Topic: Astral Projection

Hey guys I dont know who is familiar with astral projection but it's basically another 'body' we have or phase of consciousness. Thats not the best definition to describe it so robaly a search on it would be best, but the reason why im writing this is because well after 4 months of trying to astral project i FINALLY managed to do it last night! It took me about 15 minnutes until my astral body started to loosen out of my phsyical i didnt go anywhere but was just astounded at the amazing feeling. I also noticed as i began to have the OOB the center of my forehead was BURNING not painfuly though im guessing my eye chakra was activating hence the reason why i was looking around in the astral of course not looking around wiht my eyes in the way that they recieve light but the feeeling was AMAZING nothing like it if anyone here hasn't started trying to Astral Project i highly recommend getting started. I haven't even explored anywhere in the astral but im already excited over the way it feels lol

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Yeah... I remember when I was about 17 and I started seeing myself in the corner of the room!!!! And somebody was always with me when it happened, which was strange as I remember asking them if they could see me too!!!And they didn't! Around this time I also went outer body, which was very unpleasant as I didn't understand it. I thought i was really sick or something. I could actually stroke my hand and observe it a couple of inches away. Very strange. I quit worrying when I was talking about it and an irish boy said, '' Yeah! That happens to me as well!''. I still get it occasionally and am not so scared. So good luck with the astro stuff and let us know where you go!xxx

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E3mpirical1 wrote:

im already excited over the way it feels lol

It can be incredibly exciting...During the months after I first consciously projected, I remember walking around with an inner smile at the knowing that there's so much more to me than my ordinary waking, bodily consciousness.

I had actually been quite confused, and skeptical, about matters of spirit before I had had a spontaneous, conscious projection one morning.

Several teachers, and paths, warn about becoming too fascinated with astral realities--and I believe they have a point--but as far as its capacity to break down fear and doubt about the existence of life beyond this life, it's hard to beat OBEs as a tool.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

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Not to throw a wrench in the works wink but I've always been against astral projection.   Coming from a family with mucho "abilities" means I had a dad who liked to "fly", as he called it, among his other talents.  His mother did it too, then my brother.   I was always deadset against it.  My dad would tell me stories back when I still lived with him as a teen, saying "I went flying again last night..." sounding all whimsical about it.  I'd always be frowning about it.   He'd ask me if I could do it too, and I'd say no...and that I never wanted to either.  This mystified him, he couldn't understand why I wouldn't want to do such a wonderful cool thing.   My attitude was, and still is, NO.   I can't tell you why....I've just always instintually known to **stay away from this.  Do NOT do it.**   It's BAD.   Which is funny, because I was all about trying to exercise my telepathic and precognitive abilities, wished I had telekinesis in the WORST way since I was a kid.  To be able to move objects with the mind...awesome! 

But astral travel?   NO.  Absolutely not.

But, when it's in the genes, it's in the genes, and it's going to manifest sooner or later anyway, and, it did.  wink   I've never fully astrally "traveled", probably because I've put out strong intentions that I DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT, EVER.  But I have slipped out of my body before.  Became conscious one night that I was floating up at the ceiling.  big_smile  It was such a weird feeling.  I was facing down too, just like I was in my bed, on my stomach.   Just floating.....up by the ceiling.....la la la!    big_smile  haha    For a period of time back in 2003 I had a very loose fit in my body and couldn't lay down for a nap without falling out of my body.  It was so bad I'd have to turn onto my side and scrunch up in the fetal position just to stay in.   In that position you won't slip out.   If I didn't do that, and I was lying on my back, I'd keep slipping out and hover above myself.  Very annoying when you're trying to sleep.

Back in 2002 I had the mother of all astral experiences, which I won't get into here, but I did something I've never even heard of, and didn't think would even be possible.  In fact, if I read about somebody else doing it I wouldn't believe them probably.    But after I did that (accidentally, mind you) I attracted the atttention of someones.  The very next time I went to go to sleep I was taken.  I woke from that abduction with a lump on the base of my skull and a screen memory image of a large, vivid, black and yellow orb spider and the programmed command that "THE LUMP IS A SPIDER BITE!"    Yeah, sure it was.  wink   Give them points for trying, I guess.   Whatever they did to me left me in a blank daze for a week.  I'd go home every night and just lie on my bed staring at the walls for hours.  Couldn't do anything because there was no will to even move.  I could just lay there and do nothing and not even worry about it or care, blank and emotionless.   Didn't really eat, so some of my food spoiled in the fridge.   I imagine that it's what electroshock therapy does to people, or extreme doses of psych drugs.

At any rate, it just cemented it in my mind, for me, to Just Say No To Astral Projection.  wink   I understand if some people like it and need it as a tool for awakening, however, I don't recommend it because I know it can be dangerous.  As someone I know once said, "Sometimes people leave their bodies and they don't come back."   In the context of what they were talking about, they meant that sometimes, people literally CAN'T come back.   They leave to go off flitting about, and something hovering nearby swoops in and jumps in the body.

This might be the reason I have such an instintual, adverse reaction to the idea of "flying."   No thank you!  I'd like to keep my body!  haha

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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It really depends on how much targeting vs protection you have. Astral projection from what I understand is a bit like crawling out of your shell for a while. You're lighter, quicker, it can be quite a bit of fun. I've done it several times, though the glue between my astral and physical is quite strong and it takes extended practice for me to lift off.

But I have to agree with Lyra and say that if shady forces have their eye on you, or on your body, beware when it comes to astral traveling. I know during sleep we separate from our body as an involuntary reflex, but remember this is involuntary and we hover pretty closely to our physical body so it's comparatively safer than willful astral travel. At most you can get soul abducted during this state, but that pales in comparison to having a walk-in take your place. With astral travel you're displaying your intent to leave your body, which opens you up to something else intending with equal strength to take your place.

However, if you're not a strategic target, and if you have great astral strength and protection, then you're probably not much at risk for getting replaced. The key factor is willingly leaving your body or else being too astrally weak to resist an invader. For example, people who commit suicide but fail are good candidates for possession because they made a clear choice to evacuate and that leaves their body open to other things hopping in. Another example are people who deteriorate their astral/etheric bodies through sufficient negative behavior that their soul-body connection is rotted and weak.

I'm not making this stuff up. For instance: 

Ra Material wrote:

Questioner: [...] It seems to me that the fifth-density [STS] entity is attracted in some way to our group by the polarization of this group which acts somehow as a beacon to this entity. Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is, in substance, correct but the efforts of this entity are put forward only reluctantly.
The usual attempts upon positively oriented entities or groups of entities are made, as we have said, by minions of the fifth-density Orion leaders; these are fourth-density. The normal gambit of such fourth density attack is the tempting of the entity or group of entities away from total polarization towards service-to-others and toward the aggrandizement of self or of social organizations with which the self identifies. In the case of this particular group each was given a full range of temptations to cease being of service to each other and to the one infinite Creator. Each entity declined these choices and instead continued with no significant deviation from the desire for a purely other-self service orientation. At this point one of the fifth-density entities over-seeing such detuning processes determined that it would be necessary to terminate the group by what you might call magical means, as you understand ritual magic.
   We have previously discussed the potential for the removal of one of this group by such attack and have noted that by far the most vulnerable is the instrument due to its preincarnative physical complex distortions.

Questioner: In order for this group to remain fully in service to the Creator, since we recognize this
fifth-density entity as the Creator, we must also attempt to serve in any way we can, this entity. Is it
possible for you to communicate to us the desires of this entity if there are any in addition to us simply
ceasing the reception and dissemination of that which you provide?

Ra: I am Ra. This entity has two desires. The first and foremost is to, shall we say, misplace one or more of this group in a negative orientation so that it may choose to be of service along the path of service to self. The objective which must precede this is the termination of the physical complex viability of one of this group while the mind/body/spirit complex is within a controllable configuration.

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Questioner: Can you tell me what caused the instrument to become in a condition toward unconsciousness in the last two meditations prior to this one to such an extent that we discontinued them? [...]

Ra: I am Ra. The entity which greets this instrument from the Orion group first attempted to cause the
mind/body/spirit complex, which you may call spirit, to leave the physical complex of yellow-ray [physical body] in the deluded belief that it was preparing for the Ra contact. You are familiar with this tactic and its consequences. The instrument, with no pause, upon feeling this greeting, called for the grounding within the physical complex by requesting that the hand be held. Thus the greatest aim of the Orion entity was not achieved. However, it discovered that those present were not capable of distinguishing between unconsciousness with the mind/body/spirit intact and the trance state in which the mind/body/spirit complex is not present.
   Therefore, it applied to the fullest extent the greeting [attack] which causes the dizziness and in meditation without protection caused, in this instrument, simple unconsciousness as in what you would call fainting or vertigo. The Orion entity consequently used this tactic to stop the Ra contact from having the opportunity to be accomplished.

Questioner: The instrument has scheduled an operation on her hand next month. If the general
anesthetic is used to produce the unconscious state will this or any other parameters of the operation
allow for any inroads by the Orion entities?

Ra: I am Ra. It is extremely improbable due to the necessity for the intention of the mind/body/spirit
complex, when departing the yellow-ray physical complex, to be serving the Creator in the most specific fashion. The attitude of one approaching such an experience as you describe would not be approaching the unconscious state with such an attitude.

Questioner: We have here, I believe, a very important principle with respect to the Law of One. You
have stated that the attitude of the individual is of paramount importance for the Orion entity to be able to be effective. Would you please explain how this mechanism works with respect to the Law of One and why the attitude of the entity is of paramount importance and why this allows for action by the Orion entity?

Ra: I am Ra. The Law of Confusion or Free Will is utterly paramount in the workings of the infinite
creation. That which is intended has as much intensity of attraction to the polar opposite as the intensity of the intention or desire.
   Thus those whose desires are shallow or transitory experience only ephemeral configurations of what might be called the magical circumstance. There is a turning point, a fulcrum which swings as a mind/body/spirit complex tunes its will to service. If this will and desire is for service-to-others the
corresponding polarity will be activated. In the circumstance of this group there are three such wills
acting as one with the instrument in the, shall we say, central position of fidelity to service. This is as it
must be for the balance of the working and the continuance of the contact. Our vibratory complex is onepointed in these workings also and our will to serve is also of some degree of purity. This has created the attraction of the polar opposite which you experience.
   We may note that such a configuration of free will, one-pointed in service-to-others, also has the
potential for the alerting of a great mass of light strength. This positive light strength, however, operates also under free will and must be invoked. We could not speak to this and shall not guide you, for the nature of this contact is such that the purity of your free will must, above all things, be preserved. Thus you wend your way through experiences discovering those biases which may be helpful.

Questioner: The negatively oriented entities who contact us and others on this planet are limited by the first distortion. They have obviously been limited by the banishing ritual just performed. Could you describe, with respect to free will, how they limit themselves in order to work within the first distortion
and how the banishing ritual itself works?

Ra: I am Ra. This query has several portions. Firstly, those of negative polarity do not operate with
respect to free will unless it is necessary. They call themselves and will infringe whenever they feel it
possible.
   Secondly, they are limited by the great Law of Confusion in that, for the most part, they are unable to enter this planetary sphere of influence and are able to use the windows of time/space distortion only in so far as there is some calling to balance the positive calling. Once they are here, their desire is conquest.
   Thirdly, in the instance of this instrument’s being removed permanently from this space/time, it is necessary to allow the instrument to leave its yellow-ray physical complex of its free will. Thus trickery has been attempted. (practice of astral projection is a willingness to leave the physical body-Tom)

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Questioner: Could you tell me what the plan of the fifth-density negatively oriented entity was and how it would have accomplished it and what the results would have been if it had worked?

Ra: I am Ra. The plan, which is on-going, was to take the mind/body/spirit complex while it was separated from its yellow body physical complex shell, to then place this mind/body/spirit complex within the negative portions of your time/space. The shell would then become that of the unknowing, unconscious entity and could be, shall we say, worked upon to cause malfunction which would end in coma and then in what you call the death of the body. At this point the higher self of the instrument would have the choice of leaving the mind/body/spirit complex in negative sp–we correct–time/space or of allowing incarnation in space/time of equivalent vibration and polarity distortions. Thus this entity would become a negatively polarized entity without the advantage of native negative polarization. It would find a long path to the Creator under these circumstances although the path would inevitably end well

Questioner: Then you are saying that if this fifth-density negative entity is successful in its attempts to
transfer the mind/body/spirit complex when that complex is in what we call the trance state to negatively polarized time/space, then the higher self has no choice but to allow incarnation in negatively polarized space/time? Is that correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The higher self could allow the mind/body/spirit complex to remain in time/space. However, it is unlikely that the higher self would do so indefinitely due to its distortion towards the belief that the function of the mind/body/spirit complex is to experience and learn from other-selves thus experiencing the Creator. A highly polarized positive mind/body/spirit complex surrounded by negative portions of space/time will experience only darkness, for like the magnet, there is no, shall we say, likeness. Thus a barrier is automatically formed.

So according to this, if a person is sufficiently polarized towards positive to attract a negative entity of equal or greater polarity, they can be targetted in such a way that while they are willingly separated from their physical body, their soul can be led into an astral trap and forced to return to 3D under a highly STS configuration that would serve the plans of the negative forces. This is the same stuff the Cassiopaeans and Cosmic Awareness material talks about.

Also the WayOut/Brotherhood material makes mention of similar:

The book 'Brotherhood' wrote:

[...]the Evil Masters, where opportunity offers,
will deliberately break the Divine Law by dislodging
and driving out the Souls of infants, thus steal-
ing their bodies from them, or by driving
out Souls from mature bodies, dispossessing
them, and thereafter obsessing and imper-
sonating such Souls to their friends and as-
sociates. Such in the near future will be of
common occurrence, and will be made easy
for them by all who succumb to fits of pas-
sion, indulgence in intense hatred, jealousy,
or self-pity, or continual brooding over
wrongs done them, or habitual condemna-
tions of others, and who will suddenly wake
one day in another world minus their physi-
cal bodies.

So as far as astral travel goes, if you're neither weak nor targeted, you have nothing to worry about. Otherwise, follow your intuition.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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hey lyra do u think it might be some kind of programming that prevents you from wanting to astral travel, maybe because of the potential things you could do and/or find out if you did ?

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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zonabi wrote:

hey lyra do u think it might be some kind of programming that prevents you from wanting to astral travel, maybe because of the potential things you could do and/or find out if you did ?

Could be.  But I doubt it.  Only because I can see all the reasons why my reluctance is valid and justified. I've given the matter a lot of thought, and what I concluded is that if I couldn't find any good reasons to support my feelings then there's a good chance it's just programming, like you said.    All you have to do is read montalk's post though to see where the potential for trouble lies with astral travel.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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So does anyone here think that the astral is the 'next place' we go to after our physical bodies cease to exist?

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One more thing, this might be an interesting read for some it was for me atleast.....http://www.freewebs.com/the_founder/

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Seems majority of people who experiments sensations of being "out of the body" doesn ´t know the mechanics of how it is produced. Well, i say this after reading more than 3 trousand cases. 3000 is not a representation of the whole population, but in sites who deal with this subject people normally experiments this "AP" spontaneously, ant talks about it as if they have achieved something.


When u don ´t comprehend with what are u dealing with is when u run on risky tasks. Maybe theres no "outsiders" menaces, but your own dealing with the feelings u experiment, or things u see "there". Is about your own mental health.

I personally only one time i sensed somthing similar to going out of body. My back was electrified and certain parts of my brain also. But i remember all of that started when i conceived world in other manner outside the "me", that ´s why the "outside body" experience started, but seeming slightly similar to a dream, and not equal, im saw all that i saw today but in other person ´s life, like parallel existences. I don ´t know how to explain that, but i remember there is a way to do it that if i manage to remember it i can do that at will.

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The thing i just explained makes some sense with those things the channeling of Barbara Marciniak tells about multidimensionality.

What could be the error in all our experience?: maybe consider "our", and "only". Maybe centering in "this life", and "linear born death".


Maybe, at all, seek a predetermined way, by others. But people cease by will to comprehend his awful freedom. Awful, because they feel orphan. That ´s the need of a god. But i realize god is an entity equal to us in an universe in wich every part is same than the whole, and interconnected, or that apperas to be, for now...... it ´s good to think that for me, and open thought.

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2+2=5 is a mathematical certainty in universe mechanics.

13 (edited by Atlantis 2005-05-02 17:23:24)

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I have to agree with Lyra and Montalk, astral travelling is like driving a Porsche 911 without brakes, and this is a soft statement.

Some points to mention ..

lyra wrote:

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I imagine that it's what electroshock therapy does to people, or extreme doses of psych drugs.

Absolutely ! electro-shocks and psycho drugs cause damages to the protective aura shields and the natural astral body of people.

Astral games have NOTHING to do with spiritual developments.

further ..

The astral world (connected to the Earth spheres) is almost a complete occupied world ruled by the satanic forces, artificial electromagnetic intelligences with bad intentions, the fallen lower angels of the Kabbalah and Atlantean Black Magic etc, which nowadays obey their masters: the Jesuits and their Illuminati connections.

The only way to control your own natural astral body, fields and metaphysical connections is psychic self-protection and regaining total free will with pure angelic help.

If you're experiencing an OBE in the area of a lot of electromagnetic devices, be very careful and protect yourself.

TV, PC/video games, many popular rock songs, mobile phones, industrial electronics do transmit many sublimal signals and psycho-negative electromagnetic energies which do help and amplify the "astral invaders" in your natural auric fields.

Especially women must be very aware of OBEs.
The overwhelming sexual sublimals in society nowadays with a lot of uncontrolled sex experiences can be very dangerous for them in the confronting with astral sexual vampires and aggressive male figures to the risk of being possessed.

and I can write much more about this .... what I do not at this moment.

Atlantean Magic: safe, simple and enjoying a good lifetime.

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write more! i like reading your stuff!

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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Atlantis, the thing u DON ´T know is that u are SPONSORING that astral attack with your energetic message. In thay astral terrain, thought is the weapon. So i ask u to reconsider ur suggestion.