Topic: Are the Extraterrestrials Who First Came to Earth Still Here?

Edited; the full text version is available @ http://www.halexandria.org/dward359.htm

Zecharia Sitchin has provided a fascinating documentation on the existence of extraterrestrials in the history of mankind. These extraterrestrials are described in ancient Sumerian texts (circa 1500 to 3500 BCE -- “Before Current Era” ) as being the Anunnaki (“those who from heaven to earth came” ). According to Sitchin (1985, 1990-1) and any open-minded interpretation of the various ancient texts available to us today, the Anunnaki were instrumental in creating man some 250,000 years ago, and were thereafter extensively involved in mankind’s history during the pre-Christian eras. The Book of Genesis, as just one example, can best be interpreted in a consistent manner by incorporating the ancient Sumerian description of the Anunnaki.
Despite Zecharia Sitchin’s {aka Laurence Gardner}[et al] comprehensive research and scholarly interpretation of the ancient texts, two major questions concerning the Anunnaki have not been fully explored. The first question, which relates to the second, is why did they come to the Earth to begin with? The second question is whether or not the Anunnaki, after having been so completely immersed in the history of mankind, are still on the planet earth today.
This paper provides a brief summary on the background of the origins, history, and involvement in human activities of the Anunnaki, as well as the issue of why the Anunnaki came to earth in the first place and how man became a part of the Anunnaki history. The paper will then consider a variety of theories, ideas, and pieces of evidence which bear on the essential issue of whether or not the Anunnaki are still here. In developing the thesis of this paper, facts from a wide range of scholarly fields will be utilized, including ancient and recent histories, quantum physics, astronomy, mythology and philosophy.

The Anunnaki
According to Zecharia Sitchin (1985) and his interpretation of ancient Sumerian texts, extraterrestrials first arrived on the planet Earth some 485,000 years ago. These extraterrestrials were referred to by the Sumerians as the Anunnaki (“those who from heaven to earth came” ). They are believed to have been from the planet Nibiru, a planet allegedly orbiting about our sun in a strongly elliptical orbit every 3,600 years. The planet's perihelion (closest point of approach to the Sun) is thought to be within the main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, at a distance from the Sun of approximately 2.75 A.U. (an A.U. being the distance from the Sun to the Earth). The fact Nibiru is not known to modern science is likely due to the planet's aphelion (furthermost point in the planet's orbit from the Sun) being more than eight times the distance from the Sun to the planet Pluto (roughly 40 A.U.). Furthermore, Nibiru is now far out in deep space and unlikely to be easily detected.
The Anunnaki are an extremely long-lived race, potentially living as long as 500,000 Earth years, or about 140 “Nibiru years” . Accordingly, Anunnaki events move along very slowly compared to the hectic pace of humans. After the first Anunnaki arrived on Earth, for example, the first notable event was the discovery of gold 36,000 years later. This led to an Anunnaki mission to Earth to recover the gold from sea water roughly 445,000 years ago. This initial effort was led by an Anunnaki named EA, who assumed the title EN.KI (“Lord of Earth” ).
After the initial operation failed to produce the expected quantities of gold, an enlarged operation was commenced, this time under the command of EN.LIL (translated as "Lord of the Command"). Enlil was the half-brother of Enki. But while Enki was the older of the two brothers, Enlil was the Heir Apparent of Nibiru in the same manner as Isaac was Abraham’s favored son over Ishmael. The resulting Enki and Enlil rivalry turned out to be very important in the history of mankind and in understanding such historical documents as the biblical Book of Genesis.
The original gold extraction operation had been located in Mesopotamia at the head of the Persian Gulf. The new plan was to mine gold from the ground in southern Africa (referred to in the Sumerian texts as the AB.ZU), ship it back to Mesopotamia, and then lift it off the planet for trans-shipment to Nibiru. Enki was given authority over Africa (including Egypt), while Enlil took control of Mesopotamia and the overall Earth mission.
Roughly 272,000 years ago, the Anunnaki laboriously mining the gold from the South African mines mutinied! The mutiny and the difficulties the Anunnaki had encountered in working the mines were resolved when Enki proposed to create a “primitive worker”  to do the work in lieu of the Anunnaki. In effect, Enki proposed, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.”  Given the go-ahead, Enki and his half-sister, Ninki, created man, Homo sapiens sapiens, through genetic engineering for the sole purpose of providing workers to mine the gold! Man was created by cross-breeding Homo erectus with an extraterrestrial!
Ninki herself carried the first “mixed worker”  to term and gave birth to a being she called the “Lulu” . Later, fourteen “birth goddesses”  (female Anunnaki) were utilized to produce additional workers. This solution was only a moderate success in that the Lulu (or “mixed worker” ) was a hybrid and incapable of procreation (just as the mule, the cross between a horse and a donkey, cannot reproduce itself). And as the “birth goddesses”  became weary of continually being pregnant, Enki and Ninki were forced to modify the genetic structure of the Lulu in order for it to be able to reproduce itself. They created the “Adama” . This latter step, however, was taken without Enlil’s knowledge!
Eventually, many of the Lulus were taken to Mesopotamia to work in agriculture and aid the Anunnaki efforts to raise food for themselves and their new workers. According to the Sumerian texts, Enlil created E.DIN, a special place where new strains of edible crops could be developed and later implemented. Lulus were placed inside E.DIN, but without Enlil having learned of the Lulu’s recently acquired ability to procreate. [..] The existence of the Anunnaki as “gods”  also explains Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 6:2, and 6:4.
Scientific confirmation for the creation of mankind from Homo erectus roughly 250,000 years ago comes from two sources. The first is from Cann, et al (1987) wherein mitochondrial DNA (a form of DNA transmitted only maternally) had been used to postulate a single woman living in Africa roughly 250,000 years ago who became the mother of every human being now living on the planet. More recently, Dorit, et al (1995) have found no intraspecific polymorphism whatsoever in a gene paternally inherited, and concluded a date of the last common male ancestor of all humans currently on the planet to be 270,000 BCE.
[...]As the God of Wisdom, Enki was proficient in genetics, engineering, architecture (including sacred geometry), life sciences (including how to raise the dead), and other such esoteric disciplines. Much of this wisdom and knowledge was apparently passed onto his son, Quetzalcoatl/Ningishzida/Thoth, quite possibly from Enki’s viewpoint, the only worthy recipient. [...]Nevertheless, there is at least one UFO style event which might suggest a continuing presence by the Anunnaki in this century. In their book, The Fire Came By, Baxter and Atkins (1976) describe an incredible event which occurred on June 30, 1908 AD. Witnesses described a cylindrical object, shining very brightly (apparently much too bright for the naked eye) and with a bluish-white light. According to the eyewitnesses, the object was moving vertically for about ten minutes.
[...] The object then caused an immense explosion in the region of Stony Tunguska, some 40 miles NNE of Vanavara, in the frozen wasteland of Siberia.
The Tunguska Explosion, as it came to be called, exceeded in sheer force the enormous size, destructive capability and long-term effects of the volcanic eruptions at Thera (Santorini) circa 1500 BCE, Vesuvius (August 24, 79AD), and Krakatoa (August 26, 1883 AD) between Java and Sumatra. The explosion at Tunguska was comparable only with the explosive capabilities of the heaviest hydrogen bombs. Furthermore, the Tunguska explosion had all the ear marks of a mid-air explosion, and none of the characteristics of an object slamming into the Earth. [...]The other implication is whether or not we as a race can expect to see a renewed overt involvement by the Anunnaki in our lives. The Anunnaki’s demonstrated appreciation of astronomical alignments as a means of determining when certain events should proceed has already been mentioned. We know, for example, that an alignment circa 4000 BCE apparently initiated the Sumerian Civilization, an alignment circa 3100 BCE may have initiated the Egyptian and Indus Valley Civilizations (as well as the Mayan Calendar), a 1993 BCE alignment initiated the Chinese Calendar and effectively began the reign of Marduk, the Temple of Solomon (circa 1000 BCE) was delayed from the time of David (“because it was not yet time” ), and the Christian Era arrived approximately 4 BCE, shortly after the profound philosophies of the East began and after the Anunnaki dropped out of sight.

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I have heard of Zecharia Sitchin and his numerous books about the 'Annunaki'.

I have only scanned them briefly while in a bookstore.

One notable thing I remember in regards to Z. Sitchin is that David Icke says he was warned by Z. Sitchin 'not to go there' concerning Icke's investigation of the 'reptilian-dna-aliens' and their possible 'shape-shifting' abilities/natures (as elaborated also by Don Juan, the Mexican Yaqui Indian shaman, tutor of Carlos Castaneda, in his description of the alien 'predators' of mankind).

I also remember David Icke having a bad opinion of British genealogical author/researcher Laurence Gardner.

I am sure there are others (authors/researchers) who question the accuracy and possible mis or dis info of Z. Sitchin (though I am intrigued by his books/ideas and they may have semi-legitimacy as well, irregardless of what others, such as David Icke think of them).

Just some further input,

-Indigo

Christ, the narrow path, saves those willing

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indigo wrote:

I have heard of Zecharia Sitchin and his numerous books about the 'Annunaki' [...]I also remember David Icke having a bad opinion of British genealogical author/researcher Laurence Gardner.

This dangerously sounds like hear-say if you want my opinion. By the way, I heard that the CIA was monitoring all Hotmail emails, I heard that it is possible to get pregnant only by indulging in oral sex, I also heard that U.S TV news networks are saying nothing but the truth and that I actually am several people preparing an insidious planetary level dis-information campaign to infiltrate the Anti-Free Mason and prepare the venue for the next World teacher (who could well be the Beckham's next child)...words, words, words...

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I_like_Athm_too! wrote:
indigo wrote:

I have heard of Zecharia Sitchin and his numerous books about the 'Annunaki' [...]I also remember David Icke having a bad opinion of British genealogical author/researcher Laurence Gardner.

This dangerously sounds like hear-say if you want my opinion. By the way, I heard that the CIA was monitoring all Hotmail emails, I heard that it is possible to get pregnant only by indulging in oral sex, I also heard that U.S TV news networks are saying nothing but the truth and that I actually am several people preparing an insidious planetary level dis-information campaign to infiltrate the Anti-Free Mason and prepare the venue for the next World teacher (who could well be the Beckham's next child)...words, words, words...

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I_like_Athm_too......might want to go back and re-read indigo's post.  He clearly stated that he flipped through some of Sitchin's books at the bookstore,

indigo wrote:

I have only scanned them briefly while in a bookstore.

and "remembers" David Icke having a bad opinion of Laurence Gardner.    Which he's right about, btw.   Icke does in fact have a negative opinion about Gardner.  He believes Gardner serves to perpetuate the lie that there was a Jesus.  Icke believes Jesus is a fictional character, and is a combination of many mythological characters, including Horus / Osirus.   

Point being, Indigo wasn't conveying "hearsay."   He saw the books, and remembered something about Icke which was very much correct, and which I can verify.    You mentioned on another thread that you hadn't bothered to even read the entire thread before posting......seems you may have done that again here.    I mean honestly....before tossing off flippant posts, hows about actually reading what you're responding to??.....??   It saves unnecessary debates and bickering I think......

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indigo wrote:

One notable thing I remember in regards to Z. Sitchin is that David Icke says he was warned by Z. Sitchin 'not to go there' concerning Icke's investigation of the 'reptilian-dna-aliens' and their possible 'shape-shifting' abilities/natures ...

I read the first hundred and fifty pages or so of Sitchin's first "Earth Chronicles" book and had to put it down.  I could not get past the fact that what I was reading was basically a novel -- a story.  No footnotes, no references of any kind to sources, nothing.  Utterly worthless for any purpose other than entertainment, and, as far as I'm concerned, an obvious and intentional distraction from meaningful research. 

I recently found that an ancient languages scholar has put up an online critique of Sitchin's stories.


I will also mention here, and I don't think I've stated it before, that I have a source which indicates that Sitchin's books are strongly influenced by information Sitchin received by himself channelling extraterrestrials.   I can't verify it, and won't go into further details on this point, but my personal feeling on this is that Sitchin likely is getting his messages from an outside origin, quite possibly one with an agenda.   But I'd be careful of accepting anything he says without careful consideration.   I can't help but wonder: if he is channeling hostile ETs, does that not explain why he would "warn" David Icke to avoid the subject of reptilians and shapeshifting?   Maybe it's the reptilians who are making him say that in the first place.  Hell, it would make sense.  Anyway, again, this is speculation .. but I don't speculate lightly.

lyra wrote:

   Icke believes Jesus is a fictional character, and is a combination of many mythological characters, including Horus / Osirus.

Anyone interested in learning more about the lack of historical evidence for an actual Jesus may want to read this article by author Acharya S (homepage).  It's a good starting point.

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Please see my reply under Current Events> Hollywood (Hellewood) gliterati/illuminati (Eternal Sunshine/Montauk)> post #11.

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I was merely trying to point out what I read in regards to Zecharia Sitchin.

I was going through another of David Icke's books (Tales from the Time Loop) where he mentions some of Sitchins theories/ideas, so, yes, Icke adopts some of the same concepts...

I was trying to relay that Sitchin warned Icke about the 'elaboration' on the 'reptilians'... (what this may mean or not is debatable).

Yeah, one can easily list various sensational topics and 'theories' and stories of which many are indeed 'hearsay' and 'non-sense' and 'gossip' for tabloid market profit-making schemes etc.

One could make the point that David Icke (or Zecharia Sitchin, or other various researchers in the controversial often-unverifiable/unprovable/debatable field of ufo/et/paranormal/supernatural/conspiracy) is nothing more than a 'conspiracy-huckster' selling sensational type books for profit (to make a living).  I know that the late Jim Keith had remarked negatively about how Icke 'stole' or 'co-opted' many theories/ideas from already established research...  I did get an 'angry-like' vibe from Keith's comments...

I do think David Icke has done a good job at condensing and coherently co-ordinating many diverse subjects and theories/alt-facts/ideas etc... (though I too question Icke's method of re-hashing 'so-that-new-readers-will-be-informed-without-reading-my-previous-books' numerous points over and over in each book he publishes... though each book does contain some additional material -like the second half-removing of the 'illusion' keys in Tales from the Time Loop-and the opening personal history revelations and the ongoing Iraq War and 9-11 etc and as I mentioned in another thread that Icke would do better to release books with better designed/less sensational-looking/eye-catching covers [not to judge a book by its cover though] and his website design team [of only a reported 4 or so] would better their website pages [as they are currently doing according to the Icke-Media-Site which IS of better quality design]).

There are so many researchers out there (Jim Marrs, Tex Marrs, Alex Jones, Jim Keith, Branton, David Icke, Zecharia Sitchin, Timothy Good, George Noory, Art Bell, Jeff Rense, Brad Steiger, Val Valerian, Robert Monroe, Stuart Wilde, William Cooper, Peter Moon, Philip Schneider, --all of the better known contributors, and various other groups-of-anonymous-individuals, and on and on...)

So one must discern from a very diverse field.  Sifting through many misperceptions and misconceptions, theories, ideas, arguments, observations, etc.

Almost everyone has their own slant/view on these matters.

It is with co-operation that we must push forward (and not get too distracted with the many 'as-you-point-out' dis/mis info and sensational-type non-sense out there floating around...)

We must agree about dis-agreeing in general (as the saying goes).

So, again, I merely wanted to add what I remembered reading about Zecharia Sitchin (who is certainly on to various aspects of phenomena concerning the 'extra-terrestrial' questions).

-Indigo (still observing)

Christ, the narrow path, saves those willing

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indigo wrote:

There are so many researchers out there (Jim Marrs, Tex Marrs, Alex Jones, Jim Keith, Branton, David Icke, Zecharia Sitchin, Timothy Good, George Noory, Art Bell, Jeff Rense, Brad Steiger, Val Valerian, Robert Monroe, Stuart Wilde, William Cooper, Peter Moon, Philip Schneider, --all of the better known contributors, and various other groups-of-anonymous-individuals, and on and on...)

So one must discern from a very diverse field.  Sifting through many misperceptions and misconceptions, theories, ideas, arguments, observations, etc.

Almost everyone has their own slant/view on these matters.

I do not know any of these researchers, which proves the point that I do not know much about pseudo (or non-pseudo) alien agenda. One way or another (since I am not able to vouch for any of them) I feel it is a topic which goes well beneath the surface. Hence the value of critical thinking...The key word seems to be "agenda", here. Channelers and researchers may be genuine in their approach, most of them probably are, however since we are theoretically dealing with either superior or non-human forms of intelligence we must exercise a huge caution. The "intelligences" may have a different one from our own. This may seem obvious but even from my own limited practical experience within these subjects our "I love you" may have a totally different meaning/value or even effect (on) to "Them", just as every other concept, belief system, vision of the Creator, rationale, logic, evolutive mode, etc. etc. etc. The same way people used to say in the Middle Ages that you should not sign parchments with weird symbols on them, I'd say, be careful as to what you decide to include in you own "tunnel vision" or whoever's views you choose to embrace. One more advice would be: Better Safe than Sorry.

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Oh, I just got that voice in my head saying:

Put salt in your sugar and sugar in your salt...

I think that fits nicely in here and...everywhere else I guess.
(I am not sure if it was coming from Ummo, Orion, the Brotherhood or myself but who freaking cares!)

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You Bet!

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morningsun76 wrote:

I read the first hundred and fifty pages or so of Sitchin's first "Earth Chronicles" book and had to put it down.  I could not get past the fact that what I was reading was basically a novel -- a story.  No footnotes, no references of any kind to sources, nothing.  Utterly worthless for any purpose other than entertainment, and, as far as I'm concerned, an obvious and intentional distraction from meaningful research.

Well you might be right, if you require cold, hard, provable facts.  But I'd say Sitchin's works, including Earth Chronicles, are definitely worth a read if you're at all interested in topics such as these.  It may not be quite the kind of scientific research you prefer, but it's certainly far from "worthless" as you said.  It won't hurt to read at least one of his books before thorougly abandoning it.  Exposure to different theories will only make you stronger, even if you don't agree with them.

morningsun76 wrote:

I can't help but wonder: if he is channeling hostile ETs, does that not explain why he would "warn" David Icke to avoid the subject of reptilians and shapeshifting?   Maybe it's the reptilians who are making him say that in the first place.  Hell, it would make sense.  Anyway, again, this is speculation .. but I don't speculate lightly.

Who knows.  A lot of his stuff just appears to be based on the translation of Sumerian and other texts, including the bible.  But I still can't understand why you're willing to speculate so much concerning Sitchin without even reading one of his books?

Actually, I do understand it somewhat -- I had pretty much the same reaction after reading some of Icke's material concerning reptilians.  "What a nut", I thought.  Then 2 years later it hit me, just how right he may have been all along.  I now own 3 of his books in print, and certainly plan to buy the next if he doesn't fall off before then. (he appears to be having issues at the moment)

For anyone interested in checking his stuff out:
http://www.geocities.com/elchasqui_2/ZS … itles.html

I've been meaning to archive this site somehow, but I'm not sure how to do it.  If anyone else knows a way or cares to do it for the NR files section, please let me know?  Thanks in advance!

This is no time for the righteous
Only the wicked survive
Bake up a batch of the Yellow Cake
Bake up a batch of the lies
- - - - -[ Yellow Cake - Ministry - Rio Grande Blood (2006)

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The first couple Sitchin books do document some Sumerian myths and artifacts that support the ancient astronaut theory, so for research start with the earliest. After the documentation has been exhausted, all that's left is the story. Personally, I prefer William Bramley and Erik von Daniken, as Sitchin's range of evidence and interpretation of that evidence is just too narrow. I get the impression that Sitchin, Laurence Gardner, and the Exopolitics team - among others - are different faces of the Stargate Conspiracy. However, Twelfth Planet did open my eyes when I first read it, and helped me realize that the alien hybrid breeding program is about replacing us just like we replaced the neanderthals.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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Risen wrote:

Well you might be right, if you require cold, hard, provable facts.  But I'd say Sitchin's works, including Earth Chronicles, are definitely worth a read if you're at all interested in topics such as these.  It may not be quite the kind of scientific research you prefer, but it's certainly far from "worthless" as you said.  It won't hurt to read at least one of his books before thorougly abandoning it.  Exposure to different theories will only make you stronger, even if you don't agree with them.

Wow, quite an old topic!  I had to go back and re-read my post.  I think I could have chosen my words more carefully.  Let me put it this way:  Sitchin presents his work as nonfiction research.  My own personal understanding of things is that it is not research, it is the result of E.T. channelling -- more specifically via automated writing.  That tells me at the outset that Sitchin is being dishonest.    In addition, the books don't seem to be normal scholarly research to me. 

So yes you're right; Sitchin's work may have some value.  But I still say it's probably not in it's historical accuracy.  I think if anything it's more valuable in the sense of it being known (probable-) ET-controlled information which is being delivered to us now for some purpose.  The important question then becomes WHY are they giving us this story -- what end of theirs will it help to make possible?   Whether their ultimate purpose is positive or negative we don't know.

Anyway,  I'll add to my earlier comments the following points:

1) I could be wrong. 

2)  I personally am just not interested in Sitchin's work at this time, because something about the whole thing really rubs me the wrong way.  That much of it is purely subjective on my part, but I follow my feelings on things like this, and I've made quite amazing progress in my own life by doing so.   At the same time many others might be called to read Sitchin's work for some reason.   I don't know ...  If you like it, I say dive in.  Just (as always) be careful about what you accept to be true, especially if it's based solely on someone else's claims.

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morningsun, fair enough.  I follow my feelings on things as well, so I definitely understand where you're coming from there.  At least you gave it a try.  And you're right that we should always keep in mind that we may be reading disinfo. 

Btw I'm not saying I fully accept what he says, but even in false teachings there is usually some truth.  So, I take what seems right and leave the rest ;-)

This is no time for the righteous
Only the wicked survive
Bake up a batch of the Yellow Cake
Bake up a batch of the lies
- - - - -[ Yellow Cake - Ministry - Rio Grande Blood (2006)

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montalk wrote:

I get the impression that Sitchin, Laurence Gardner, and the Exopolitics team - among others - are different faces of the Stargate Conspiracy.

Montalk, in your personal opinion is the book The Stargate Conspiracy worthwhile reading?  I'd seen it but never bothered to pick it up.  I'm guessing you may have read it based on your post.