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Love Is Real wrote:

It's something I've discovered the hard way, and I did love DMT very much. I believe that people who let their inner voice take them on a psychoactive journey can only learn the right
lesson by going all way back...and it's a great lesson by itself, which is the true lesson, in my opinion, those people are bound to learn.

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Peace & Harmony to all.

Thanks for your thoughts LoveIsReal. I agree with somethings but not others.

What I take issue with is this idea of having to go all the way back, like somebody's testing us or something. You seem to be saying there's a destination to reach but if you can only reach it a certain way and if you don't do it that certain way you have to go all the way back to the beginning and start again. I don't really buy that.

I guess it comes down to this issue of what is the destination, because I don't really buy that there is a destination. This is why I have a serious issue with people who say "oh drugs are just a shortcut".

But I say "shortcut to where?"

And that's a serious question that nobody has answered yet.

Do they mean a shortcut to 4th density?

Well I've never known a user of hallucinogens to disappear out of 3d or even think that they will.

Do they mean a shortcut to enlightenment?

But what is enlightenment? I certainly don't consider myself enlightened or think that taking ayahuasca will help me to acheive such a state, whatever that state actually is.

And surely if there are many densities or levels of consciousness then there are probably many levels of enlightenment. An enlightened 3rd desnity being is probably still half a sleep compared to an enlightened 4th density being.

I really don't see a destination, so therefore I don't see a shortcut.

As I said earlier in this thread I am starting to feel that there is going to be a shift soon, that perhaps we are going to enter 4th density, or a new state of being/living whatever it actually becomes.

But even that's not a destination, just another step up in our evolution with more lessons to learn. But if the shift happens I really don't think there's going to be someone blocking my way saying "nope sorry Andy, no shift for you mate, you tried ayahuasca, you've got to go all the way back and do 3d again"

Drugs are not a destination and they are not The Truth, they are just tools to be used to help us with our evolution. There's no "you took ayahuasca, go straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200" smile

To me it's just another kind of experience and we learn from all our experiences, whether they are drug induced experiences or non drug induced experiences, I really don't think it matters a great deal.

I suppose, if pressed, I do think that non-drug experiences are ultimately far more important than drug experiences. That they are somehow a bit more 'real'. But neither do I think that drug experiences are worthless or that they are somekind of hindrance to our journey.

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What I take issue with is this idea of having to go all the way back, like somebody's testing us or something. You seem to be saying there's a destination to reach but if you can only reach it a certain way and if you don't do it that certain way you have to go all the way back to the beginning and start again. I don't really buy that.

I guess it comes down to this issue of what is the destination, because I don't really buy that there is a destination. This is why I have a serious issue with people who say "oh drugs are just a shortcut".

But I say "shortcut to where?"

To experience reality as it is.

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To experience reality as it is.

Objectively? Do you/don't you consider reality to be relative?

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Objectively? Do you/don't you consider reality to be relative?

Hi Alushe!

Objectively, reality is realitive till we get back to a cross point from where the new reality
we experience explains and has in it all the previous realities we experienced before getting
back to that cross point. And it goes on.

From my experience, the reality that is gained using psychoactive substances goes slowly
but surely "away", and not "to" the reality experienced by natural ways.

They don't cross anytime soon. I think that the reality experience advance reusing
psychoactive substances leads to what Monroe had called Focus 25 which is in short
"aberrant behavioral patterns".

I assume so, since metaphysicaly you work incorrectly, not using the emotions to learn the lessons. 

All this is valid, if your aim is to go beyond the "aberrant behavioral patterns"...

In case you don't belive/know/feel that there is indeed such a state of conciousness as
"aberrant behavioral patterns", or even a cross point when realities cross, or you don't
want to belive anything at all, you can experience both ways of lesson learning,
understand the differences, and feel in your heart what is better for you.

All is good, your soul doesn't die.

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Ayahuasca wrote:

But I say "shortcut to where?"

And that's a serious question that nobody has answered yet.

Actually, coughcough, I *did* answer this for you, but either it was accidentally overlooked, or, purposely ignored.     But I'll address this again since you mentioned it.

Paraphrasing what I wrote in my last post on this thread, when people take drugs such as Ecstacy, etc., which make them feel good, and full of love, and like they love everybody and we're all One, the fact is, they feel that way because the chemicals have made them feel that way.   In the case of Ecstacy, it causes the brain to dump all of its seratonin all at once.    So, it's one massive seratonin overload going on in the system.   They're tripping, "feelin' the love", blah blah blah, but then it wears off, and its back to the real world.   They weren't loving humanity for those few hours because of any true life lesson that was learned or gleaned about people and the nature of reality.   They were loving humanity because the chemicals caused them to love humanity.    And that is the "shortcut" Andy.

Then you take a person who, WITHOUT taking drugs, learns and figures things out about people and reality and comes to understand humanity and love people..........on their own.   And in doing so, this is an actual spiritual lesson that their soul can take with them permanently.   It will not go away after they die.

Drugs wear off, and the chemically induced feelings fade.     The feelings don't stick, because they weren't real to begin with.   Chemicals create an illusion, which in turn is the shortcut.    True life experience and "moments of realization" where one gleans understanding is what lasts forever.   

Getting to a point where one can even be neutral about humanity....let alone full of love........is very difficult, I know.    Stuart Wilde recommends shooting for at least getting to a neutral point.   And if you can take it a step further, and learn to actually feel love for even the nasty ones, then hey, great, even better!

Right now I'm shooting for neutral.   I work on it every day, and read read read stuff to put me in the right frame of mind, and then, I just went and deliberately got myself a job that puts me in the public eye, dealing with hundreds of people every day......... Just so I can work on it some more, and practice practice practice.    That's the only way to do it, as far as I'm concerned.   Because I can read about the loving humanity despite their flaws til the cows come home but if I'm not out there actually confronting it and practicing then I will never make any progress.      And I won't shortcut to understanding humanity through feel-good chemicals, where it would be a case of Talking The Talk But Not Walking the Walk.......like some people. 

Just some food for thought.

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Hi Andy,

I am giggling as I read this thread because I feel for ya. You have said it over and over again. You love the chemically induced trip and it got you in touch with the "Godforce", but people with a different view are telling you over and over again that it was induced. If it was so great, why was it not something that became an integral part of you? How come you were so unloving to ermolai who dared to differ in this thread? All credit to him for not reacting negatively to what was a nasty dig on his very being.

How come you have constantly side-tracked and ignored the key question of the natural way of reaching those heights you so love? As Lyra said, there is no avoiding the fact that you NEED the Ayahuasca to get you back to the so-called "godforce".My question is what god was that? STS is good at making chemical facscimiles of the "godforce" as you know.

If it was truly aligned to your natural biology, you would only need to take it once, but you have mentioned that you have taken it 10 times thus far, and I am sure you'll be back for more. It is like sex addicts who can never get enough because it just feels good.

I am not arguing with you; just noting that no matter how many phd/spiritually advanced scholars agree with you, it doesn't change the biological reality that you are messing with your prime chakra, and circumventing the hard work of getting a natural high. Just because it is a plant does not mean it is in tune with our biological makeup. If that is fine for you go ahead. I think those who do not agree with you are doing so out of concern for you. I am concerned for you too, but I also respect your freewill. It is just that I know of the demonic forces hanging out on the edges of this density and 4d. And like one seeing someone stepping off a cliff thinking that they are about to fall into the embrace of the creator, I feel obliged to say "hey can't you see that is a cliff ?".

I have/had a brother who went your way, and he lost his way, finding himself "accidentally" in 5d, so that perhaps also colours my thinking. Reality was just too hard for him to live with. Painful as it was, it is all just lessons and I note he is ecastatic in that realm now, minus the chemicals that were his crutch in this 3d life.

Even though I know you'll most likely poo poo the thoughts I have, even though you won't say so, I'll leave you with this quote again, as I see this discussion has gone full circle and I don't fancy another trip:

Cs wrote:

Accessing the higher levels of psychical awareness
through such processes is harmful to the balance levels of the
prime chakra. This is because it alters the natural rhythms of
psychic development by causing reliance on the part of the
subject, thus subjugating the learning process. It is a form of
self-imposed abridging of free will.

Indeed your NR name speaks to how tied in you are to this part of your soul development. As Love is Real alluded; the soul lives on regardless of how we treat the body, so it ultimately doesn't really mater at all.

Love always,

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lyra wrote:

Actually, coughcough, I *did* answer this for you, but either it was accidentally overlooked, or, purposely ignored.

Well no it wasn't overlooked or ignored, I just think we're talking about two very different things here. Two very different types of people and experiences.

The people that that you're talking about frying their brains on Ecstasy in clubs every weekend are, generally speaking, not spiritual seekers. They're not taking E for a shortcut, they're just taking E to have a good time.

I know this because I know many of these types of people, they're actually some of my best friends in the place where I live. These people are not interested in spirituality, they're essentially hedonists. Going clubbing and taking E is the one time of the week where they can forget about all their problems and let their hair down and have a good time.

But you're absolutely right, that it is a chemical love, and not a real love, and there is a big difference. I don't disagree with you there.

While I've never been a habitual user I've actually done Ecstasy more time than I can remember over the last 8 years. But interestingly enough I've never taken it for what I consider to be spiritual purposes. I've only ever taken E with friends for the purpose of having a good time.

But you're right, it wares off and doesn't leave you with anything that's lasting and I think most spiritual users of E are absolutely aware of that, or they should be.

Then you take a person who, WITHOUT taking drugs, learns and figures things out about people and reality and comes to understand humanity and love people..........on their own.   And in doing so, this is an actual spiritual lesson that their soul can take with them permanently.   It will not go away after they die.

Again, when you're talking about the recreational drug users then you're absolutely right, they are not learning lessons that their soul will take with them, but as I said, they are not taking drugs for that purpose anyway. Most of them aren't even aware they have a soul.

But if you're talking about spiritual users who are more than aware of what they're doing and why they're doing it then I have to disagree. Many valid lessons definitely can be learnt. Maybe not from drugs like ecstasy I don't think, but certainly from psychedelics, which are a whole different thing altogether.

I'm sure that there are some 'spiritual' seekers out there that think that drugs can lead to enlightenment and that they can learn everything they need from tripping. But I'm certainly not one of them and nor are the many other people I know. I totally agree that most lessons in life have to be learnt the hard way and the long way. I don't use drugs to replace life experiences and never have done.

Incase people have got the wrong impression about me I'm not tripping all the time, it's not something I do every day or every week, or even every month. I did do quite a lot of mushrooms last year but I'm taking it easy this year. I think I've only done them once or twice in the last 3 months.

This is why I personally don't see them as being a shortcut. I'm perfectly aware of the difference between the chemical loved-up feeling of E and what I would call real spiritual love.

Certainly I feel that Ayahuasca has taught me some important lessons about love, but 2 years later they have very much stayed with me and haven't worn off or faded like the fake ecstasy 'love' does 12 hours later. Ayahuasca is a completely different thing entirely.

Anyway, I wish you all the best in your new job and hope that everything goes well for you. smile

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Vuyiswa wrote:

so it ultimately doesn't really mater at all.

EXACTLY!!

It's all a ride, a journey.

I'm sometimes giggling too because I find it so strange that people take life so seriously. But I guess other times I do get a bit annoyed that people won't just celebrate my journey with me.

I'm not saying and have never said that other people should take drugs. I've said time and again that people should do whatever feels right for them.

Aya has felt right for me. I know I was called to Brazil two years ago, but if such a time comes when it stops feeling right then I will stop it, just like I do with everything else.

I don't know how you see life but I see it as a journey. I don't know exactly where I've been, and I don't know exactly where I'm going. All I really know for sure is that I'm a human being alive right now on planet earth.

I'm here to experience earth and so I'm making the most of this experience. Experiencing everything I can get my hands on, including some of the most extreme experiences like ayahuasca.

And if I end up dead, then so be it, because I'm pretty sure that I can't really die. But I don't think I'm ready to go just yet and strongly feel that I have some very important work to do here. But more about that another time perhaps.

Perhaps the C's are right and that I'm damaging my prime chakra, but I don't even know for sure if the C's exist so I'm not going to worry about that too much.

I just do what I do when I feel like doing it. Experience what I want to experience when I want to experience it. Just so long as I'm not in anyway harming someone else or infringing on their freewill.

It's a pretty simple philosophy really, and one that has worked well for me. It's got me to some pretty cool places and given me some very cool experiences. And perhaps I've just been lucky, but I believe very strongly in creating your own luck. I'm not about to change anything right now, just because a few people here don't agree with it.

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts, they're always welcome smile

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You know what I've been thinking / noticing......certain topics become "hot" at certain key times, like this one here...I think it's for a reason.  I think this discussion was meant to happen, because I think it's benefitting somebody, somewhere.   Somebody somewhere is reading all this, reading both sides presenting their ideas, and they're getting something out of it.   !   Interesting.   I wonder who they are?

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lyra wrote:

Somebody somewhere is reading all this, reading both sides presenting their ideas, and they're getting something out of it.   !   Interesting.   I wonder who they are?

I think that's a very good point, and I'm sure you're right. I'm sure some people will have been put off and that'll be right for them. And I'm sure other people will be at least intrigued to find out more.

My advice to people would be to not listen to anything I say! wink If you're interested in learning more on what I think is a very facinating subject (even if you have no intentions of ever tripping yourself) then I would recommend reading people who are far more intelligent and eloquent with words than I could ever hope to be. Terrence McKenna "Food of the Gods" is a good place to start which is available in file download area. Daniel Pinchbeck's "Breaking Open The Head" is also a book I enjoyed very much. You can also interact with Daniel in his forum at http://www.breakingopenthehead.com

Finally, and hopefully this will be my last word on the subject (at least for the time being), I'll leave you with an article by Stuie Wilde:

Stuart Wilde wrote:

The Mystery of the Goddess Aya'

Several years ago I became attracted to the ayahuasca temples. It was part of my search to find a doorway into the mirror worlds. Aya' is a sacred brew from the Amazon used by the shamans as a medicine and also for awareness.

The main component of the ayahuasca brew (DMT) is found naturally in the body, so while governments like to insist it's a drug, most people consider ayahuasca a sacrament, albeit a powerful one. In Brazil it is legal and there it forms part of the ceremonies of the Santo Daime church. In some countries like Switzerland, Holland, and Australia it is semi-legal; in so much as there aren't any seizures of the brew.

In America, where the doctors and the big pharmaceutical companies have everyone under tight control, everything is illegal, but the UDV another ayahuasca church, have won several court cases against the government and the DEA. So in the States ayahuasca rests in limbo for the moment with the legal position still rather unclear.

The Aya' vine has an intelligence of its own. If you take one journey and you wait a year before you take another, the ayahuasca knows where you left off, and it picks up from there. Aya' rest in a rotation through a hyperspace of super knowing, and that knowing has a curriculum of its own. I have the deepest respect for it. I see it as the university of the mother-goddess; the manifestation of the feminine spirit teaching us about her world.

Just as the fractal pictured here is a mathematical drawing of the spaces between our three dimensions, the goddess Aya' carries you into that same transdimensional gap. Imagine going into this fractal–pick any spot. As you go deeper and deeper, there are more and more fractal pictures, one inside the next. You might be looking at only a few square inches of a picture whose total size could be as large as the entire universe.

The world of Aya' is the same. She is vast. You often travel via the spirit of Aya' into a fractal dome of stunning geometric shapes and then beyond that through ' the gap' into other realities. There transdimensional beings come and find you: angelic healers, helpers, and teachers from another dimension. Often those beings are so far removed from our reality they aren't human at all, but they do seem to have an immense love for us. They are showing us as much as we can take_as much of 'reality' as we can cope with. What we learn is only limited by how much we can let go.

I am not an expert on ayahuasca as I have only ever been on two journeys. But I made sure I suggested it to everyone close to me, as I knew that if they hadn't seen the University of Aya' they wouldn't really have lived. It's very hard to comprehend our place in the nature of things while the human mind keeps the truth of reality from us. Aya' rewires your brain. You are never the same. Once you see it in all its magnificence, you understand.

Whatever your "ism" is, it is bound to be pure BS or mostly BS–¢sad but true. That is because there aren't any words to properly describe the transdimensional worlds. The reality of them is utterly beyond words, dogma and concepts. No one can tell you what it is like, at best they can offer to take you there so you can see for yourself. Red pill–¢blue pill, really.

Once you enter and look back, it changes your life. You begin to walk free. You see what you have been laboring under. What you understand is that creation is so vast, so enormous, so magnificent, it's pointless standing on ceremony about anything. All we know for certain is that we know very little.

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This topic reminds of something thas is obvious, but the extend of its meaning we do sometimes forget.
Spiritual process is what there Is. Always, each bit of a second, no brakes.
Aneeché, Aneeché, Aneeché.

edit (Ayahuasca: i started this post before yours was posted.)

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The Matrix Control System often deals with a threat by drowning it in a sea of fakes. For instance, if dangerous information is released on the internet the MCS might respond by producing multiple dilluted and/or distorted versions of the information and spreading it across many websites. This bad information is called "noise". It wastes time and causes confusion.

This isn't necessarily a new tactic of the information age, either. There's an old Irish legend about a man who caught a leprechaun, thereby obligating the leprechaun to reveal the location of his pot of gold. The leprechaun led the man to a poppy field and pointed to a particular flower under which the gold was buried. The man tied a red handkerchief around the poppy flower, and went to get a spade. When he returned, every poppy in the field had a red handkerchief tied around it.

For a long time I have wondered what the new religion will be. I know its primary purpose will be to drown out true spirituality, and its primary adherents will be the soulless. So I asked myself: what experience might convince the soulless person that he has a soul? And what experience might induce him to open his mouth about it, producing the "noise" the MCS needs? It seems to me the answer is the ingestion of psychedelic substances.

Living in physical bodies, we are quite intimate with the laws of physical reality. Filtered through physical senses, we experience time as linear, space as empty, and matter as solid. But when those senses are derranged, we can understand time as circular, space as ether, and matter as vibration. This is what happens when the mind realizes it is made of matter--that it is matter. The mind loses its identity as an individual when it experiences its connectedness with all things via the physical apparatus of the brain. It sees that time exists only for that which must die, that space exists for that which is not everywhere, and that matter exists only for that which is seperated from the whole. Then it reforms and returns to the individuated state where it relates its experiences to the other individuals.

But although these experiences may feel important, and may in fact be meaningful, is it really necessary to have a soul in order to experience them? All of these experiences can be duplicated by a brain that is focused on the task of examining itself. It must admit it is made of matter, that its functioning is dependant upon an invention called "linear time", and that for it to exist in space there must be some connection between space and matter or matter would be unable to move within space. In moving from the task of examing itself to the task of operating itself, the brain would see that all that is left is the organizing principles which govern its actions. From this, it might develop the idea of a "shadow self". This self would be the "real" brain or the "Platonic form" of the brain. It might call this its soul. It would then begin to worship these organizing principles and even posit a creator with perfect mastery of these principles. Worship of this creator--he with the "perfect brain"--might follow. Still, at the heart of all of this would be a the physical form of the brain.

A souled being would have access to this experience, but it would also have access to other experiences. The ability to create is the hallmark of the soul. A truly soulless being who only thinks he has a soul would be unable to move past the intoxifying effects of the disolution of ego. He would return again and again to undo himself and then reform himself. But the souled being would undo what he thought was himself and there find a spark or particle not unlike the grain of sand at the center of a pearl. Then and there he would begin to create, to build. It wouldn't be like the building of an idol or a programming instruction set. It would be like the creation of life: an unfolding. The result would be a soul of unique beauty and eternal nature. It would be a soul invulnerable to the amnesia of death. It would be a soul with a seat at the banquet table of life, and a room in the house of the father, to use biblical terms.

The cultivation of a true soul is hard work. The delusion of an already-complete soul is easy to experience. Fluffy descriptions by the soulless ones about their "souls" will proliferate in order to drown out communications by souled ones on the path to attainment. But in the end, "unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath." (Mathew, chapter 25.) Be careful and discerning, friends!

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My opinion on the matter is as follows: the mind is entangled with the universe, both inside and outside are connected as part of a single system; whereas the long path maintains balance by matching inner experience with outer experience, the use of psychoactive 'shortcuts' disturbs this equilibrium because the experience takes place entirely independent of outer experience. This is a problem because when disturbed, a system always seeks to return to equilibrium - in other words, the more you borrow the more you pay. Metaphysical shortcuts are therefore a form of borrowing.

As brought up earlier on this thread, there's a difference between loving humanity because of lessons learned through experience and "loving humanity" due to an overwhelming neurochemical surge. The difference here is precisely the same as the difference between eating food and taking diet pills -- both satiate hunger by triggering pleasure chemicals, but only the first nourishes the body as well. Long term psychedelic use may therefore lead to spiritual malnutrition and dependancy; like the diet pills, over time the feeling of satisfaction grows increasingly out of touch with reality.

And like Czyx explained, the appeal of that route depends on what one finds appealing, which depends largely on metaphysical factors or the lack thereof. So psychedelics like ayahuasca may indeed be the right thing for the right people, but others should be cautious to determine whether their own soul quality, psychology, and destiny would equally allow them to benefit, or whether it would interfere intead. For example, I prefer avoiding psychedelics because of the risk they pose to my psychic defenses, which if breached can lead to a cascading series of negative consequences. Others may not have to worry about such risks, or perhaps may not be aware of them, and so it's logical that they would be more eager to pursue it.

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Whoa! Class is definitely in on this thread today!

Awesome information from some awesome teachers wink.

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Re: Psychedelic medicine: Mind bending, health giving

I haven't taken ecstacy or any "designer drugs", but I have experimented with LSD, psilocybin mushrooms, and derivatives, and prior to (and well after) taking any drug I have researched and read all manner of treatises, experience reports, and other information on the particular substance I was to try. Let me say from my own experiences that when you are on a trip such as provided by the drugs I described, it does not in any way feel induced or artificial. The best analogy I can use here is that the drug acts as a key, and you feel as if you have unlocked a flood of thoughts and memories which you have always known inside but may have forgotten. For instance, the first time I took LSD (and many times after) old dreams which I had had as a child and forgotten would suddenly appear into my head and allow me to glean insight from them. Childhood memories of significant events that I may have suppressed or forgotten re-enacted themselves in my mind's eye, and from this I was able to learn significant lessons about how events from back then have impacted who I am now.

LSD was the catalyst for my stepping off the train in mid-run into the void and having to fend for myself. Under the influence of LSD I have grasped concepts and creatively excelled due to the removal of my inhibitions about self. It is like a temporary ego dissolver, a tool, and we are a species that uses the tool in every single facet of our existence, no matter how small. This brings me to another point which I will not elaborate on at this moment but which I will bring up in a separate thread some time in the future: becoming liberated from the almost symbiotic relationship between man and his tools.

It's been almost 8 months since my last trip, which I took with a very good friend that I hadn't (at the time) seen for almost 2 years, and it was his first trip. That night I grasped fully the concept of sacred geometry by viewing it objectively without rational thought interfering, I reacquainted myself with a kindred spirit that I had all but lost contact with, and 2 days later I quit my job to pursue the lifestyle which I am still maintaining today. As for my friend, while we were tripping I showed him all manner of things that he would not have seen before, and I believe I helped open his mind to a different way of thinking. He's changed significantly since that night, for the better, and has told me he has a new and vastly expanded outlook on reality.

Passing judgement on drug users and lumping them all into the category of "brain fried" is just the same as saying all christians are child molestors, all blacks are criminals, etc etc; this type of categorization should be redundant here by now. I will say that in my opinion, arguing against psychedelics and any other type of "spiritual medicine" without having actually taken them is analogous to giving a book a bad review without having read it. I think that if anybody here wants to form a real opinion on the subject, they should do it without basing it upon external observations of other users, but take a trip themselves wink


Also, to those who said that when you take ecstacy it is only the chemicals that make you feel this way: I haven't taken ecstacy myself, but can I just say that scientists and biological psychologists have dismissed our emotions (including love) as mere chemical and electrical reactions to external stimuli. Is it really fair to dismiss other's experiences on ecstacy in the same way, knowing this?

I'm not saying Psychedelics are the only way, the only true path, nor would I say they're a shortcut to enlightenment or anything similar, I'm saying that they work as tools, teachers and guides, not for all people but for some. As with anything, even while tripping, take what works for you and leave the rest. It's all dependant on the person.

Love,

Alushe.