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Topic: 3d versus 4d versus 5d

I read in Michiko Kaku's book Hyperspace this great explanation.  He describes how a 2d person would experience a 3d hand coming through their world:

This cross section of skin and blood and bones would move through his 2d world.  It would come and go and when he told his other 2d friends about it they would say "You're crazy, there's nothing beyond 2d, it's obvious, look around you!"

Now, as for trying to understand 4d from a 3d perspective.....
my gut instinct says that 4d is here on top of 3d, it's just sort of "deeper".
I imagine that if I could go "deeper" into the space in front of me I would be in 4d.

I know "I" visit other dimensions all the time.  In the past few months I have had two different friends tell me that I haunted them at night, I came as a ghost to their room.  My ex-boyfriend had a recurring dream about me before we met, and I sent him a really nasty one when we broke up.  I enter the dreams of friends frequently, often with strong symbolic messages.

I cannot control it yet so much but I am learning.  I think my Higher Self is slowly prepping me to control it.

But can anyone give me a visual or a nice verbal explanation of the differences between 3d and 4d and even 5d?

I have also seen some of these physical models of other dimensions which look like crazy biochem sets crafted into cool shapes.  I was told to stare at them to understand other dimensions.....it didn't click for me.

Can anybody offer ideas that might help it click for me visually?

2 Reply by wandering1 (edited by wandering1 2004-12-14 21:15:19)

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Re: 3d versus 4d versus 5d

For me, it is helpful to think of 3d, 4d, and 5d as levels, densities, or dimensions of consciousness, rather than as spatial dimensions.

As perception moves from 3d to 4d to 5d, I think that more of the oneness is included.

In shorthand, I have heard 3d described as the beginnings of self-awareness, 4d as love, 5d as contemplation, and 6d as unity.  7d might be unity which includes everyone in this universe.

When thinking of love in 4d, this can be love of self or love of others.  I do like Zonabi's suggestion of service to all as a domain that includes service to self and service to others.

In terms of visual images, I imagine a more ethereal existence as one moves up the levels.  Of course, a person could choose dense physicality in 4d, but that would be a choice rather than a primary condition of that density, as it is in 3d.

4d might be more like being in the clouds with varieties of forms based on intention.  Using thought, a person could create the look and feel of their own form and the look and smell and sound of the scenery around them.

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Re: 3d versus 4d versus 5d

Mmm,

So to think of them as states of consciousness rather than physical states?

That would make sense in terms of my astral travels/obes/lucid dreams/and "involuntary" hauntings of poor unsuspecting friends.

If 4d is LOVE then this could be pulling me to visit loved ones far away.

4 Reply by Neomatrix (edited by Neomatrix 2004-12-14 23:16:13)

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Re: 3d versus 4d versus 5d

tillibullu wrote:

Mmm,

So to think of them as states of consciousness rather than physical states?

Well, the physical states are a state of consciousness. The dimensions of space and time are dimensions existing within consciousness. ALL is consciousness. Even the quantum physicists will tell you that smile

I'm not exactly sure of how the levels are all organized. One of the more popular theories says that there are three lower, physical densities; then the astral buffer/bridge which is fourth density; then three higher, spiritual densities above that. So, seven densities in all. Each density consists of seven sub-planes, so forty-nine planes in total. Human consciousness exists in third density, then moves into fourth upon death. From here it can choose to come back down to experience another physical life, or ascend to the higher spiritual densities and re-unite with it's Higher Self.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

5 Reply by heandras (edited by heandras 2004-12-15 04:35:05)

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Re: 3d versus 4d versus 5d

tillibullu wrote:

Now, as for trying to understand 4d from a 3d perspective.....
my gut instinct says that 4d is here on top of 3d, it's just sort of "deeper". I imagine that if I could go "deeper" into the space in front of me I would be in 4d.

mhhh...as you stated from the book "Hyperspace" a 2d-world is an infinite small slice of a 3D-world. same with 4D. The 4th dimension we cannot understand and handle is time, I think. So you must not go "deeper" but you must be able to "stretch" your consciousness from the infinite past to the infinite future and look from "above" it. You would see and may change everything that "has" is and "will be" in 3D-world. Therefore 4D-beings are able to manipulate past so easily. If one would unterstand the 4D-view at a 3D-world fully, I think one wouldn't be here wink ...that lesson would have been learned.
P.D. Ouspensky explains that kind of stuff quite good in his book "Tertium Organum" - had been a real eye-opener to me.

wandering1 wrote:

In shorthand, I have heard 3d described as the beginnings of self-awareness, 4d as love, 5d as contemplation, and 6d as unity.  7d might be unity which includes everyone in this universe

The C's stated that 4th density feels like love. Maybe it feels only for 3D-beeings like this? I think about that this way because I think of the chakras as some kind of connection point to the various densities. The heart-chakra then connects the 3D-centered body to 4th density. The heart-chakra also is the center of "higher" emotional love in 3D-world. So, maybe, if one receives energy from 4D it always feels like love. ...after all it seems to be right to state that 4D is the density of love. I have some difficulties imagine love not as love of others but love of self... roll
I just wondered how a 2D-being would perceive a sudden boost of 3D-energy... Maybe it would gain some kind of enlightment like "hey, I AM EXISTING - I never recognized that before"  big_smile

I agree with Neo's statement about the states of consciousness. Living as a 3D-being means you are a "soul-fragment" of prime creator that has it's focus of consciousness in 3D-world, that is just a way of perceiving creation.

A man is born gentle and weak. At his death he is hard and stiff.
Green plants are tender and filled with sap. At their death they are withered and dry.
Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of death. The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life.
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This is such an interesting subject! I've explored this concept for quite some time now, trawled thru much overtly new age-y diversions, and found a few concepts that really CLICKED. Here goes: Alot of the dimensional discussion appears focusssed on the 2012 question-what will happen? Will we "die", are cataclysmic events likely? The end of time etc. Though by no means definitive, a couple of potentialities really resonated with me. Firstly, one of the greatest challenges of 3rd density appears daily as the "time lag" or delay between your soul's prime intentionality, expressed as a thought, idea, dream etc being brought to conscious awareness, metaphormed into visual symbols, and cosnciously agreed upon as desirable/necessary.For whatever reasoning shaped by your current reality tunnel (love that term!)- the active thoughtform begins its journey throughout the realms as a creative commandment mustering- vibrationally and electrically bonding with any and all available elements to manifest the "order"- for better or worse... My understanding of the impending so-called "ascension" is that one (or many) of the "veils of Maya" to lift at this apparently pre-destined time will be the removal of "Time" between your thought (intention) and the manifestation of same into the physical- "careful what you wish for" takes on a whole new meaning!!!
               This would be one of many by-products of "the end of TIME"- more likely our RELATIONSHIP to "time" - Christian dogma would read it as the END OF THE WORLD- shame someone in the Piso's took the white-out to "...as we know it..." but there you go...

...would the last person to leave please turn out the enlightenment?...

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Re: 3d versus 4d versus 5d

Thought this quote might help the thread.

Higher Forces Session 640 wrote:

Forces: There are 7 dimensions in total. You occupy the 3rd and 4th dimension.

Q: Is the 7th dimension physical?

Forces: No, it is not physical at all.

Q: So are these beings occupying bodies of earthlings?

Forces: No, not at all. But they exist as two races. Superior over all, in a dome shape.

Q: In a dome shape?

Forces: ‘Dona’ shape.

Q: What is Dona?

Forces: ‘Dona’.

Q: ‘Dona’?

Forces: ‘Dona’ shape is the name of the race.

Q: Oh, and the other races the other 47?

Forces: They all exist in the other 5 dimensions.

Q: Which of them are physical, how many of them are physical?

Forces: We would say a majority of them except for three of those.

Q: And five that are mean to us, how many of them are physical?

Forces: All.

Q: It doesn’t speak well of us, does it.

Forces: Well, it is also that they come in and out of the 5th and the 4th, more so, dimension to the 3rd.

Q: So, 5th dimension has still physicality to it?

Forces: Yes, but not of the 4th or the 3rd. For the 4th, and the 3rd goes into the 4th, the 4th then elevates to the 5th.

Q: And the 4th, is notQuite physical right, it’s astral?

Forces: 4th is both, etheric, astral, and physical.

Q: Which part of the fourth is physical? That we would recognize?

Forces: As far as percentage?

Q: No, as far as appearance or as far as manifestation?

Forces: A lot.

Q: Well, because I know…

Forces: In a dream level that you go to is the fourth dimension that you enter.

Q: I see, so oh, so it’s still considered physical, the dream state in that case?

Forces: Yeah, we would say so, but of a different nature physical.

Q: Right, and the fifth one is?

Forces: It’s radiating back and forth, the 3rd and the 4th always radiates back and forth.

Q: And the fifth one?

Forces: The fifth one is of a different nature and vibrational scale.

Q: And also physical?

Forces: It doesn’t necessarily have to be physical, but it radiates to the 4th.

Q: And when it radiates to the 4th, the manifestation of that would be a dream level or…

Forces: Through a dream or impression or sensation or impulse level.

Full Session

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  • Registered: 2004-08-16

Re: 3d versus 4d versus 5d

read:

Flatland : A Romance of Many Dimensions
by Edwin Abbott (sp?)

to understand the seperate vintage points you speak of.

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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Tillibullu wrote:

I know "I" visit other dimensions all the time.  In the past few months I have had two different friends tell me that I haunted them at night, I came as a ghost to their room.

Sounds like you're astrally projecting. I've always wondered what level of reality astral and etheric phenomena take place. Fourth density? Fifth?

The best I can conclude so far is that within each density are sub-octaves. So when you're in your astral or etheric body, detached from your physical, your consciousness is located in the next suboctave up - a step or two beyond sheer physical but still within third density. This accounts for the the idea that 4D consciousness requires some evolution or graduation, but that astral projection can be done by anyone giving it practice. Also, accounts of etheric and astral being often indicate their consciousness, generally speaking, is not necessarily of a higher density. Rather they are simply beings existing under a different set of rules than we are accustomed to in this world. This issue of "inner planes" and "timespace" still confuses me, at least in regards to how it relates to density classification.

It's been reported that while etheric or astral, one can sometimes see grays and other "alien" types lurking -- Stuart Wilde gave some accounts of this. Are these beings then seen in their natural 4D state, or did they project themselves into 3D albeit at a higher sub-octave to escape our usual perceptions? Some questions I've been pondering...

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10 Reply by bumblebee (edited by bumblebee 2004-12-15 16:17:08)

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Re: 3d versus 4d versus 5d

hi montalk, i recommend robert bruce for his explanation of the distinction between lucid  dreaming and astral projection or the different layers between physciality, astral and etheric.
Astral Dynamics, a new approach to out of body experiences, Robert Bruce.

A Robert Bruce classic:
Treatise On Astral Projection

Robert Bruce also relates encounters with non-human entities.

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Re: 3d versus 4d versus 5d

montalk wrote:

Sounds like you're astrally projecting. I've always wondered what level of reality astral and etheric phenomena take place. Fourth density? Fifth?

I think that etheric phenomena takes place on nonphysical third density, astral on fourth density.

montalk wrote:

This issue of "inner planes" and "timespace" still confuses me, at least in regards to how it relates to density classification.

A density is a group of seven inner planes, or seven sub-octaves. Time-space, which is where we are right now, is made up of the first three densities.

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It makes sense to me that a density level can be divided into sub-octaves.  Also, I agree that events such as out of body travel are possible in the upper sub-octaves of the 3rd density.

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Re: 3d versus 4d versus 5d

Different dimensions are merely different frequency bands.  Just like a Television with its many stations each broadcasting at different frequencies.  You can see the channel you are tuned into but you cannot see the many other channels without tuning into it frequency bands.  These bands are made up of different rates of vibration.
There are 15 dimensions divided into 5 harmonic Universes and each Harmonic has three dimensions.  The first harmonic universe is made up of dimensions 1-3, the second harmonic universe is made up of dimensions 4-6 and so on.  However each dimension embodies the dimensions below it.
Our Time Matrix is made up of both a particle and an anti-particle double giving this Time Matrix 24 dimensions.
If we were to raise our conciousness to the frequency band of the higher dimensions we could see into them and become a part of that dimension which would give us the ability to change events in this dimension.
All that exists is energy and energy never dies it merely changes form.
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