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About the spelling checker, you was mis-quoting me, (It was Reason's quote).
If I misquoted you, I apologize for that. It was not intentional.
There are many things that one cannot really prove. Doesn't mean they aren't true. The idea that the moon is hollow is one example. I have read that it doesn't weigh near what it should based on soil density, & that during one of the moon landings one segment of the ship was dropped on the surface & sound detectors that were placed on the surface recorded a "bong" resonating sound for several minutes afterwards. Also some of the craters are 145 miles across, but none of them are more tham 3 miles deep. Some of them should be much deeper based on the estimated size of the asteroids that would have caused a crater that wide. Some speculate that because the moon is really a base made of titanium, the craters only go so deep. Also that the craters were actually made by nuclear devices fired at the moon in past wars.
It all sounds interesting. & it is. But unprovable at present. Terziski interviewed a girl who's father was a German scientist that worked inside
the moon. Hired during operation paperclip. Again, interesting, but very unprovable. What one does get when one assembles all this data is a theory that can be followed like leads in an investigation. Science itself often works in this way. Data is observed, theories are put forward then investigated. Cold fusion for a long time was debunked, but now is starting to be taken seriously as it has been produced in labs. It started with an idea
So to finish up, there are many things we don't understand as yet & speculating & offering theories regarding such is certainly harmless, & often productive. I fing the moon data interesting, but certainly don't offer it up as fact. I see little value in negative debunking & think it a good idea for us all to be sensitive to the ideas of others. If we think something is silly or dumb, we can pass on the topic. I like to think that sharing interesting data is what this forum is about. Not arguments & flameouts & such.
Voggmo, thanks a lot ! If you can give extra sources, please put them in !
Again I feel a big need to react:
With your comments given here and the given sources in the topic "Matrix built by Sirians" in the subforum "Aliens & Matrix", let me give my points/additions based on the named sources (thus not that I'm saying it is the truth !):
There are many things that one cannot really prove. Doesn't mean they aren't true.
The idea that the moon is hollow is one example.
I have read that it doesn't weigh near what it should based on soil density, & that during one of the moon landings one segment of the ship was dropped on the surface & sound detectors that were placed on the surface recorded a "bong" resonating sound for several minutes afterwards. Also some of the craters are 145 miles across, but none of them are more tham 3 miles deep. Some of them should be much deeper based on the estimated size of the asteroids that would have caused a crater that wide. Some speculate that because the moon is really a base made of titanium, the craters only go so deep. Also that the craters were actually made by nuclear devices fired at the moon in past wars.
The moon is an ex-spaceship of the Draco Empire, attacked by the Maldeks and probably aslo by the Atlanteans and Martians in nuclear and geomagnetic wars a long time ago.
Remnants of the Draco Empire have a base on Venus.
Behind the moon, since 1997 there is a second moon, (another spaceship of the Draco Empire returning back reclaiming the Earth on the Illuminati.)
Germany has a moonbase since 1947.
There are contacts between Germany and aliens of the Aldebaran star system.
These days the moon is the property of Germany and the USA/Israel.
There is a population on the moon with cloned Germanic soldiers/people all part of the defense system against the returning Draco Empire.
There had been transportations between Area 51 (Nevada) and the moon with the Aurora spaceship.
It all sounds interesting. & it is. But unprovable at present. Terziski interviewed a girl who's father was a German scientist that worked inside
the moon. Hired during operation paperclip. Again, interesting, but very unprovable. What one does get when one assembles all this data is a theory that can be followed like leads in an investigation. Science itself often works in this way. Data is observed, theories are put forward then investigated. Cold fusion for a long time was debunked, but now is starting to be taken seriously as it has been produced in labs. It started with an idea
Operation Paperclip is real, very real and admitted, but not well known.
It was a preparation on CIA's Mind-Control program MK-ULTRA.
The ELF/HAARP system on Alaska is part of the mind-control program, but is also helping as a defense system of the Illuminati against the Draco Empire.
So to finish up, there are many things we don't understand as yet & speculating & offering theories regarding such is certainly harmless, & often productive. I fing the moon data interesting, but certainly don't offer it up as fact. I see little value in negative debunking & think it a good idea for us all to be sensitive to the ideas of others. If we think something is silly or dumb, we can pass on the topic. I like to think that sharing interesting data is what this forum is about. Not arguments & flameouts & such.
You see, there is even a big debunking here without checking the many sources I gave on this forum.
But I only gave a tip of the iceberg here.
Thanks a lot again for your supporting comments.
Now I'm beginning to wonder where you get your sources from. I'm a pretty tolerable guy, but I at least want to believe that you're basing your ideas on something besides imagination. It's painful to think that this is all based on... I don't know what it's based on, but can it please be more than just thinking it up?
I think what's beginning to irk me is that you come back at people with these things and act like it's almost evident, and almost with an expectancy that we take it serious.
Imagine this scenario:
"See that chick?"
"Yeah. She's hot."
"Yeah, she wants me."
(Pause)
"Why do you think that?"
"She just does. I can tell."
"How?"
"Just believe me, dude."
It just rubs people the wrong way.
My bad. You gave your sources. At least I imagine that they're in the other thread. I still stand by my post that there comes a time, at least with the more incredible statements, that some basis for the thoughts has to be discussed.
There are many things that one cannot really prove. Doesn't mean they aren't true.
I think most conspiracies can't be really proved and I don't have a problem with that. I've been interested in conspiracies most of my life and as you say it's interesting, although I wouldn't say it's completely harmless. If you do nothing but immerse yourself in conspiracies then I think it can lead to a very fearful and extremely paranoid mindset, that loses the ability to discern fact from fiction, and I think that really is harmful.
But anyway, this thread is about 'ridiculous' conspiracies, not conspiracies in general, and I don't think any other word can be used to describe most of the crap that Atlantis has been coming out with lately. Talking about bases on the moon is not the same as talking about fleshing eating draco boogeymen preparing to invade us. Talking about Operation Paperclip is not the same as talking about Illuminati plans to transport humans to Titan etc.
Most conspiracies exist because there is at least some plausible information and/or reputable human sources to support the claims of conspiracy, and when such data exists then of course it should be discussed in a forum like this, regardless of whether it turns out to be true or not. But I would say that most of Atlantis' claims belong in Science Fiction. Or Pulp Fiction more like, because even most science fiction usually sounds plausible.
Andy
i have heard those things that atlantis talks about as well.
but i have still not decided whether or not i believe they are true.
my best approach to these kinds of things is to grab both extreme (opposite) ends of the spectrum, and fold them to the middle, and somewhere around that mid point is usually what is probably true.
also remembering that the universe maintains a balance helps you merge the opposite ends and find the dual/mirror images.
for example, i do believe that some of the craterchains on some of our planets and moons are not natural. there is extensive research by a select few who are pursuing this study.
i also believe in ancient civilisations such as Atlantis, or i guess i should say that i believe there is much more to our earth's history than we are told, or led to believe. most of u agree with that i think.
think about it:
if evil draco aliens are on there way to earth with intentions of taking over, then you can bet your bottom dollars that somewhere else a race of benevolent aliens are making there way here with intentions to create peace. its all balanced.
i mean u can hear both sides of this tale, from diff. places. theres two extreme opposite ends, these dracos are feeding on us, growing human bodies in vats, bla bla... while the other side is preaching about space angels rescuing us and enhancing our abilities thru genetics....
realize that the human psyche likes to exagerrate and boast.
also realize that our "leaders" and their governments have been tinkering with the human psyche as well.
heres another example:
The moon is an ex-spaceship of the Draco Empire, attacked by the Maldeks and probably aslo by the Atlanteans and Martians in nuclear and geomagnetic wars a long time ago.
Remnants of the Draco Empire have a base on Venus.
like i said i think there were wars that scarred planets here and there and the asteroid belt seems to be remnants of a blasted planet (maldek some call it)
Behind the moon, since 1997 there is a second moon, (another spaceship of the Draco Empire returning back reclaiming the Earth on the Illuminati.)
closest thing to this that ive read would be planet X, which could or could not be true. i used to be submersed in all the planet x stuff, but the interest has died down a long time ago. this to me makes me think it is not true, or not completely true.
Germany has a moonbase since 1947.
There are contacts between Germany and aliens of the Aldebaran star system.
these are two things i can believe.
These days the moon is the property of Germany and the USA/Israel.
There is a population on the moon with cloned Germanic soldiers/people all part of the defense system against the returning Draco Empire.
There had been transportations between Area 51 (Nevada) and the moon with the Aurora spaceship.
this here has way too much crunched together. and its probably utterly exaggerated.
you know what i think is really going on, in a nutshell?
i bet you that the dracos, or other people, are mining our planets for their resources.
thats what some of the intelligent crater chains point to.
heres a link to a research site on craterchains run by some nice and very intelligent people i met over a year ago:
http://www.craterchains.com/
i also bet that the dracos do not own the "grays" like everyone wants you to think. thats a ploy to trick you into thinking the dracos are ultra dominators and that if they own the Grays, we are for sure going to be owned by them. subliminal victim mentality programming.
if our thoughts manifest then why would we want to cloud our minds with all this negative draco conspiracy crap? shouldnt we be thinking or and reading up on benevolent techniques, positive technologies, and i guess thinking/hoping/praying for helpful aliens ?
lets learn about connecting with our Oversouls, our inner self.
lets learn of the positive things that the Atlanteans did.
and lets learn from their mistakes.
what do u say Atlantis ?
thanks Zonabi,
I'm standing very close to you in your latest comments.
i.e. The story of Draco Empire behind the moon, is also very unthinkable for me, BUT
Does that mean I must throw this away through the toilet, if ..... IF it can help in analyzing other "at first sight" "incredible" stories ?
I have a weighted reason to put some subjects on the desk.
I'm not just throwing popular Hollywood stuff.
If I didn't, or somebody else didn't because of fear being ridiculed,
than that's the worst we could get.
And what did I gained last days: i.e. extra info of poster Voggmo about Operation Paperclip in relation to a German moon base.
That's probably at least a way in getting puzzle pieces bit by bit.
Hello Atlantis. Library is closing, so don't have much time. One source was a book long out of print about the moon which I stupidly lent to a lady who never gave it back depite several attempts. It had nasa photos of domes & tracktor tracks & such, before nasa doctored moon photos. Terziski is the best source I know of. Will chat more with you later. Oh yes, one other little bit I heard at A Sean David Morton lecture. He said the Indians were tranported here in the moon. Again it's far out & interesting, but again I do not offer it up as concrete data. Just something I heard.
P.S. Morton puts out a lot of wild stuff. Some of it is perhaps valid, some of it bs. He said that the US would become separated into 13 different colonies & the capital would become Denver. He also said Japanese researchers put up infrared cameras around the sphinx & filmed a perpetual motion machine. I would love to see that film. Anyway, take it with a grain of salt.
P.S. Morton puts out a lot of wild stuff.
Some of it is perhaps valid, some of it bs. He said that the US would become separated into 13 different colonies & the capital would become Denver.
Swerdlow et all state there's a plan indeed to split the USA:
but as far as I know, in at least 4 parts:
i.e.
1. West with Denver as the Capital and Schwartzenegger probably as Dictator/President West
2. East (Atlanta, Hillary Clinton ?)
3. Texas as a new country (Bush/Cheney ?)
4. New York (UN); where the Empire State Building, gets it's real meaning:
Capitalbase of The (Galactic) Empire.
That's why Denver and Atlanta would have the biggest modern international airports these days.
Don't worry, these are just some plans named. Let's remind our free will.
Whoa there people!
I ve just finished reading this post and it astounds me that in a dicussion forum like this that we can label any conspiracy thoeries as being "ridiculous"!
I mean some of these theories may sound a little "far fetched" or unbelievable but i'm sure if we were to go around saying to everday people that we live in a controlled matrix system and entities from other dimensions suck and feed off our negative energy (what energy for some!?) and we are basically sheep or that everything one and the same and we are a part of this one energy, all that we believe to be true or feel to be true, what is discussed on this forum.
I know from experience that you would be labelled a complete fruitcake and thrown into a mental institution. (not that ive been in one)
We have to remember that what we discuss is of complete nonsense to the everyday Joe and Jo and they would see all this as being completely "ridiculous".
How do we know that this is all true, we have only gone on mostly gut feeling and a few things that we have read to come to a conclusion that all this is possible.
Whats to say that these theories cannot be possible, without any reference or credentials to prove that what may be.
We are only going on a feeling we have inside of ourselves that we know that there is something wrong with this world and have gathered all these "theories" as to what we believe, what makes what we believe so different to what theories (as this is all that anything can be, until "proven" otherwise) that Atlantis has suggested.
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE in the realm of the infinte, (we believe it is all infinite) so why cant the moon be an ex Draco spaceship, the planet Earth have a hollow centre with an internal sun and three planets with inhabital life, why cant there be a hostile race has had enough with us and wants to destroy/eat us (sometimes I don't blame them) or what if the universe is a galactic MCS Commercial/Industrial genectics factory where all genes of everything material are manufactured and sold to the highest bidding race and from that they create there own manufactured universes, galaxies, and planets etc, in a petrie(sp) dish.
But hey these are all theories and nothing is and ever has been stated as being true but what the most important thing we keep with ourselves is our IMAGINATION, and without our imagination we have nothing.
If something loses us maybe because its something that has never been presented to us before and to see something that is of a new thought and rejecting it is only the same as us trying to tell our friend of what we see/believe (MCS, STO's, STS's etc) and them going "NO F....N WAY, your completely of this planet mate, you'd better give me the phone no of your drug dealer/s to tell them to stop supplying you, you've completely lost it"!
Think about it.
CREATION IS IMAGINATION IN ACTION.
Mark 
I ve just finished reading this post and it astounds me that in a dicussion forum like this that we can label any conspiracy thoeries as being "ridiculous"!
I accept that I made a very bad choice in the naming of this thread, I definitely wasn't thinking too clearly on that day. My problem is not so much in how ridiculous these conspiracies sound, my problem is the complete lack of sources that Atlantis was providing (which in most cased was zero).
I'm open minded enough to believe just about anything if there's some kind of credible evidence or sources available. I just get annoyed when people come along and say all these things are true without giving one single reason as to why they might be true.
Perhaps the Dracos are real, and perhaps they really are planning on invading planet Earth next tuesday afternoon after they've had nice a cup of tea and biscuit. Just tell me who your sources are, and why those sources are credible.
I, on the other hand, don't care too much for credible sources. It doesn't change whether I ultimately believe anything. Personal experience and deduction are good enough for me. I admit that saying "this is true" irks me, but I would accept "I think this is true", because it means it's a process, not a conclusion. I would like to know why someone thinks a certain way, and it does pain my brain to see someone swallow something as absolute truth based on anything but personal experience or observation.
There's a big difference between
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE in the realm of the infinte, (we believe it is all infinite) so why cant the moon be an ex Draco spaceship ... But hey these are all theories and nothing is and ever has been stated as being true
and
The moon is an ex-spaceship of the Draco Empire, attacked by the Maldeks and probably aslo by the Atlanteans and Martians in nuclear and geomagnetic wars a long time ago.
Remnants of the Draco Empire have a base on Venus.Behind the moon, since 1997 there is a second moon, (another spaceship of the Draco Empire returning back reclaiming the Earth on the Illuminati.)
Germany has a moonbase since 1947.
There are contacts between Germany and aliens of the Aldebaran star system.
Regardless of what the actual truth of things may be, one of these statements is made with integrity -- speculation identified as such. The other is someone making matter-of-fact statements without one good reason supplied, statements made in defiance of the very concept of credibility.
The great masses of people have never and will never care about such minor details as intellectual integrity. In any such controversy, they will always rush to the defense of the apparent "victim" of an "attack," but those with eyes to see will recognize that in the present case there is no attack and no victim, merely a call by a few thinking people for accountability in each other's statements. Lower that standard, and we might as well move the conversation to an unmoderated Usenet group.
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