Topic: Were the Clash full of s---?

The Clash have had a big impact musically on many including a member of U2 who called them the 2nd most important band in rock after the stones. I don't agree. Clash ahead of the Beatles? the Who? c'mon.

They did play places like Egypt that nobody had played before which was cool. Zeppelin was the 1st band to entertain the idea of doing a real world tour. They tried to play Thailand, but the police wouldn't let them off the plane cause they had long hair.

When the Clash played the US festival in 83 in so Cal, they said some stupid things like; Why don'e Van halen take some of the money they made & bus in the poor people what can't afford to see the show. The show was 12.50$ anybody could afford it. besides they got paid 500.000$ to play, why didn't "they" bus in the poor people if it meant so much to them. I think the fact that 290.000 people came out to see what Joe Strummer called,( the hamburger bands ), heavy metal bands, & only 140.000 people came out for "new music" day rubbed him the wrong way.

I read an interview with one of the clash yrs ago. the interviewer said well, you've got 5 gold-platinum records, by now you've got a bit of money? haven't you? he said, well I usually have 20$ in my pocket if I want to buy a set of trousers. What BS I thought.

I do like the odd Clash song, rock the casbah, London calling, but they started out as a Ramones copy band, not real original, then they changed & developed their own identity & style. 2nd most relevant band in rock? gimme a break.

P.S. I hope I didn't put this is wrong place.

Re: Were the Clash full of s---?

Actually you've touched on something that bugs me too....the media telling us who we're supposed to worship.   Overall I think this topic is superficial (sorry....!)   but again, it's a good point.   The media uses repetitive reinforcement coupled with strong, emotive, dramatic language to hammer a belief / perspective / idea into our heads.    They tell the public something over and over and over again using dramatic intense verbiage and key words designed to dredge up an emotional response and BOOM, they've programmed us to believe whatever they want us to believe.  (well.........some of us, not all!  wink  )


I'm so over it.   And it ties back into what I was describing about CNN over in my "Pope" thread, in current events.   Same s***, different medium.    So yes, "gimme a break" is about what it is.   Not only about The Clash, but just about EVERYTHING.    You see this every month on the cover of every entertainment / music / movie magazine that lines the shelves of your local newstand.   Which celebrities we're supposed to admire....even though they're not nice people and totally suck and have no talent.   Which music we're supposed to love........even though it could hardly be classified as music.    Who's in, who's out, what's hot, what's not, who's the "Best", who's the "Worst."    They accost us at every turn with who / what we're supposed to be worshipping. 

I honestly wonder...........when people really supposedly "like" some band or music or movie or celebrity / actress / actor.......do they really?   Or are they just programmed to believe that they like it?   Could they even explain why they like something when pressed?    I have my doubts, that's all I can say.

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3 (edited by Lakme 2005-04-03 17:16:35)

Re: Were the Clash full of s---?

voggmo wrote:

The Clash have had a big impact musically on many including a member of U2 who called them the 2nd most important band in rock after the stones. I don't agree. Clash ahead of the Beatles? the Who? c'mon.

You do realize that the Beatles were 'invented'/pushed on the world stage by England's illuminati-controlled Tavistock Institute (center of mind-control psy ops), right?...along with the Rolling Stones, etc.

They control the music industry, (along with film and television), and therefore dictate what is played on radio stations, shown on MTV, and generally publicized in the mainstream press.  In other words, they set musical tastes.

So, from Sinatra, to Elvis, the Beatles, the Who, the Clash, Madonna, Britney (yikes), and to the soul-killing satanic urban "rap" heard on every street corner, and all the rest, they are very much calling the shots -- musically and otherwise.

Re: Were the Clash full of s---?

lyra wrote:

I honestly wonder...........when people really supposedly "like" some band or music or movie or celebrity / actress / actor.......do they really?   Or are they just programmed to believe that they like it?   Could they even explain why they like something when pressed?    I have my doubts, that's all I can say.

On MTV and on Clear Channel radio stations they repeat a handful of songs over and over all day. This music is drilled into the heads of the people through repetition. I think it's really only familiarity that causes people to think they enjoy these pop songs. Most people don't take a very active role in finding music, except for maybe downloading mp3s of bands MTV/Clear Channel has already introduced them to. So they're perpetually soaking in a tepid pool of mediocre, overproduced, soulless, commercialized pop music. But it's nice and safe. It's reassuring. You can talk about the latest MTV darlings with just about anybody, and unless they've been living under a rock they'll recognize who you're talking about.

The same thing probably goes for celebrities. I remember reading an article about a study where people were shown pictures of other people's faces and asked to assign each face a "trustworthiness" factor based only on the picture. The test subject would go through many faces, and when the scientists would slip in a duplicate, it would always get a higher score the second time around. This is because people are more comfortable with that which is familiar. The constant repetition of celebrity faces on magazines, TV shows, newspapers, and movies causes us to identify with the celebrities and have affection for them. I think it's a subversion of the natural instinct that causes  a person to bond with family members whose faces he or she has seen repeatedly since birth. I mean, the words "family" and "familiar" aren't that far apart.

Lakme wrote:
voggmo wrote:

The Clash have had a big impact musically on many including a member of U2 who called them the 2nd most important band in rock after the stones. I don't agree. Clash ahead of the Beatles? the Who? c'mon.

You do realize that the Beatles were 'invented'/pushed on the world stage by England's illuminati-controlled Tavistock Institute (center of mind-control psy ops), right?...along with the Rolling Stones, etc.

I never resonated with the Beatles, and I don't trust music that traces its lineage back to them. All my life that Beatles stuff seemed like music for other people, not me. Their talk of love and togetherness seemed so shallow. On a purely intuitional level, the sense I get from their music is one of ignorance and immaturity masquerading as wisdom and experience. Actors in a play, knowing they're lost, but also knowing the audience is watching and waiting. Trying to say or do something meaningful and good, but only out of fear of saying or doing something destructive. Completely out of their element. Above all, never biting the hand that feeds them. Just some impressions I get from looking at pictures of them and hearing some of their music.

I don't know much about the Clash. Looking at the Wikipedia entry shows that their first gig was supporting the Sex Pistols. The Sex Pistols were a boy band assembled by a businessman. Both bands were very political and anti-aristocracy, apparently. Maybe they were used to control the political outlook of the young and rebellious, to make sure they all rebelled in a safe and prescribed way?

--Justin

Re: Were the Clash full of s---?

Today's music is pure garbage (didn't I write this before), it's so obvious.

Also MTV began to give some interesting sub-liminal messages, some teasers include different animated creatures near people who eat, walk, listen to music etc. People do not seem to see and be aware of them. These creatures try to reach or touch to people. I think other densities really began to show bigger interest in us and began to penetrate. See MTV teasers for this!

As for the music; progressive/symphonic rock between 67-77 is the best music ever made on this planet (didn't I write this before too smile )

Change we must, to live again
- Jon Anderson

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Tavistock institute eh? Interesting.  no need to apologize for calling thread supreficial. it kinda is compared to others. Check out my dorkiest car of the 70's  thread in humor section for supreficial. I do believe humor is very undervalued.

Nothing wrong with politics in music. It was a big part of 60's antiwar effort. But to base a groups credibility or greatness on its political bent & activity is a bit out of place to me. Nugent is very political, but you don't hear the same sentiment about him. his credibility is his musical ability, love him or hate him, he "can" play.

It wasn't only the Clash that had attitude, ( f--- all these big bands mentality ), Billy Idol called john Bonham a name once. He became a commercial sellout. He sang on Tony Iommi's solo album, ( Iommi is from Sabbath, one of those "big bands" ). Chrissy Hynde also siad f--- all these big bands which was silly, she was selling millions of records at the time & was a "big" band as well. She wanted to be cool I suppose.

Never eally understood that attitude. Ironic how kids today are listening to Zeppelin & Doors & Floyd. Big bands of the 70's.