Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

Yes, this is a quandry because each person's situation is different.  There are times when I can talk openly, and times when I can't.  One has to gage their own situation and make the appropriate choices.  In my office, I'm the only woman - with 4 guys who are into golf, basketball, bowling, their job, and their family.  Period.  In the past, when I've hinted even remotely about conspiracys, eyes have rolled and sniggers have come out.  Quite frankly, I'm not in a position to even joke about such things in this environment, so..., I choose to "hold my peace" there. 

I have friends and family whom I can talk with and they spread the word to their people and so on.  What the heck are we supposed to do about it anyway?  Perhaps knowing is enough.  Perhaps having a consciousness that "ha ha I see what you are doing", is enough to keep the edge on the boogey men.  There are precious few years left until the much awaited for 2012 end of time as we know it arrives.  I've decided to spend it in as much harmony with my loved ones as possible, and may the rest go a-begging.   You know, if we all did that, wouldn't it be loverly.

I'm a senior now, and after over 40 years of this info, I'm wearing out.  But I can understand how you younger people feel.  Truly I do.

Enlightenment happens!  Attachment to the ego-self leads one into delusion; but faith in one's Buddha nature leads one to enlightenment.

17 (edited by zonabi 2005-05-06 10:10:28)

Re: From Jazzpen to Shanjuran vis Eagle Red

true, i have never brought any of this stuff out here in the workplace
thats a different sad story.

but interesting enough, when i first started here, i was working on the company's computer, which the previous graphic designer had used, and i came across some files that hinted that the previous designer was somewhat into the "political conspiracy" bit and such... so that adds to the whole talk of "people out there just being silent" but they are aware.

yes, knowing is a very major part. and im sure, that the right people are reached at the right times, etc. and i still want to tell the world!

*oh, and i absolutely agree that we should spend our time loving for each other, spreading that positive vibe

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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Right On. The love vibe is our guarantee of success. That has ever been the purpose of the Matrix, to smother the love vibration.

19 (edited by Jazzpen 2005-05-06 20:42:36)

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I am able to see now what is meant by the 'one'. When a group of beings, whether it be 2or3 or a couple of billion, come together in a united desire for freedom, under the protection of the love vibration, then they form one consciousness. In a very real sense they are One, yet they retain their individual forms which, to me, is having the best of both Worlds, so to speak. As One they protect and care for each other.

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i saw it like this once:

for some reason the analogy of change (like, pennies and nickels etc) came to mind. i was thinking about how the more you break down the money into change, the kind of "less valuable" it becomes, you know?

well equate that to how in some sense, we are all sliced off portions of a much larger piece, a soul or whatever you want to call it, and on to bigger parts etc. well it may sound a little sad that we would be cut off pieces, but thats putting it kind of bluntly.

i mean, theoretically, the reason why we're here, the physical universe exists, is because at some point something decided to seperate into different parts and it began dividing and dividing over and over like mitosis or something...

but then there comes a point when u gotta turn around and go the other way and start rebuilding it all.

the 'matrix' tries to break you down in all senses.  its what its all about. the physical universe, the tangible universe, that can be measured (broken down) , we break down the days into hours etc.

thus, the opposite of this would be to gather up, to break away from labels and that stuff like opposition (division/seperation) and all that junk. to meet up and form networks ... getting in touch with inner space

easier said than done, i know, but we're working on it

wink

similar to several beliefs, like that

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

21 (edited by Jazzpen 2005-05-08 18:20:36)

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I have learnt the significance of 122112. It is. for us, more shocking than we would ever have imagined. It is not easy therefore to pass this information on. We humans are going to be pitched, en mass, to a state of hair-trigger preparedness for the Big Day Out, as some of our Predator-wardens like to jokingly call it. Fear will play a big part in this.

   What is happening right now around the Globe is the setting of the stage and the erection of all the props that will background the much looked forward to grand senario.

   When it is all over, we humans will no longer exist apart from a select few who will be permitted to survive. We will all have been eaten, alive, in one  great smorgasborg frenzy.

   Each of us is hurtling towards that day.

   I want to tell you something that you must hold to your hearts: The sun is our one true friend. The sun will never have any truck with the predators. We must begin our fight for self-determination and freedom by bringing the sun back into our lives. Not with ritual, symbolism or worship, they are the Predator's methods. Simply allow the sun to infuse you with its all-embracing rays. The sun is the only real friend we have, believe that always otherwise there is no hope for us.

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Why the sun? And when you say eaten do you mean that literally by creatues or in some metaphorical sense?

23 (edited by Jazzpen 2005-05-08 19:01:14)

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Literally.

24 (edited by Jazzpen 2005-05-09 16:53:24)

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Would you rather I kept the secret? Do you think I didn't spend much time wrestling with this issue? The mere idea of instilling even more cause for fear in the world is abhorent to me and no-one is going to love me for it but the sheer fact is if I have to fight fear with fear to get your attention then so be it. I have only one goal in life and it is to save as many of us as I possibly can.

There is no more time left for being other than blunt and completely open. There can be no more secrets. I must warn you too, that 122112 is not necessarilly the true date. The Predators are cunning enough to have forseen the possibility of their plans being exposed and their actual date may be sometime earlier. We don't know for sure.

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Interesting, people have been eaten (human mutilations, disappearances, the "vats") and will continue to be eaten. The operation terra readers being told to jump through a portal without hesitation 'when the time comes' could be something along these lines. However I have serious doubts that there will be a literal feeding frenzy come 2012, that a mass harvesting of human flesh will take place. Will explain my position later, but first I'd like to hear how you came to this conclusion.

It really sounds to me like you had a dream that really shook you up...if so I would re-examine the dream in symbolic rather than literal terms. If I had dreamt what you posted, it would be a warning telling me to keep a positive attitude and hold on to my inner light. 

But if you sense it's literal, what do you suggest people do? And who is supposed to be eating us?

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

26 (edited by cameron 2005-05-08 19:38:41)

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Jazzpen wrote:

There is no more time left for being other than blunt and completely open. There can be no more secrets. I must warn you too, that 211221 in not necessarilly the true date. The Predators are cunning enough to have forseen the possibility of their plans being exposed and their actual date may be sometime earlier. We don't know for sure.

Who's we?

27 (edited by wandering1 2005-05-08 21:04:33)

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Jazzpen, I am also interested in where you are getting your information.

Jazzpen wrote:

When it is all over, we humans will no longer exist apart from a select few who will be permitted to survive.

Let's say that we are living through a shift right now.  The timing is variable, but it is quite possible that there will be some sort of major culmination by around the end of 2012.  It could come sooner.

If the frequency of the planet is rising, then it does make sense that entities that cannot tolerate or adapt to the higher frequency will no longer be able to live here.  This applies to all entities, whether they be human, alien or otherwise.

I think that the numbers are variable because we do not know how many people will be able to make the adjustment.  Possibly the majority or vast majority will not be able to adjust.



Jazzpen wrote:

We will all have been eaten, alive, in one  great smorgasborg frenzy.

I think that the culmination of the shift can be seen from a positive or negative view.  Also, the end result could be positive or negative. 

I have the opinion that the result will be positive and there are various sources that agree with that viewpoint.

During the period leading up to the culmination, one of the possibilities is that the negative aliens and their human counterparts will implement, or attempt to implement, a program of killing large numbers of people.  I have heard the viewpoint that a much smaller human population might make humans easier to control.

I think that it is quite possible that some people today are being taken and eaten or used for parts.  It's a pretty awful prospect to consider, and it goes along with the analogy that humans are like cattle for other entities.

Would the negative aliens want to eat billions of people at once?  It doesn't really make sense to me.  It doesn't seem to follow the rules of metabolism.  Also, there are indications that the negative entities are deliberate and to some extent efficient.  The "great smorgasborg frenzy" idea does not seem consistent with their observed patterns of behavior.

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guys,

how about calmly just talking with each other ?

let Jazzpen's words flow out as they should, dont ridicule or put down.

you know whats funny,

a while back, when i FIRST got into this aliens conspiracy stuff, i remember telling some of my friends: "im gonna worship the sun. its the only thing that we actually KNOW is actually keeping us alive." something to that effect...

jazpen ever heard of theories/conspiracies claiming that a major solar event had to be covered up (patched up) by the Sirians some 25+ years ago ?
(i realize i may have gotten some information mixed up, who cares)

i tend to agree with what wandering just said: that it doesnt make sense for them to eat us all. i think thats just all part of their plan, to instill fear in us. i also reserve the fact that this may be symbolic, the "eating", not literal. and in that case, its been going on for millenia.

z

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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Jazzpen wrote:

I have learnt the significance of 122112. It is. for us, more shocking than we would ever have imagined. It is not easy therefore to pass this information on. We humans are going to be pitched, en mass, to a state of hair-trigger preparedness for the Big Day Out, as some of our Predator-wardens like to jokingly call it. Fear will play a big part in this.

   What is happening right now around the Globe is the setting of the stage and the erection of all the props that will background the much looked forward to grand senario.

   When it is all over, we humans will no longer exist apart from a select few who will be permitted to survive. We will all have been eaten, alive, in one  great smorgasborg frenzy.

   Each of us is hurtling towards that day.

   I want to tell you something that you must hold to your hearts: The sun is our one true friend. The sun will never have any truck with the predators. We must begin our fight for self-determination and freedom by bringing the sun back into our lives. Not with ritual, symbolism or worship, they are the Predator's methods. Simply allow the sun to infuse you with its all-embracing rays. The sun is the only real friend we have, believe that always otherwise there is no hope for us.

Jazzpen,

This is an incredibly alarming message, and I too would like some clarification, more details on it. As you stated, you have learnt the significance of 122112. From where/whom, or how did you learn it?

Btw, I don't engage in rituals, or worship of any kind. But, I also know that without the sun, we'd be toast in no time. And this (theory) may have been covered many times, I honestly don't know, but it seems to me that the real purpose of those dastardly chemtrails is to block our sun, an essential source of vitality, health, and life. In my mind, our Sun is the "son of God", the major sustainer/giver of life on earth.

Yet, over the last decade or so, we've been increasingly told that our sun is dangerous, that exposure to it is unhealthy, toxic, and even potentially fatal. This info has been roundly propagated almost without question, objection, or any critical examination. I too had "fallen" for that shite, for a time. No more. I've come around (full circle) to realize that exposure to our sun is neither threatening, nor dangerous to our health; most certainly not in the ways it's been described. In fact, as you also stated, it is vital to our health, well being and very survival. Our sun may well be our best "friend", as you put it.

Still, your message remains vague, alarming, and given the gravity of it, you'd be doing us all a favour by answering the questions which have been repeatedly posed; questions which imo were neither rude nor ridiculous, and which were instigated by your post.

Thank you,

30 (edited by Barefoot Doc 2005-05-09 13:49:20)

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impatiens wrote:

Yet, over the last decade or so, we've been increasingly told that our sun is dangerous, that exposure to it is unhealthy, toxic, and even potentially fatal. This info has been roundly propagated almost without question, objection, or any critical examination. I too had "fallen" for that shite, for a time. No more. I've come around (full circle) to realize that exposure to our sun is neither threatening, nor dangerous to our health; most certainly not in the ways it's been described. In fact, as you also stated, it is vital to our health, well being and very survival. Our sun may well be our best "friend", as you put it.

Hi impatiens we are being drip fed "the dangers of the sun" stuff infact there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the chemicals in sun creams actually make us more suseptable to skin cancer. I am not suggesting anyone should get sunburnt but healthy sun exposure is important. I never use those chemical sun protection creams anymore.

I am worried its only part of a truth with regard to focusing just on the sun as jazzpen suggests, life is only possibe because of the interaction of the sun and the earth of which we are made from.
Alarm bells start ringing when people ask to fragment our focus on specifics such as the sun while ignoring the very thing we live on and what animates us from within.
The sun is not the only friend i have, the spirit that animates me and my higher self IS. (though i do like the sun of course)
Why fragment when we are the whole?

Its hard enough to discern all the misinformation out there as it is without taking on board others doomsday scenario based on i don't know what.

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.