Topic: Language of the subconscious. . .

They say nature is a chaotic kind.
Where as order is the dream of mankind
Then why do the dreams we have at night
Seem random, yet de-fragment and organize?
Comes to show the conscious and subconscious mind
Are anything but parallel lines.
A language of subconscious, quite different then English.
Without words, speaking in images.
All is to fear when the thoughts that arn't shown
are the very ones that you own.
It is human nature to fear the unknown,
So lets neglect the idea sub-mind chooses your prone.
And reside the skepticism of being alone.


How how i would love to learn the language of the subconsciouse mind. Imagine if you knew it what you would be able to do! Your constantly giving yourself subliminal messages, why not  actualy know what kind of subliminal messages you are telling yourself.

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Re: Language of the subconscious. . .

How can we live in the ocean of the unconsciousness and still retain awareness?

Re: Language of the subconscious. . .

apart of ourselves live in that ocean. We are made up of awareness and the submind.

Re: Language of the subconscious. . .

PensiveMist wrote:

It is human nature to fear the unknown...

Here are my two bits...

IS it the nature of humans to fear the unknown?  Or is that fear a habit, a conditioning?  I would say fear is a likely result of the narrowing of one's consciousness.  For example, as a kid, and still today, if I walk or jog with a hooded sweatshirt there seems to be an underlying nervousness at the loss of peripheral vision.  I may be in an open field, with no chance of being surprised by anything unknown, but I often still react with low-level fear to a loss of vision.

So, is a loss of vision a part of our nature?  I would answer it is a condition of embodiment.  But, like me with the hooded sweatshirt, we can choose to let go of the fear in spite of not being able to see everything.  It is something I am struggling with now (...faith).   

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wandering1 wrote:

How can we live in the ocean of the unconsciousness and still retain awareness?

Maybe the term "un-consciousness" is only a convenience of language.  Perhaps what we think of as unconscious is what has not been selected or focused through the "self part" of consciousness. 

In meditating, the way I "stay conscious," instead of allowing myself to be pulled into the myriad thoughts and feelings and daydreams is by setting the intention to "step back" and view the thought instead of being in it.  And yet, it's still possible to explore thoughts and dreams and still be "in them."  In dreams, for example, I've often followed my dream repeating to myself "This is a dream, this is dream, I'm dreaming..."  That way I can navigate the subconscious without getting sucked into it and without losing the thread of awareness.

I'm reminded right now of myths and fairytales...In the legend of Theseus, he traversed the labrynth by laying down Ariadne's thread to keep his way.  Hansel and Gretel left breadcumbs on the forest floor, right?  One could interpret the labrynths and forests as the subconscious (and many have before me). 

What is needed to live in the ocean of unconsciousness and still retain awareness?

Ariadne's Thread.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

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Re: Language of the subconscious. . .

But the fear of the unknown is like a trigger to protect ourselves from unknown menaces. Like a lot of animals have it.

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Michael Topper made a good point about two types meditation, one that pulls the consciousness down into the subconscious, and another that pulls the subconscious 'upward' into consciousness. The first he said was wrong and only served to lower awareness and focus, and was the type taught in mainstream books and schools. The second he said was the key to higher awareness, which basically involved keeping the conscious mind intact but allowing it ever greater access to the subconscious.

The barrier between conscious and subconscious reminds me of the sound barrier. When you go through it, your plane suffers a momentary period or extreme turbulence. Somehow, the undisciplined consciousness fails to survive this transition intact. And so we enter our subconscious dreamscape forgetting we just went to sleep, and then we wake up having forgotten most of what happened while asleep. That is, unless the conscious mind becomes stronger and more integrated with the subconscious, then there is less disintegration when crossing the barrier.

I'm reminded of an analogy concerning water droplets and the ocean. A drop of water loses form when it falls into the ocean. It may go in and come out as a drop of water, but not the same drop.  On the other hand, ever see smoke rings? They can travel pretty far without disintegrating. A smoke-ring like vortex of water will retain its form even when traveling through the ocean.

So the process of strengthening and integrating your mind, basically what esoteric training is about with forming the magnetic center, would be like forming your mind into a vortex rather than a weak little drop. Actually, according to the esoteric stuff,  you're creating an uplink between yourself and your Higher Self during the day, and this uplink is like an air tube between boat and diver, or like Ariadne's Thread as dreamosis mentioned, keeping you intact when diving into the subconscious. The mind can retain its form when entering the ocean of unconsciousness when it has the proper self-sustaining form (like the smoke ring). At least that's how I understand it at the moment.

As for fear, I was just reading about this in the Cosmic Awareness material twenty minutes ago. Explained it pretty well, basically that fear is useful as a survival mechanism as long as it deals with an immediate threat and heightens the success of your actions in dealing with it. For example, it quickens your reflexes, lengthens your stamina, ang heightens your strength so that you can escape or confront physical threats more effectively.  But fear becomes a problem when it is persistent, then it really does no good. It can make you overreact, scatter your energies upon an array of imagined threats, and keep you from gaining the necessary awareness to find out if there's anything that needs to be dealt with. On a metaphysical level, while awareness repels danger fear actually attracts it, and not having or applying awareness but being fearful is a recipe for attracting all sorts of predation and misfortune.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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The fear of the unknown, like seeing ghosts or aliens, is the most persistent those times i think, and i also feel it. But since i read material who put aliens and ghosts agains us. Was i mincontrolled then, by what the other people told about those things?, i think a very yes. Because in my life was an before, and an after: since i realized i was self-dependent and self-authoritized.