The thread for ridiculous conspiracies that no-one can prove (Page 1 of 3)

This is a complete topic abusing my name and efforts in conspiracy subjects, but I'm trained in handling personal attacks, so don't worry Lyra.

I've just put the SUBJECTS mentioned in the topic-start in an alter topic, to DISCUSS these subjects.

I've never stated these subjects as TRUTH, but as SUBJECTS to be discussed which I wanted to pay more attention to.

But never mind, it makes me clear again how strong the "Alice in Wonderland" Mind-Control Program is working in some good fellows.

So, I've no problem to keep this topic open.

I'm not affraid of people ridiculing me.

I agree with Lyra that the title of this thread was an unfortunate choice.  But I understand exactly the frustration which motivated it.

I have a bad habit of jumping into discussions about particular people's posts, and here goes again.   I hate risking giving the impression of having some kind of ego issue at stake.  Anyway, I censored myself yesterday in the other thread.  After posting an observation relating to Atlantis' comments I ended up deleting most of what I said afterwards, after deciding that it was probably better to just ignore statements I disagreed with.   Now we have an entire thread dedicated to discussing the issue, so I'll comment on the subject for better or worse.  I try to do so in good faith, for the purpose of arriving at truth, but it remains for the reader to judge whether I am successful.

What I see in this statement is a laundry-list of conspiracy subjects  followed by a suggestion that other people need to put "a lot of effort"  into studying them.    What I don't see is any serious attempt at discussion, any reason they should be discussed, or any sources being cited, and I simply don't get the impression of a sincere attempt to discuss the truth (or lack thereof) in any of them.   Some of these subjects have been previously discussed on NR  in passing, others seem wholly off-the-wall or irrelevant.

Atlantis, I can tell from your writing that you're an intelligent person.  Your statements, however, often contain unsubstantiated and outlandish claims, sometimes mixed in with quite relevant observations, done in a cavalier and superficial manner which strikes me as both odd and disturbing.   I get the bad feeling that the overall effect of your posts is tantamount to disinformation, regardless of whether or not that's your actual intent.    So I'm not sure whether you're just someone with very far-out interests or what, but I know for sure that the way you're going about discussing things is seriously lacking in intellectual and academic merit.

I think most of the readership here is aware of that.  I personally feel that if you want to start a discussion about an imminent attack by aliens from Draco, fine -- make an argument, tell us why you think that's plausible and if you have some kind of credible source, cite it.  I think the NR membership is incredibly open-minded to a wide variety of strange things and will gladly hear you out if you have something worthwhile to say.   No reasonable person, however, is interested in hearing about such bizarre things unless you have something with which to back it up.  If you insist on continuing to make statements that seem to be coming from out of left field, don't be surprised when people get upset with you.

I tend to agree.

Starting to lose you there, buddy.

Anyway I'm glad to see there may be some understanding gained here after all, and no hard feelings.

I don't think it's such a bad habit, your comments are nearly always well thought out and very welcome. I certainly appreciated your comments here

Really, that's not like you Lyra

Atlantis, you really need to have a think about what you're saying here. It seems to me that you're trying to use the short-comings of some scientists to try and justify the fact that you have no credible sources for any of the information you're presenting. As for your comment about "proven facts" well the only person here that's insisting they know the facts about nearly everything is yourself.

Anyway, scientists don't really rely on any of what you just stated. Scientists rely on their observations, what they can measure, quantify and experiments that are repeatable. For that reason you generally should trust what scientists say, because they don't lie.

The only problem I have with most scientists is that most of them seem very narrow minded and often fail to see the bigger picture. There's a lot of snobbery in science and new ideas are often quickly dismissed and ridiculed making it very difficult for younger more open-minded scientists to get funding for their research.

But make no mistake, there are many good scientists out there who are always open to new ideas and constantly pushing the boundaries of our knowledge further than what most people give them credit for. Books like "The Holograhic Universe" and particularly "The Field" talk about some of these scientists.

I never said it was a forum JUST for spirituality and metaphysics. I'm perfectly aware that there's a huge metaphysical conspiracy going on all around us. The matrix conspiracy is the entire subject of Stuart Wilde's latest book and if you've paid any attention to my posts then you'll have realised that I'm rather a big fan of Stuart's work.

However, there's a world of difference between discussing the spiritual aspects of the matrix conspiracy and discussing evil flesh eating aliens from planet Draco that are preparing to invade us any day now. Ditto the Illuminati's plans to make us all live on Titan. That kind of stuff belongs in Science fiction movies, and unless you can provide some very credible sources for that information then it's less than worthless. I think I can confidently speak for the vast majority of people in this forum and say we're not interested.

Whether you're conscious of it or not, what you're ultimately trying to do is spread fear with your posts, and personally I don't believe that has any place in a spiritual community, which is essentially what Noble Realms is. Fear is exactly what THEY want, and it's exactly what we shouldn't be giving them. Now I'm certainly not saying that everything has to be 'love and light' all the time. Clearly there's a lot of darkness in this world and it can't be swept under the carpet and ignored, but lets just try and stick to what's actually helpful shall we. I think you've yet to provide any information that's actually helpful to anyone. Creating a list of conspiracies is meaningless. Presenting 'factual' information without sources is meaningless, unless of course you're stating an opinion or a belief. Just remember than an opinion or a belief is not necessarily fact or truth.

Ultimately, we're all here to learn. I think all of us in this forum have woken up to the matrix conspiracy but I think the question most of us have on our minds is what happens next? Where do we go from here? And I seriously don't think the answer is Titan.

Personally I don't care who I learn from, or what the truth turns out to be. I'm open minded enough to believe just about anything just so long as you can provide credible sources, and so far you've consistantly failed to do that. No-one in this forum knows anything about you or who you are, so why should we believe anything you say? For all we know YOU could be a member of the Illuminati. So unless you can start providing us with credible sources I don't think anyone here is going to take anything you say seriously.

Well I shall look forward to hearing about the Intergalactic plans of the Illuminati just please provide your sources of information.

When you've done that, I'll tell you about the Intergalactic plans of Ayahuasca. I have big plans for the universe and I will not be letting the Illuminati get in the way of them

Andy

This is a response to a post Atlantis just made in the "Holographic Fake Scenarios Coming" thread.  I'm moving my response here to this thread to avoid further contaminating that one.

I believe that the consensus was that you should consider backing up your statements, not by "givin' not to much information," as you put it.  That seemed very clear, I think, and it was just a day ago.  Having memory trouble, are we?

I'll state for a second time that I still don't see you offering any reason at all why your particular favorite subjects should get any attention at all.  Instead of "shaking the tree," let's hear a good reason why you think the Draco Evil Empire is about to attack Earth.  No?   Perhaps you're just sitting there chuckling to yourself at how you've draw n another NR user astray to waste their time replying to your silliness instead of doing something more important with their time.   

Here you are saying that 1) you can't tell whether your own story is truth or not and have "NO proofs" (emphasis yours) yet 2) you're very convinced of it and are able to give exact details of what will happen (!)    Based on your own statements, I think it's fair to say you have a fatal flaw in your thought processes and are utterly lacking in credibility.

Hints?  What?  Didn't many of us strongly suggest to you, just one day ago, to give some basis -- something -- to support your theories?  What are these "hints" to which you refer?

You might take some of your own advice.  I'd suggest a grammar-checker as well.

You said the same thing the other day, and others already responded to you on this point.  But you weren't paying attention, were you?  No, of course not.  Perhaps you just want to keep the same circular nonsense going on as long as you can get away with.   That's a game I've seen certain types play before, and it wouldn't be the first time it's been played here.

I think I'm about done with you, Atlantis.

I didn't voice any comment about Atlantis' posts until the other day, because I agree that different people acting in good faith can come to different conclusions.  If, however, over a course of time, a pattern becomes clear that someone is being willfully thick, or worse, intentionally disruptive, you must then call them out to answer for themselves.   To put it another way, if you don't pull up the weeds, you'll have a jungle instead of a garden.    In this case, the weeding consists of asking a user to please either state a coherent basis for their claims, or to clearly mark them as speculation.    So, there's no need for anyone to ignore anyone else; after all, the whole point of a public forum is to encourage discourse and debate.   As far as I am concerned it is a worthy exercise.