Re: Germany proposes EU-wide ban on Nazi symbolism

lyra wrote:

..........and here's another way to look at this morningsun76, using the logic that thought / costumes  "shows where a person stands" (with the implication being that it *might* turn into action and thus deserves morally imperative action...)

Consider this:

The Powers That Be could very well label you and many of us Noble Realmers as terrorists, or potential "problems" that need to be put on that infamous "list" to be dealt with, due to our unconventional, boat rocking opinions.  We don't conform to the norm.  We challenge what we've been taught.  We try to help others to wake up and we stick our necks out and loudly proclaim that we don't stand for the values / lifestyle that TPTB have put in front of us.  We choose a different path.

They would look at you, me, and the rest of us as having "shown where we stand".  And being that where we stand is obviously against where they stand, they just might be feeling that action is "morally imperative" on their part to take care of this potential problem.

So, how is what you advocated any different from the mindset TPTB have against nonconformist troublemakers?

Excellent points and good question.

Basically I guess the difference is in that I'm saying that sometimes you have to respond when someone says something that you feel is wrong in an important way.  Open discussion and free speech, I think, are one of the most powerful tools we have at our disposal to try to reach truth.   Disagreement and disciplined argument, I think, can be very productive.   Whereas TPTB wouldn't be interested in a discussion if they labelled us as terrorists, they'd just send men with guns to our doors and be done with it.     The pen vs. the sword, so to speak.

Re: Germany proposes EU-wide ban on Nazi symbolism

Atlantis wrote:

Harry The Nazi January 18, 2005
   Several people have written in to ask about Prince Harry’s apparent lack of
   sensitivity in wearing a Nazi costume to a recent party. Shortly after the "official
   apology" from Clarence House stated that "Prince Harry has apologized for any
   offence or embarrassment he has caused. He realizes it was a poor choice of
   costume."
   This was a carefully staged event to begin imprinting the public with the official
   acceptance of the Nazis. The initial reaction is shock, which still is an entry way into
   the frequency of the populace. People are now talking about and seeing Nazi symbols.
   Once the initial "shock" has passed, watch for an introduction of "phase two."

Source: http://www.stewartswerdlow.com

I think the opposite is true, at least for now. Nazism at this point exists as a symbol of the worst kind of evil, and as such it is very useful for manipulating the public mind. Even though Stalin was a more prolific killer, and hundreds of previous cultures and civilizations were more cruel, Hitler and his followers have the worst reputation. Nazism is used today as a way to divert attention and outrage from ongoing evils. Rather than focusing on actual wrongdoing, (corporations poisoning the planet, pedophile priests wrecking the lives of children, megalomaniacal political leaders selling their people down the river, institutional racism, drug laws that drive prices up and make illegal dealing lucrative, economic manipulation by the elite, etc.) the leaders can just point to a swastika and say "there's the real evil".

And who can argue with them? Nazism eclipses all current evils in the public mind. The public mind is simple. It doesn't retain the "how" and "why", just the images. So as long as we don't wear swastikas and double lightning bolts while we torture POW's and raze the homes of children, we are safe. We are not evil. The caricature-like nature of Nazi evil--its cartoonishly overblown presence--ensures that comparisons to current evils will be laughed down. After all, we can never be that evil! Anybody who'd make the comparison is surely just another Chicken Little!

The banning of the swastika and other Nazi imagery is a symptom of the confused state of mind most people now live in. The virtual is leaking into the real. Rather than making an attempt to penetrate to the heart of the real, people are just accepting the virtual as real. They are treating symbols like the things they represent. The Nazis could have worn smiley faces instead of swastikas. Then we'd be banning smiley faces and patting ourselves on the back for defeating evil. The new confusion can be seen in the banning of violent video games, where a simulation of violent behavior is taken for actual violence. It can be seen in the banning of toy weapons, where a simulation of a tool of killing is taken for actual tool. And it's apparent in the banning of Nazi symbols, where the imagery of evil is taken for evil itself.

Nazism will slowly regain respect in the world after its basic tenets are swallowed by the people. We will never see the rise of the party itself, complete with the old uniforms. The world will become Nazified first, under the surface, and then people will "rediscover" and "re-examine" Nazism. If the NWO is successfully implemented, intellectuals will begin observing how similar it is to the Nazi ideal, then they will conclude that the Nazis were right, but their methods were flawed. We won't have Nazi stormtroopers on the streets, just generic stormtroopers. Nobody will wear swastikas, because it won't be necessary. The swastika will go down in history as a quaint symbol of our forefathers. It'll be revered alongside all other political symbols which the NWO will subsume.

--Justin

Re: Germany proposes EU-wide ban on Nazi symbolism

As always, that was a great post czyx.  smile 

Well, came across this today:

Nazi Anthem Pulled From Alberta, Canada Lottery Ad
http://www.rense.com/general62/anazi.htm


They claim that it was an "accident" that it was selected to be used for the ad....but was it, really?  wink   Or was it just more of that "pushin' the boundaries" thing, to see how far they can go?   And when they didn't get more than an inch they had to cough and ahem and pretend it was all an accident?  wink

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