Topic: Freemasons

Kept meaning to bring this up, but I was wondering if anybody had Freemason lodges in your town/city.  Where I live, there is a plain, large Scottish Rite Freemason building, and, across from that, a smaller brick building.  The thing about this brick building is that it has this large lit sign (like a convenience store, see-through, back lit plastic covering) placed on the front of the building.  The design is the traditional G in a compass we're all used to seeing, but, around this, is a five pointed, upside down star (Baphomet).  The five rays of this star are all different colors, yellow, red, blue, green, and another color that I forget.

Anyone have anything like that in town so obviously displayed?

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We had one in town(on my block actually) It was a huge blue house but nothing outwardly marking it. I can look in some other local cities too as they probably have them as well.

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There are Mason lodges all over Christchurch, including one situated inside a primary school.

4 (edited by lyra 2005-01-22 16:42:21)

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I briefly lived across the street from one in north Portland (Oregon) for 4 months back in 2001.   REALLY interesting architecture that building had.   I took photos.  The building was a big old brick building, and on the top front there was an Egyptian winged disk carved into the trim, and the trim itself that lined the top of the building by the roof was feathers.    Really interesting.   The masonic lodge was up on the second floor, and the curtains were always drawn on the windows, not surprisingly.

One time me and my brother watched as all the old masons and their old wives filed somberly into the building for some meeting gathering.  Wanted to heckle them, but we refrained.   big_smile  hehe  Have to respect the elders and all.....no matter what neferous activities they may be up to..... 

There's also a Masonic lodge here in downtown where we live.  Another big old brick building, but this one is sandwiched in amongst trendy shops, cafes and boutiques on the heavily traveled "Downtown Pedestrian Mall."


EDIT:   Forgot to mention......My brother was forever poking around and exploring everything.  Well, on the sidewalks on both sides of the street next to the Lodge there were these old doors that swung up, with stairs leading down below the street.    My brother apparantly poked around one night when nobody was around and supposedly managed to get down there.   He claimed that there were these tunnels that ran underneath the street which......not so surprisingly I guess.......connected to the Lodge, among other things.    So basically it was an underground tunnel system that they could have utilized if they'd wanted to.   He wanted me to go with him and check it out for myself but I never did.      I did take photos though of the sidewalk, showing the hatch doors, and you can see the Lodge right there in the photos.

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I've noticed that the masonic lodges in Queensland Australia usually have their front doors facing either at right angles to, or on the opposite side of the building from the road.

As I briefly mentioned in my member introduction page, my dad was a Worshipful Master in the masons.  I've read a lot of the worrying (but fairly convincing) stuff about them, and to date I haven't been able to work out to what level my dad was 'in' with the masons.  He died 34 years ago, so I can't ask him!  big_smile

The thing that really intrigued me was - what on 'earth' do they swear on that ensures that NOT ONE mason EVER divulges ANYTHING about what they do?  I've known a few chatter boxes who love to brag about this and that, who have been masons, and they won't say ZIP about anything at all.

Here are a couple of links - one to the lodge that my dad was WM of in England - the architecture is fantastic.  The other shows an old (C 1760) masonic apron with some symbology on it.

www.portsunlight.org.uk/gallery/
http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/lady … capron.asp

Quote from the Lady Lever Art Gallery in Port Sunligh - tLord Leverhulme became involved with Freemasonry through his business. In 1902 he was the first initiate of a new lodge bearing his name established by some of his employees. He was rapidly promoted to high office at both local and national level. He founded a number of lodges and was a generous benefactor of Masonic charities.

Leverhulme saw Freemasonry as a useful tool to promote social cohesion and high standards of personal conduct among his male workforce. The Masonic network he established at Port Sunlight deliberately reinforced the existing hierarchy within Lever Brothers. Separate lodges were created for managers, supervisors and workers. Freemasonry was an important instrument in his paternalistic policy for the welfare of his workers.

Much of Leverhulme’s Masonic collection came from Albert Calvert, an unsuccessful and somewhat disreputable businessman. Calvert began collecting Masonic memorabilia after joining the order in 1894. Following the collapse of all his enterprises by the end of the First World War, Calvert offered his collection to Leverhulme, who acquired them at bargain prices.

The earliest Freemasons’ aprons were plain lambskins. The practice of decorating them, initially with simple drawings or paintings, began in the 1750s. This is a very early example of the type. Later examples were made of silk or satin with very fine painted or embroidered decoration.

Now my dad DID show me his (two) little black books (when I was between 8 & 10 years old). This leads me to think he was showing me whatever he could within the confines of his imposed silence. 

These books were written in encoded language so we mere mortals can't understand them.  One of them was a WM's ritual book, that he had to learn by heart before his meetings.  He'd walk around the house with it muttering to himself before the lodge met.

The other book talked about Soloman.  There were also 4 or 5 'tracing boards'.  These were symbolic pictures which to me now would probably mean something.  I think he explained them at the time, but I can't remember much now (sigh)!

From memory, one had a ladder (Jacob's) going up to the clouds with ?an eye? in it and sun behind it.  That to me now would symbolise climbing the ladder of consciousness to ?christ consciousness? 

That and/or other tracing boards had pillars, the black and white floor tiles.  The last one was intriguing.  Again, from memory it had a coffin.  That to me now would symbolise death of the ego.

As I said, I don't know what 'level' of a mason my dad was - he did go to up to the masonic lodge in London (he was a free man of London for the work he did in the second world war - met Churchill a couple of times) every now and then, so he was in there with the big wigs (scary to think what that could mean). 

But I do know that he was well remembered when he died.  He often gave people money (Up to UKP 500 which was a lot in those days) if they were in need - without regard to himself.  "Don't worry about it, money will come", he would say.  Also, he believed that he was a spirit in a body because he said "don't worry spending money on my funeral, stick my body on the compost heap - I won't be in it when I've died". 

One thing that stuck in my mind that he told me when I was about 8 when I asked if Jesus Christ was The Son of God. He said "He was a good man who did many good thingsbut he was no more or less a son of God than you or I".

I feel in my heart that though he was in the Masons, he was himself a good man.  (I know that is what I wish to believe).  But from my own memory of him, and also from what others have said about him, that is so. 

But I digress ... that's my own stuff that I have to work through and hopefully this topic will help me understand better. 

I hope the info above is useful.

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Cipher wrote:

I feel in my heart that though he was in the Masons, he was himself a good man.  (I know that is what I wish to believe).  But from my own memory of him, and also from what others have said about him, that is so.

"Though he was in the Masons" ... I don't believe there is any reason to think this should have a bearing on the type of person he was.  I'm fairly well-read on the subject and aware of all the intrigue and ueber-nasty political stuff that various related organizations have been involved with.  I don't, however, believe that simply by being a member in any way implicates a person in those nefarious sorts of things.    Some are more aware than others of what goes on but that doesn't mean they're personally taking part. 

Though most members will refuse to say much if anything about the organization, there's a lot of research material easily available to the general public for those who are interested.  The trick is to avoid propaganda material of either pro or con origin.  A couple of books I've read on the subject which I found especially interesting were "Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy" which was written by a Mason who understood that his oath did not require unconditional silence and made that clear in his introduction, and also "The Brotherhood," written by a non-mason as an expose of the inner workings of British Freemasonry and its role as a "wheels within wheels" organization througout British society.

For what it's worth I have heard it suggested by someone familiar with them that the British organization is "a bunch of thugs" compared to the American branches.

7 (edited by Cipher 2005-01-23 01:37:50)

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Thanks morningsun76

I'm fairly well-read on the subject and aware of all the intrigue and ueber-nasty political stuff that various related organizations have been involved with.  I don't, however, believe that simply by being a member in any way implicates a person in those nefarious sorts of things.    Some are more aware than others of what goes on but that doesn't mean they're personally taking part.

Though most members will refuse to say much if anything about the organization, there's a lot of research material easily available to the general public for those who are interested.  The trick is to avoid propaganda material of either pro or con origin.  A couple of books I've read on the subject which I found especially interesting were "Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy"

Yes, on balance, I'm inclined to believe you are right. ( It's the "little girl in me" that takes me out of my logical mind). smile

I will see if I can get a hold of a copy of the book/s you have mentioned, particulary the one quoted above.

Does either book happen to have copies of the 'tracing boards'?  I'd be fascinated to take another look at them through adult's eyes.

"And your truth will set you free!" Cipher

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No, I don't believe so.  I'm sure if you do some searching online or in bookshops/libraries you can probably find whatever you're looking for.

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Went by the lodge again, and I had it wrong.  The G symbol is its own sign on the wall, just as large as the other sign, which must be about four feet in length.  The inverted star has a pedestal with a book in the center of a pentagon shape.  The rays of the star are yellow, black, red, green, and white.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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Haven, it's funny you mention this. One night a few months back I was out on the town in New York City, and on my way back from the club I was at I saw a Masonic lodge in person for the first time. It was a plain red brick building but had a big backlit Freemason symbol, like a store sign. I actually laughed out loud at the sight of it. It really looked like some sort of corporate brand logo attracting customers to a store. This one didn't have an upside-down pentagram though...

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The upside down pentagram is the symbol for Eastern Star. That's the female version, per say for the "club".  For females 12-20 it's Job's Daughters, and for the guy teen's it's DeMolay.  Girls (teens) who do not have a blood relative who is a Mason can be in Rainbow club.  They share the same lodges for the meetings.

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