1 (edited by Tom Paine 2005-02-18 13:34:50)

Topic: FIREFOX a new surveillance ploy?

(This came to mind with the mention of a Red Fox in another post.)
FIREFOX has a red fox sweeping the world as its logo.

FIREFOX was recommended by the Department of Homeland Security
(should be named the Department of Fear) as an alternate to IE.
Now, wouldn't it be clever if they started causing all sorts of glitches to IE
in order to make people disgusted enough to switch to FIREFOX?
There was a thread either in Signs of the Times or on Casschat which
informed everyone that GOOGLE is nothing but government spyware.
Guess who the search engine is on FIREFOX...

Internet security?  Hah!   

TP

Re: FIREFOX a new surveillance ploy?

PCs altogether are surveillance tools.

if u wanna b safe(cyber-wise), dont get on the internet.

z

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

Re: FIREFOX a new surveillance ploy?

Tom Paine wrote:

(This came to mind with the mention of a Red Fox in another post.)
FIREFOX has a red fox sweeping the world as its logo.

Point being?

Tom Paine wrote:

Now, wouldn't it be clever if they started causing all sorts of glitches to IE
in order to make people disgusted enough to switch to FIREFOX?

I can't think of any reason they would need to do that; Microsoft has been part-and-parcel to the system for a long time.  Search out my post a month or so ago which linked to an in-depth analysis of Windows XP as an government intelligence tool.   Internet Explorer is part of the system.   

To the best of my understanding, Firefox is an open-source web browser. This means that the source code is available for all to view.  This is not to say that there aren't many ways your browser security could still be compromised, but as far as security goes I can't see much comparison to IE.   

If the gov't is interested in you, they're watching your internet connection itself, not your browser.  And if they want more  details they can surely install keystroke loggers, get screen snapshots, etc., all remotely and without you knowing about it.  Your web browser would be the least of your worries.

Tom Paine wrote:

There was a thread either in Signs of the Times or on Casschat which informed everyone that GOOGLE is nothing but government spyware. Guess who the search engine is on FIREFOX...
TP

This statement indicates to me that you're not quite sure what you're talking about.  Firefox includes a built-in search bar that allows for quick searches of some of the most popular websites such as Google, Yahoo!, Amazon, etc.   Google is there at the top because just about every web-savvy person USES IT. 

I say you have things backwards, here, Tom Paine.   While there may be no privacy online, Firefox is still a far better choice overall.

Re: FIREFOX a new surveillance ploy?

Thank you, Morningsun,
I would switch to just using telepathy exclusively,
but I don't have that much quiet time available!
Obviously I haven't been keeping up with the tech
stuff, so your comments and information are
very welcome.
Regards,
TP

Re: FIREFOX a new surveillance ploy?

TP, no problem.  I always feel a bit apprehensive when I post something correcting someone else has said, because I'm always trying to think ahead of myself and make sure I'M not the one who's got it backwards, or who is confused.  It's a complicated world out there!   Anyway I think the major point here is probably not which browser is better, but that as a whole privacy is dead anyway.  I personally use a hardware router/firewall, antivirus, run both Adaware and Spybot regularly, keep updated with all the latest patches, and I still know that I'm not secure.  But I try to do what I can.  I really need to get back to running Linux full-time.  Maybe once I get this new PC up and running ...

Anyway speaking of browsers, another neat (and commercial) alternative is Opera.  It's very nice as well and handles e-mail as well.   If Firefox and Thunderbird weren't out there I'd probably be using it right now.  Also a big step up from IE in terms of usability.

Re: FIREFOX a new surveillance ploy?

I used to use Opera often. I've switched to Firefox. If your problem, for whatever reason, lies in the fox title, it used to be called Firebird, back when I tested it in beta... But that name was contested in court, and thus it was changed to Firefox.

I agree that the NWO can use computers as a whole as a surveillance system.  They would not be limited to bugging browsers; that's counter-productive. If they've got surveillance info, it's stuck right there in the operating system, like Windows, where you can't do anything about it aside from pick an open-source OS. It would not be wise to confine ones surveillance to a particular brand of browser, and MS is so in with the NWO (from what I understand) that IE might be the worse choice.

In a matter of performance and satisfaction, I choose Firefox without reservation.

Re: FIREFOX a new surveillance ploy?

In the very beginning it used to be called Phoenix (because it was born from the "ashes" of Mozilla; Mozilla is an alive project as well, but many considered that browser too bloated and thus "dead"). Legal reasons forced that to be renamed to Firebird. I am not certain wether changing the name to Firefox was for legal reasons too, or because it sounded too much like Thunderbird (the e-mail program).

Anyway, on the matter of Google being the default search engine in Firefox, I don't think anything of that. It is the most commonly used search engine and thus a logical default setting. Firefox supports search plugins for many search engines and sites (http://mycroft.mozdev.org/download.html).

On the matter of the Department of Homeland Security, not everyone working there is an evil metamorphing lizard from outer space. Some people just (naively) work there because they think they are doing a good thing, they think they are protecting the American people. Their main reason to recommend Firefox was probably the amount of security holes in Internet Explorer, making it able for "cyber-terrorists" to construct large networks that can be used to send gargantuan amounts of data to a single server (DDoS-attack). From a controlling-the-people perspective, it is way more complicated to do that via an open-source project, than via a commercial business which secret arrangements can be made with (cf. DRM, Digital Rights Management, to combat privacy, oh, I meant piracy).

8 (edited by Tom Paine 2005-02-19 08:49:53)

Re: FIREFOX a new surveillance ploy?

Thank all of you for your insights into this.
I had a feeling that the whole net was insecure anyway and you've just
confirmed my feelings.
The only thing that virus protection and spyware protection protects
against is the hackers, not the NWO. 
Why else would Microsoft put in a back door key for the convenience
of the NSA?

On the subject of Homeland Security employees, it's the same as working
for the IRS.  A whole lot of CPA's work for them because it's a living.
In fact I know a few.  They're not evil, they're just glad to be employed,
with a government package of retirement and healthcare perks.

But some of the Homeland Security guys have GOT TO BE LIZARDS.
(Just kidding.  Sort of...)

Thanks again to all of you.

Now I'll go back to pretending that everything is all right.

Uh huh.

TP