1 (edited by phlux 2004-05-06 21:18:35)

Topic: Moore using Disney claim just for publicity?

Moore used the Disney thing as a publicity stunt:

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Less than 24 hours after accusing the Walt Disney Company of pulling the plug on his latest documentary in a blatant attempt at political censorship, the rabble-rousing film-maker Michael Moore has admitted he knew a year ago that Disney had no intention of distributing it.

The admission, during an interview with CNN, undermined Moore's claim that Disney was trying to sabotage the US release of Fahrenheit 911 just days before its world premiere at the Cannes film festival

I am sure its still an interesting film, as he does do a good job telling his stories - but what does this do to his overall position and credibility?

"It's hard to advance freedom in a country that has been strangled by tyranny." - G.W. Bush 04/13/2004

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Interesting way the media always phrases things.  "the admission..."

The articles I've read have said Moore knew a year ago but Miramax, said...continue.  We'll try to work it out with Disney...so he continued.

I'm sure he knew that Disney wouldn't distribute the film and knew it was a pipe dream that Miramax would sort things out so, smart move on his part to make a big deal of it. 

If they keep spelling his name right - I'm sure he agrees, any publicity is a good thing.

As for his credibility?  As was already mentioned, he misses the big picture - but still, even a small part of the picture is better than nothing.

Christine B

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An article I came across on Rense:

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http://www.rense.com/general52/mooremax.htm

Mooreamax
By Lee
5-6-4

So, I'm away from a computer for a couple of days and the whole world falls apart. By now you have undoubtedly heard that Disney has refused to distribute Michael Moore's upcoming craptastic lie-fest Fahrenheit 911.
 
Disney executives indicated that they would not budge from their position forbidding Miramax to be the distributor of the film in North America. Overseas rights have been sold to a number of companies, executives said.
 
"We advised both the agent and Miramax in May of 2003 that the film would not be distributed by Miramax," said Zenia Mucha, a company spokeswoman, referring to Mr. Moore's agent. "That decision stands."
 
Okay, according to this Disney has been saying for a year that they would not permit Miramax to distribute this film. So this is coming as a big surprise now, right before the premiere of the film at Cannes? I don't buy this for a second. Harvey Weinstein is a smart guy, and he's a very active Democrat Party hack. I think he knew all along that there was no way that Disney would go for this, but he stuck with it because there was no downside to it. Back in February I wrote a post about the SuperBowl MoveOn commercial controversy, an incident which perfectly exemplifies the dynamic we see working here with Miramax.
 
Here's how it breaks down. MoveOn holds their commercial contest, which in and of itself generates a lot of publicity. Then they pick a winner, and attempt to buy advertising time during the Superbowl. This, for them, is a no-lose proposition. If CBS sells them the airtime then they get to show their commercial to a massive audience. If, as expected, CBS declines to air it, then MoveOn gets to spin it into a propaganda victory. . . . If your political enemies wish to silence you, that gives you a certain level of credibility that you might not have had before. So, by propagating the myth that people who disagree with the Bush administration are being "silenced" it is essentially saying, "Hey, our message is so right on that they have to resort to silencing us! What is it that they don't want you to hear?"
 
See my point? Weinstein has the opportunity to distribute Moore's film. Not only is he a friend of Moore and a fellow traveller, but Moore's films make quite a bit of money for very little cost.
 
Weinstein signs up to distribute Moore's film, knowing full well that Disney will most likely never go for it, a premise which eventually proves correct. If Miramax had persuaded Disney to permit the deal then Moore and Miramax would have had a solid distribution pipeline, which would have guaranteed that the film open on thousands of screens. With Disney pulling out both Moore and Weinstein have scored a massive propaganda victory and gotten millions of dollars of free publicity right before the film's debut at Cannes. "Come and see the film that the Bush administration and their corporate lapdogs at Disney don't want you to see!" And if you think I'm wrong about the spin and propaganda surrounding this incident, take a look at Mike's website.
 
Yesterday, I was told that Disney, the studio that owns Miramax, has officially decided to prohibit our producer, Miramax, from distributing my new film, "Fahrenheit 9/11." The reason? According to today's (May 5) New York Times, it might "endanger" millions of dollars of tax breaks Disney receives from the state of Florida because the film will "anger" the Governor of Florida, Jeb Bush.
 
Here's a typical Michael Moore blatant lie. Nowhere in the quoted times article does the word "anger" appear, yet he places it in quotes, thus making it appear that not wanting to anger Jeb Bush was the reason for Disney's actions. For the record, here is the actual Times quote.
 
Mr. Moore's agent, Ari Emanuel, said Michael D. Eisner, Disney's chief executive, asked him last spring to pull out of the deal with Miramax. Mr. Emanuel said Mr. Eisner expressed particular concern that it would endanger tax breaks Disney receives for its theme park, hotels and other ventures in Florida, where Mr. Bush's brother, Jeb, is governor.
 
"Michael Eisner asked me not to sell this movie to Harvey Weinstein; that doesn't mean I listened to him," Mr. Emanuel said. "He definitely indicated there were tax incentives he was getting for the Disney corporation and that's why he didn't want me to sell it to Miramax. He didn't want a Disney company involved."
 
Disney executives deny that accusation, though they said their displeasure over the deal was made clear to Miramax and Mr. Emanuel.
 
Now, let's assume that the Florida tax breaks were the reason that Disney chose not to distribute Moore's film. So what? That's a standard business decision. "Moore's film cost $4 million to produce, and has projected revenues of $30 million. However, by distributing it we stand to lose $1 billion in Florida tax breaks, so it doesn't make good business sense for us to do so."
 
Where is the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy? That releasing a monumental lie-fest right before a presidential election might not endear you to a conservative state where the president's brother happens to be governor? Wow, that's some Machiavellian scheming that's been uncovered! Moore continues with his propaganda:
 
For nearly a year, this struggle has been a lesson in just how difficult it is in this country to create a piece of art that might upset those in charge (well, OK, sorry -- it WILL upset them...big time. Did I mention it's a comedy?)
A piece of art that might upset those in charge? Does he actually expect people to believe this crap? (Well, yes.) And it's a comedy? Methinks that Mikey is falling back on his "How can there be inaccuracy in comedy?" line again. Let's take a look at the description of this "comedy."
 
Mr. Moore said the film describes financial connections between the Bush family and its associates and prominent Saudi Arabian families that go back three decades. He said it closely explores the government's role in the evacuation of relatives of Mr. bin Laden from the United States immediately after the 2001 attacks. The film includes comments from American soldiers on the ground in Iraq expressing disillusionment with the war, he said.
 
Wow, doesn't that sound gut-bustingly funny! I just can't see how this calm, satirical, comedic little art film could cause so much brouhaha.
 
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Hi Phlux and Lyra,

I'm not exactly sure if I understand your point.  Is it to show that Moore has manipulated Disney into giving him a huge publicity stunt?  Is it to show that Moore is inaccurate?  Is it to show that "Lee" author of the rense piece, doesn't buy the publicity stunt?

I think what we can all agree on is the media doesn't ever present the right picture...and by media I am including even the rense site, as "controversial" and "out there" as it is. 

What "sells" in media including the rense and others of that ilk is controversy.  Plain and simple.

If something were done that was almost "perfect" someone would find some controversy to explore.

More fodder, more food. 

Rather than assume what you wanted to show with the rense site, could you let me know Lyra as you didn't include any of your own comments.  And what I felt was, I was being "shown" what a bimbo I am.

BUT, I might be overly sensitive - I quit smoking on Monday after 42 years at a pack a day...(I started when I was three - just kidding on the three part).  As an aside, it's going pretty well...no dead bodies buried in the yard and only one neighbors mother-in-law fried by a withdrawing double Scorpio.

5 (edited by lyra 2004-05-07 08:51:07)

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Christine B. wrote:

 
Rather than assume what you wanted to show with the rense site, could you let me know Lyra as you didn't include any of your own comments.  And what I felt was, I was being "shown" what a bimbo I am.


WHAT in the.............?     I posted the article in response to phlux.   He started this thread............I contributed something he may find of interest, supporting his view.     "shown what a bimbo you are".......?  Holy COW..........I hadn't even read your post!!   I just saw that phlux had started this thread, and coincidentally, I had JUST read the article on Moore and Miramax over on Rense, and so quickly posted it so he could see.   Holy cow.  Wow.   I guess I could take your critique of Rense personally, but that would be ridiculous. 

Man, I'm still shaking my head.........

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6 (edited by Christine B. 2004-05-07 09:26:31)

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Hi Lyra,

Sorry.  I assumed you read the posts in order.  Silly me.

No need to have a "HOLY COW"...I gave a cavaet about being overly sensitive since I just quit smoking.

Anyway, thanks for clearing it up.  Sometimes I tend to be overly sensitive even when I haven't quit smoking, so I thought I'd ask.

And I like the rense site BTW, just that it too is "the media"...just not as mainstream.  Notice it too, sells advertising.

Anyway, as I said, I certainly didn't intend for you to come away from my post shaking your head.
I assumed you had read my post.  Those assumptions will get me yet.

Christine B.

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Usually I do read all posts in order before posting, especially in small threads that haven't accumulated too many.   But this time I didn't, I just posted the article in response to phlux's opening post.

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FWIW - I support Moore’s criticism of the Bush Administration probably more than Moore himself. I am extremely against the path which the past 10 administrations have taken this world down, not just this nation - but do not confuse that with extremism!

Personally I didn’t have any opinion per se on the article - I just thought it was interesting the spin on it that the article placed. I saw Michael Moore on [some news show] and he stated that he could easily promote the film himself from the back of a van as he drove it across the street, but there was enough interest in the film that he wouldn’t have to do that.

What I really think is going on here, and I applaud Moore for this, is:

Moore knew that his film was critical of Bush, 9-11, and our current corrupt reality. He was told that Disney would not allow it to be distributed by Miramax. Now, he was either told that this film would not be distributed because of the negative spin and the fall-out it may have for Disney, politically, in a state run by Jeb Bush - the president's brother - or he was smart enough to see that this was the case.

Next, he used this to his advantage - this is a very interesting case from the perspective of exposing the tyranny that The United States of America is currently under.

Moore is brilliantly showing that it is pure political-corporate ties, interests and quid pro quo elitism that is keeping his film from being distributed. He is exposing the fact that Disney fears the revenge reaction of the Administration through Jeb Bush to punish the bad publicity voiced through this work.

It proves, in my eyes, even further, the corruption and stranglehold that the Bush-Big-Oil regime has on the color of reality.

Remember not to take any of the information posted here and other boards personally - this is not about you, the individual personality - its about you, the individual Human - and every other individual Human on the planet.

We are currently at a Level Zero Civilization, it is imperative that we rise above this - and take back the divine gifts of Self that we embody. It is time for the unveiling of the limitless consciousness that we can tap into.

"It's hard to advance freedom in a country that has been strangled by tyranny." - G.W. Bush 04/13/2004

9 (edited by lyra 2004-05-07 15:02:43)

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Hi phlux.

I just had a debate of sorts over on the other board regarding this whole Michael Moore thing.  Funny you mentioned that whole not taking things personally idea, because the guy I was debating with who absolutely loves Michael Moore seemed to take my criticism of Moore personally, like my problems with Michael Moore was a reflection of him as well, since he started the pro-Michael thread.  This was totallly not the case.   But now I'm all Michael Moored out after that!  smile

Politics is never an easy subject to discuss with people.  But the one thing I do agree with Moore about is his dislike of the Bush regime.  The problem is, and I mentioned this over on the other board, is that Michael Moore doesn't seem to realize that ALL government is corrupt and whacked.   Dems, Repubs, it's all the same, they're two sides of the same coin!   Moore is busy promoting Dems or libertarians like Wesley Clark, etc. like they are our saviors or something, while failing to realize that in the end, the President is just a puppet, a figurehead.  Democrat, Republican, it doesn't matter WHO he is.  He doesn't make the decisions, he's not controlling things.  And if he were to even so much as try to change the way things are, the way JFK did, he'll be assasinated, the way JFK was.  Buh bye.   Next.

In some David Icke book he mentioned that the Powers That Be want to get everybody squabbling over two choices they present to you.  Democrat or Republican, get everybody all worked up and then let 'em loose on each other.   Meanwhile, we'll all be so busy fighting we won't notice other things happening over on the sidelines.  This is very true.   To paraphase what he wrote, he said they don't care WHAT we're fighting about amongst ourselves, just as long as we're fighting.   Fighting means we're divided.  Division means "they" have the upper hand.

At any rate, I'm sure Fahrenheit 911 will be interesting.  I had major problems with Bowling For Columbine, as I mentioned on the other board, but, I'll give Fahrenheit a try, out of curiousity. 

Also was curious if you could elaborate on the idea of Zero Civilization?  What that means, etc.   Sounded interesting.

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