16 Reply by Alushe

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Re: Tools for healing

Thanks Kato3,

To borrow from the BWGen help file:

"If external stimulus is applied to the brain, it becomes possible to entrain the brain frequency from one brain state to another. For example, if a person is in the beta state (highly alert) and a stimulus of 10Hz is applied to his/her brain for some time, the brain frequency is likely to change towards the applied stimulus. The effect will be relaxing to the person. This phenomenon is also called frequency following response.
When the brain's state is close to the applied stimulus, entrainment works more efficiently. Thus, when doing a sweep from one frequency to another, the starting frequency should be as close to the current brain state as possible. The sweep speed should be such that the brain's state changes steadily with it, so that the difference never gets very large. In practice, it is difficult to determine the brain state without complex EEG measurement equipment. However, you can quite safely assume that during the day your brain is in the beta state (about 20Hz) and you can start a frequency sweep from there. If you are already somewhat relaxed, you can use a start frequency of 15Hz or a few Hz lower.

Stimulating the brain

The easiest way of applying stimulus to the brain is via ears and eyes. Since humans cannot hear sounds low enough to be useful for brain stimulation, special techniques must be used. One such special technique used is called binaural beats.
If the left ear is presented with a steady tone of 495Hz and the right ear a steady tone of 505Hz, these two tones combine in the brain. The difference, 10Hz, is perceived by the brain and is a very effective stimulus for brainwave entrainment. This 10Hz is formed entirely by the brain. When using stereo headphones, the left and right sounds do not mix together until in your brain. The frequency difference, when perceived by brain this way, is called a binaural beat.

To get a stimulus of 10Hz, you may use tones of 495Hz and 505Hz, or 400Hz and 410Hz, or 862Hz and 872Hz, or so on. The only requirements are that the tone is heard well enough and that it is below about 1000Hz. Below 1000Hz, the wavelength of the sound is sufficiently small so that the sound waves curve around the skull."

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Christine B. wrote:

I've thought of this myself and decided that I simply don't have 20 years to work on meditation ... nor do I have the money to attend various meditative retreats ... however, I believe that meditation is a very integral part of my spiritual pursuits and yet I've never really done it.  So - yes, it's easier/a shortcut perhaps/but something I'm aware of.

You don't need 20 years of meditation either. That's the thing -- they tell you "you need 20 years of meditation to free yourself!" and then through another part of their tentacle they show you an "easier" way. Problem - reaction - solution. Look for the third choice. And, yes, I personally think using this kind of CD is no better than psychedelics. You don't need any of these occult technologies. No tools. Nothing. Just you, your life, and the other souls you will meet. And it won't be boring as long as you have the fire inside. Why is it so complicated to understand? Why always rush from one tool to another?

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Ermolai ... valid points to be sure.  I appreciate your perspective.  Thanks.

Christine

19 Reply by lyra (edited by lyra 2005-03-04 15:04:04)

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ermolai wrote:

You don't need 20 years of meditation either. That's the thing -- they tell you "you need 20 years of meditation to free yourself!" and then through another part of their tentacle they show you an "easier" way. Problem - reaction - solution. Look for the third choice. And, yes, I personally think using this kind of CD is no better than psychedelics. You don't need any of these occult technologies. No tools. Nothing. Just you, your life, and the other souls you will meet. And it won't be boring as long as you have the fire inside. Why is it so complicated to understand? Why always rush from one tool to another?

Amen to that.   I don't believe in self help as some ongoing, years long hobby.  (same goes for therapy, and those who are perpetually in therapy for years on end...)  Feel like changing yourself?   Then just do it!   Don't talk about it, don't be treading water for years on end with various occult techniques and therapy and self help groups and meetings and lots of talk talk talk about it....just do it!    Just change, flip, switch!   smile   Stop being the old you and just start being the new you.  Sounds ludicrous to some people I'm sure, but that's because we've all become conditioned that we need to "work" on things, for a long long time.    I don't think this needs to be the case.   It may take some time to undo old habits, but like ermolai said, as long as you have the fire inside, which equates to having the drive to change, then it shouldn't be too hard, nor a lengthy (and costly) process.    Stuart Wilde talks about getting to a point where you're just tired of being you, tired of succombing to the ego, every day.   If you can get to the point where you're just tired of being you with all of its manufactured, tacked on "issues" and you have the fire / desire / will to change, then you can do it, and it shouldn't take years, and it shouldn't take fancy techniques and tools and stuff that costs money.  !   Just my 2 cents though...

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20 Reply by Haven (edited by Haven 2005-03-05 09:32:26)

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lyra wrote:
ermolai wrote:

You don't need 20 years of meditation either. That's the thing -- they tell you "you need 20 years of meditation to free yourself!" and then through another part of their tentacle they show you an "easier" way. Problem - reaction - solution. Look for the third choice. And, yes, I personally think using this kind of CD is no better than psychedelics. You don't need any of these occult technologies. No tools. Nothing. Just you, your life, and the other souls you will meet. And it won't be boring as long as you have the fire inside. Why is it so complicated to understand? Why always rush from one tool to another?

Amen to that.   I don't believe in self help as some ongoing, years long hobby.  (same goes for therapy, and those who are perpetually in therapy for years on end...)  Feel like changing yourself?   Then just do it!   Don't talk about it, don't be treading water for years on end with various occult techniques and therapy and self help groups and meetings and lots of talk talk talk about it....just do it!    Just change, flip, switch!   smile   Stop being the old you and just start being the new you.  Sounds ludicrous to some people I'm sure, but that's because we've all become conditioned that we need to "work" on things, for a long long time.    I don't think this needs to be the case.   It may take some time to undo old habits, but like ermolai said, as long as you have the fire inside, which equates to having the drive to change, then it shouldn't be too hard, nor a lengthy (and costly) process.    Stuart Wilde talks about getting to a point where you're just tired of being you, tired of succombing to the ego, every day.   If you can get to the point where you're just tired of being you with all of its manufactured, tacked on "issues" and you have the fire / desire / will to change, then you can do it, and it shouldn't take years, and it shouldn't take fancy techniques and tools and stuff that costs money.  !   Just my 2 cents though...

Although the movie "What the Bleep Do We Know" talks about slowly making ourselves new neural pathways.  I tend to think along those lines, too.  I think the physical is an adequate representation of spiritual truth, and reliably demonstrates those truths if we look at it in the proper way. 

The only really noticeably big step is the "massive brain change" that Robert Anton Wilson talks about, where your views are flipped opposite of your previous perception.  A manufactured event, such as practiced by mystery religions and even groups like the Freemasons, rely on a form of brainwashing, reprogramming the brain through trauma, most popularly the simulation of death and resurrection.  Breaks the old pattern and lays a new pattern down.  Think of NDEs or divine experiences.  Takes you out of your tunnel and throws you, floundering, into a wider reality.  Once your information in-flow is widened, you start taking in previously overlooked information and incorporating it into whatever sense of purpose you perceived when your ego was overwhelmed.

Also, the Dark Night of the Soul is along those same principles, but in a much more agonizing, and, I think, much more reliable, method of changing the fundamental program of who you "are", or, more accurately, what you identify with, on this 3D level.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

21 Reply by Auendove (edited by Auendove 2005-03-05 09:01:20)

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Kato3,

Boy-oh-boy but I did identify with so much of what you've written above. Especially this--

I have steadily made the choice to release all that did not serve expansion of my heart and being. In essence I have done the inner work for as long as I can remember. It has never consciously occurred to me to take a short cut. I just set my intentions, have my experiences and always question. Learn. Be as present as I can.

EXACTLY! Intentions can be the best of tools, and they can be the worst of tools, kind of like one creating their own "they were the best of times, they were the worst of times".  And I always, always question and test too. Sometimes I wonder if I test too hard.

The following words are how I've come to understand intentions and their value, and I do value them as tools far greater than anything that has had it's form converted or conrived/manufactured outside of my being--

I think our intentions are like the true essence of  human "magic", not white or black "presto-chango" types of magic, not wish-craft, but the magic of energetic potential spirited through the heart center wherefrom one realizes one's/One's heart's desire.

It is sometimes said that when a life event that we've only dreamed of comes to pass that this happens "like magic", that everything feels surreal. 

Really though, what we are feeling is the essence of our intentions have come full circle into manifestation right before our very eyes. We're feeling our intentions stretching the fabric of reality to fit our desire for self-realization and growth, and because they are well-sourced intentions reality doesn't "snap back" (ouch!), rather it conforms.

And, Snicker! Snort!, it's this type of natural human magic that gives the ole MCS a run for its integrity where "quality control" is concerned.  When it comes to intentions, the old saying of "garbage in garbage out" should be enough in just those four words to set one to seeking "high road" intentions.

Sigh... I enjoyed your post Leslie wink .

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

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Auendove -- WOWsy dowsy.  You are on a roll!  Poetic and profound.  Thank you.

Christine

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Christine B. wrote:

... WOWsy dowsy. ...

I see you're a poetessa too wink

Now, say that relly fast 10 times.... poetessa too, poetessa too, etc. .... LOL!

big_smile

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

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Kato3 wrote:

Going to be with my favorite great trees today, will allow this open hearted glee to grow there.

Oh! Yipee! I just love-love the trees too!

Snicker! Snort! LOL! Trees.... now there's a healing modality I can actually get myself wrapped around!

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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

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25 Reply by Christine B. (edited by Christine B. 2005-03-31 11:35:13)

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I ordered Bill Harris' book "Thesholds of the Mind" from Amazon.  He's the one who put together the Holosync program, mentioned in this thread.  Fantastic book so far and really explains why (in his opinion and through testimontials of others) his program works plus lots of scientific explanations ...

I highly recommend getting the book to see if this program might be something you are interested in.

I'll gladly burn the first  CD for you, if you send me privately your address.  There are several CDs that make up the whole program.

A friend sent the first one to me and I'll be happy to send the first one to whomever.  I'll be buying the full set soon but the first CD program will last for at least 3 months.

Christine B.

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This thread is so old that I tried emailing a couple of people here that used and liked the Holosync to ask if they were still using it and how they felt about it now.

I didn't hear back from anyone so I hope they read this post and will respond here. 

I am still interested in how it effected over the long run, if at all.

Thanks

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I've been using Holosync for some 7 months now but I'm still on Awakening Prologue. They recommend using it for 3 months or so or until you don't fall asleep too easily when listening then to start the next level.  I might buy the next level soon but I don't really use it that regularly. For now I just enjoy putting it on for an hour and having a deliberate and refreshing 'power nap'!

I think the Holosync program could be very powerful if listened to regularly and has had some good results for some but the full program could take up to 9 years to complete and I personally don't have the time or patience.

Try these forums for a more balanced view of what to expect from the Holosync program...

http://p072.ezboard.com/bcenterpointe

http://pat.powerfulintentions.com/forum/holosync

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That ezboard forum is great. Everthing you wanted to know about holosync and more, includes a criticism from Michael Hutchinson and reply from Bill Harris. I still use holosync and have no complaints, it is a great tool for meditation. I have experienced a lot of personal growth in the last 5yrs but I can't say how much holosync has contributed because I have tried so many different approaches. I can also vouch for Spring forest qigong and EFT.  I find Centerpointe a turn-off with their "enlightenment in a bottle" aggressive overblown marketing. Technology has its limits. Spiritual growth is an inside job.

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Thanks for your responses. I really appreciate them.