien) reality, which could induce one to mistakenly confuse this perception with the actual form, the mushrooms themselves.

i don't think hallucinogenic mushrooms are more sentient then other vegetation and i don't think that eating sentient vegetation (i don't believe in sentient mushrooms) would result in consciousness expansion. That would mean that eating dolphins, bonobo or humans would result in a hallucinogenic effect because of the consciousness being fused... never heard about that.
About hallucinogenic mushroom spores from space: there is no indication whatsoever that hallucinogenic mushrooms did not evolve here on earth with the rest of the biotope.

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Re: Space-travelling mushrooms

Woo Hoo!
Go here to read about the races of the sentient mushroom people.
http://cod.kyndig.com/races.htm

Well, alls I can say is, I've done my share of shrooms, and I've seen my share of "sentient beings" whilst under the influence, and I can't explain what I experienced.  Oddly, I knew plenty of other people (at that time in my life) who had practically identical experiences.  Can I prove it? Nope.  But for me - its real.

Enlightenment happens!  Attachment to the ego-self leads one into delusion; but faith in one's Buddha nature leads one to enlightenment.

Re: Space-travelling mushrooms

bumblebee wrote:

hi aprogas, how would the spores get into space in the first place? levitation?

Whoever genetically designed them would have launched them into space.

bumblebee wrote:

i don't think hallucinogenic mushrooms are more sentient then other vegetation and i don't think that eating sentient vegetation (i don't believe in sentient mushrooms) would result in consciousness expansion. That would mean that eating dolphins, bonobo or humans would result in a hallucinogenic effect because of the consciousness being fused... never heard about that.

Perhaps if you consume the neural networks of the animals you listed, you do hallucinate. I never tried that though and I don't recommend anyone does.

bumblebee wrote:

About hallucinogenic mushroom spores from space: there is no indication whatsoever that hallucinogenic mushrooms did not evolve here on earth with the rest of the biotope.

Mushrooms would have evolved on this planet if they seeded it with life in the first place.

All these things I mentioned are not really something I believe is so, but something I believe could be so and wish to start a chain of ideas with in other people.

Re: Space-travelling mushrooms

im not sure if any of you caught a related science article a few months back, but there is some speculation that fungus may have been a key part in the extinction of the dinosaurs, contrary to popular belief that a comet/asteroid hit the earth and wiped them out.

let me try to run it down in a nutshell:

for some time people have began challenging the asteroid theory, and recently evidence came up showing that dinosaurs didnt die out until many thousand years after the impact.

well, it turns out that Fungus (mushrooms are fungus) may have been the key element that choked the dinos to death, because they are cold blooded, the fungus spores would completely take over their internal system. on the other hand, it was said that warm blooded creatures would be able to overcome the fungus, due to the warm blood or something.

anyhow, im trying to locate the article on that, and if i do find it ill link it or something.

but let me interject my own theory.

- the asteroid impact is probably WHERE the fungus came from in the first place.

someone asked "how would the fungus get into space" well theres your answer.

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

Re: Space-travelling mushrooms

here it is:
http://www.zonabi.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=999

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'