61 (edited by morningsun76 2004-12-19 17:19:40)

Re: Everything You've Been Told About the "Grays" is Bunk

Some random blabbering on this thread:

One of my friends likes the maxim "listen to the one who is searching for Truth.  Never trust the one who has found it."    I think that's good advice.

As far as David Icke goes:  Showing pictures of war casualties has no bearing on the moral issues behind the war, or which side may or not be more in the right.   Using photos of dead children is an appeal to emotion and I think it's pretty reprehensible.   I tend to like David overall but suffice it to say I think his work needs to be taken with an entire shaker of salt.   He continues to tout the "we create our own reality" idea when I think he should have known for a long time now that things are not quite so simple.   That makes me uneasy about listening to him at all.  Something is not right there .. quite possibly intentional deception.   Listening to him on the radio, I must say I have always enjoyed listening to him and agreed with most of what he has to say.  So who knows....

The one-year timetable:  we may see another major attack on the U.S. soon... it might be a necessary step in order to justify the draft which we all know is supposed to start soon now.  Hopefully not and they implement it through a process of gradualism alone but we need to be prepared.

Personal opinion on the NWO itself:   regardless of the Con, it's a necessary and inevitable step in the evolution of human society and government.  Especially with the advanced technology and weaponry humankind has developed, it's an absolute necessity to get past this current state of artificial borders keeping people apart and having too many separate systems and different leaders with fingers on the trigger.   I'm happy to see borders dissolving because in and of themselves they're an offense to human freedom.  It's just a shame that soon your microchip will track you to make sure you're every movement is approved.   The point being global government in and of itself is an excellent idea, but it should be a world system based on the absolute protection of the human rights of every individual, not the turning of all humanity into soulless slaves, which is the way we sure seem to be going.

Cashless society: the infrastructure is already in place obviously, and since the main objection to this is based on privacy, anyone who speaks out against it will be seen as "hiding something" and singled out for special monitoring.    You KNOW that when the official Newspeak comes out in another decade or two, "privacy" will be one of the first banned words.  My personal stance right now is that I don't give a damn .. let them watch me if they really care so much.  If there really is a Higher Power protecting me, then I have nothing to worry about, and if there isn't, well then I'm powerless against the system anyway and so they'll do with me as they please, so in that case there's no POINT in worrying about it.  So I'll just go on and live my life and hell with them all.   I'll read whatever extreme books and websites I want to read, and I'll post my picture on a public webforum where I'm talking about this stuff, and not think twice about it.   I still have a lot of things to figure out in this life but one thing that I am fairly certain of right now, if nothing else, is that by staying true and keeping this particular attitude, I am doing exactly what I as supposed to be doing from a spiritual perspective and no negative anyone can mess with me.  THEY'RE the ones who will have some serious answering to do when the time comes.  I seriously believe that those who sell out to the System in this lifetime place their souls in grave jeopardy.   I've already had enough experiences to move from an agnostic standpoint to a sure knowing that there is a lot more going on in this world than meets the eye, so I don't feel silly saying any of that.  Those that still have doubts, well, you should at least keep an open mind and not dismiss things just because YOU have never experienced them.  One thing about spiritual phenomena is that, for the most part, they're definitely NOT subject to scientific proof. 

End of transmission.

62 (edited by Neomatrix 2004-12-19 18:16:18)

Re: Everything You've Been Told About the "Grays" is Bunk

lyra wrote:

Maybe because they are already here, and have existed along with this planet for a very long "time."   I don't know, just a theory.   I'm still leary of the idea that they fly here from distant planets in actual craft.

Yeah, me too. Something doesn't quite ring true with that idea, but I can't quite put my finger on what exactly it is about it that bothers me.

lyra wrote:

Well, all I can say is, you're not them, nor can you profess to know how they would see things, let alone what they would "no doubt" find to be "quite unimporant."

Heh. Sorry, but I'm gonna have to use your tactic against you here. I said that *I thought* that they would find us unimportant. Hence, this is my own opinion. I'm not stating it as any objective fact and nor would I do so. That said however, I have my own reasons for thinking this way.

lyra wrote:

And boring?   Well, I don't see humans as being boring at all, and this isn't "ego" or "self importance" talking - I happen to think all life on Earth is utterly fascinating, especially when you realize that the other 8 known planets don't have anything that as of yet comes close to this planet.   But we're all entitled to our opinions.

Well, you're a human, and see things from a human perspective. Perhaps you find life here fascinating. So okay, nothing wrong with that at all. Now, imagine you are a member of a highly technologically advanced civilization. You can manipulate matter and energy at will. You can travel between dimensions and into parallel realities. You are, from a human perspective, near God-like. What interest would such beings have in us lowly humans? Do you really think that we have anything that they could want?

lyra wrote:

I wouldn't necessarily say that the Grays have "culture".....    wink

Really? I hear that they put on wonderful cabaret shows back home on Zeta Reticuli wink

lyra wrote:

Well, nobody can say for certain how it all works, and what's involved for them to be able to exist here in 3D on a part time basis.   We have no idea what the physiology is, what they would have to do in order to remain physical and solid while in 3rd.   So while we can wonder if it's all fear mongering, we also can't disprove it either.

True, but the mechanics of it still don't assign a good reason for them being here in the first place.

lyra wrote:

Well, what kind of logic is that?   Just because you don't find something interesting or appealing, therefore, why would anybody else? That's just bad logic.

What kind of logic? Well, see above. Do you really think that humans and their petty dramas would really be viewed as anything more than childlike and primitive by a significantly advanced culture?

lyra wrote:

No, not really.  I've had a very interesting life, and have seen many bizarre things.  I'm also very open to the ideas of things, so no, I wouldn't have found it ludicrous it all.  Shocking, yes, sad, yes, but ludicrous......?  No.    Not at all.

Okay. Perhaps your life has been a bit more interesting than mine wink

lyra wrote:

I'm not saying they would create this scenario overnight "out of a hat."   Maybe that wasn't clear or conveyed well the way I wrote it.  I'm saying that they would choose to hold off on using it until the last possible minute, if they can help it.   Meaning, they have multiple options to choose from.  This one would be a highly effective, albeit pretty crazy one to use, and probably a last resort.

Gotcha.

lyra wrote:

"Then it really does".....that's interesting.   I have to say that I disagree with you here.

Okay.

lyra wrote:

And, where did I say it had anything to fear, anywhere, including 3rd density?  I never said that.   Not sure what your point is with this.  That's just sort of thrown in there and doesn't fit what I said.

Not at all. It is very relevant to what I am saying. You are implying that there are higher forces out there that pretty much rewrite chunks of human history if they aren't happy with the original intended outcome. So, what are they afraid of? Whilst I think that humans occasionally get a little help at an individual level, rewriting history would be a complete violation of causality.

lyra wrote:

You're missing the point.   If someone wants to take someone out who they are not allowed to take out, it ain't gonna happen, period.   There will be interference, every step of the way...................including "Time Line Rearrangement."  You see what I'm driving at here?

Yep, I see what you're driving at. You're pretty much saying that some higher entities out there have a "we know best" dictatorial mentality, and feel it is their right to interfere in the natural course of events down here? Wouldn't that be a clear violation of the free will that you seemed to be so attached to earlier on?

lyra wrote:

It's no longer a matter of "Grab another gun!!!  Grab whatever weapon you have around and do the job!!!"    the timeline will be altered.   It will be "erased", reversed, not allowed to happen.  Period.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree here. How is this idea that you are espousing any different than, for example, the Illuminati attempting to control world events for their benefit? Or is it just okay now because this alleged controlling factor has a perceived "positive" intention as opposed to the Illuminati's "negative" one?

lyra wrote:

What good is "grabbing another gun!!!  grab a stick of wood!!!!'  when something much larger than that can just roll their eyes, shake their heads, and rearrange the timeline to put things back on track?

Eh? Back on whose track?

lyra wrote:

How do I know this to be?   Because I've seen it.  Or, I've seen what I have no other explanation for other than the terms "intervention" and "time line rearrangement."

Intervention, okay. Your Higher Self may give you such help and assistance as it can during your physical sojourn. Timeline rearrangement wouldn't be something you could see. If indeed it ever actually happened, you would be quite unaware of it.

lyra wrote:

I never meant to imply that anybody is solely responsible for the awakening of another.   But people do play their roles in this 3D game, whether you personally believe that or not.   And there are definitely people who are intinsically linked to many others and whose role is "important" here.

Sure, people play their roles, but no one here is any more important than anyone else.  Or do you think that David Icke is somehow better than some other person just because of certain functions he chooses to perform whilst here?

lyra wrote:

Are you claiming to know for a fact that the "victims" didn't agree ahead of time to die in those circumstances?    That they didn't have their karmic reasons for the death they chose?     Sounds to me like you're saying that you know what people's life plans are and can see behind the veil and know what's going on behind the scenes.

Nope, that is what you are saying. I think perhaps you have a problem with the inherent randomness of life here, and need to view people who died as having previously agreed to do so else it "just ain't right" because they would be seen as victims. We only see people as victims when we place human existence as more fundamental than spiritual existence. If we place spiritual reality as primary then victimhood cannot exist because nothing has been lost. And whilst we can agree to try and perform specific tasks before incarnation, that isn't by any means a guarantee that this will happen. Even the limited free will that we humans enjoy means that such guarantees would be rendered impossible.

lyra wrote:

The neverending Middle East dramas, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and anything else we're bombarded with in the media.  I finally came to the realization this year that there is some higher game / drama being played out here and there is nothing we can do about it.   I have sympathy for the suffering, I wish it didn't have to be this way, I wish all of us souls would realize we don't have to keep coming back here and doing this over and over again........but I finally understand that we all chose it.

We chose to come here and experience it, sure.

lyra wrote:

Everybody chose to be here, chose their lives, their deaths and everything in between.     It's all a part of the 3D game.   It's about taking responsibility for one's life, death, actions and words.

Taking responsibility: great, wonderful. But how can we do that if some higher density know-it-all is rewriting chunks of human history to suit it's own purposes?

lyra wrote:

To say what you wrote that "those poor buggers" are "all cannon fodder" negates the fact that there are no victims  Not in the true sense of the word.

I can have sympathy for their earthly sufferings at the hands of the global elite without viewing them as victims. It is a predatory world this one, and much of what happens as a result can and often does provoke intense emotional responses. Nothing wrong with that.

lyra wrote:

We all are completely responsible for what happens to us, for our incarnations and what we do.........and where / how we die.   You may not understand why another chose the death that they did, in fact, they may even come across to you as being "victimized", poor "cannon fodder",  but you're stuck here in linear 3rd time.  How can you possibly know what the bigger picture is and what the bigger reason is?   You can't.

We are responsible simply because we are choosing to come here to experience life. We didn't have to come here, after all. But you are insinuating that the only way we can be responsible for our experience here is if everything that happens is only in line with some pre-incarnational master plan. Not so.

lyra wrote:

Um, cause maybe that intervention was agreed to and even asked for ahead of "time" ?   wink

But then who's doing the asking, and why?

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

63 (edited by lyra 2004-12-20 09:46:32)

Re: Everything You've Been Told About the "Grays" is Bunk

Neomatrix wrote:

Well, you're a human, and see things from a human perspective. Perhaps you find life here fascinating. So okay, nothing wrong with that at all. Now, imagine you are a member of a highly technologically advanced civilization. You can manipulate matter and energy at will. You can travel between dimensions and into parallel realities. You are, from a human perspective, near God-like. What interest would such beings have in us lowly humans? Do you really think that we have anything that they could want?

And you seem to be seeing it through a lens of "Well, only that which is technologically advanced is interesting."   I think all life is interesting, you seem to be saying that only that which is highly advanced and technologically superior is interesting.  Two viewpoints.  And probably neither one is the way that they actually see it.  wink


Neomatrix wrote:

  Really? I hear that they put on wonderful cabaret shows back home on Zeta Reticuli wink

Okay, I laughed.  big_smile


Neomatrix wrote:

What kind of logic? Well, see above. Do you really think that humans and their petty dramas would really be viewed as anything more than childlike and primitive by a significantly advanced culture?

....if the only thing they chose to focus on is the petty dramas, and our "childlike primitiveness", then sure, I can see your point.   What a lousy, primitive, uninteresting childlike bunch of unevolved primates we are.  What good are we for?   Who cares, skip on by us and go to the next planet.  But what about all that is good and positive and beautiful about us and the rest of life on this planet?    No offense, but based on many of your posts I've read, you seem to only see what's ugly and wrong with everything.   The glass seems to always be half empty with you.   There's a very negative spin to many of your posts.   I believe ermolai used the term "nihilistic" on another thread to describe the mentality.   So sure, choose to focus on "humans and their petty dramas" and everything that's wrong and stupid and primitive about us which obviously makes us unworthy of being of interest to any sort of advanced race,  but I'll be off trying to focus on what's right and good, because trust me, there is plenty that is good about us, and all life on this planet.  You can choose to see only what's wrong and ugly, or you can choose to have a more balanced view.   It's up to you.


Neomatrix wrote:

Yep, I see what you're driving at. You're pretty much saying that some higher entities out there have a "we know best" dictatorial mentality, and feel it is their right to interfere in the natural course of events down here? Wouldn't that be a clear violation of the free will that you seemed to be so attached to earlier on?

And who would those "higher entities" be? 

Us.  Our own higher selves.    Not some separate entity, "violating freewill" as you inferred.  Us.  How do I know it's us?  Because when I've asked for help and intervention and protection or advise from my higher self, I get it.  I make sure to specify that it's my positive STO higher self.  And I get it.   A long time ago when I was a kid being raised with pseudo-Christian ideals, I was taught to "pray to God" for help and answers.   Well, I did, I tried that, and never had any luck.  To be honest, I had no idea who I was supposed to be talking to.  wink  big_smile   But years later, once I had some sort of idea of my own "future self", my own higher self oversoul, whatever you want to call it, which is outside of time and is "me" in my entirety, I tried adddressing my questions and problems to that......and BAM!  I got a response!  It was amazing.  So that's who I'm referring to, our own higher self oversoul.   I firmly believe that if you reach out to your higher self and ask for protection, intervention, help, etc.....(but while also being willing to pull your own weight....) then you'll get it.   


Neomatrix wrote:

I think we'll have to agree to disagree here. How is this idea that you are espousing any different than, for example, the Illuminati attempting to control world events for their benefit? Or is it just okay now because this alleged controlling factor has a perceived "positive" intention as opposed to the Illuminati's "negative" one?

No need to disagree, see above comment.  I think the disagreement is born out of lack of clarity on my part in explaining "who" was behind the intervention and protection that I was talking about.  Maybe now it makes more sense.  If you still disagree though, that's fine, no worries.


Neomatrix wrote:

IEh? Back on whose track?

See above.


Neomatrix wrote:

Intervention, okay. Your Higher Self may give you such help and assistance as it can during your physical sojourn. Timeline rearrangement wouldn't be something you could see. If indeed it ever actually happened, you would be quite unaware of it.

And how did I know that you would say that?   wink  Assumptions, assumptions.  Instead of giving me the chance to explain myself or share my story which would illustrate my point, you immediately jumped to this conclusion.  Interesting.  Don't be so quick to think you know everything, especially when you haven't even asked for further explanation / elaboration.


Neomatrix wrote:

Sure, people play their roles, but no one here is any more important than anyone else.

....and why do you think I made sure to put the word "important" in quotes?   (and how did I know you would say this too?)   


Neomatrix wrote:

Or do you think that David Icke is somehow better than some other person just because of certain functions he chooses to perform whilst here?

Did I say that?   That's your conclusion, not mine.   smile


Neomatrix wrote:

Nope, that is what you are saying. I think perhaps you have a problem with the inherent randomness of life here,

Do I?   smile  Or is that your own projection, and more assumptions?


Neomatrix wrote:

and need to view people who died as having previously agreed to do so else it "just ain't right" because they would be seen as victims.

Maybe my conclusion / theory arrived from much thought on the matter, looking at all angles and possibilities.   I'm a big proponent of "See what's actually there, not what you want to see."   So why assume that it's because I "have a problem with the inherant randomness..." blah blah blah?   Again, interesting that instead of asking me why I believe what I do and how I arrived at that conclusion, you instead just jumped to a quick knee jerk assumption, end of story.   


Neomatrix wrote:

Taking responsibility: great, wonderful. But how can we do that if some higher density know-it-all is rewriting chunks of human history to suit it's own purposes?

"Higher density know it all"...............again, please see above comments regarding the Higher Self which should hopefully clear up this misunderstanding once and for all.  You don't have to agree / believe what I do concerning the Higher Self and intervention, and we can agree to disagree on the matter, but at least you'll know what I'm referring to now and things will be cleared up.



Neomatrix wrote:

  We are responsible simply because we are choosing to come here to experience life. We didn't have to come here, after all. But you are insinuating that the only way we can be responsible for our experience here is if everything that happens is only in line with some pre-incarnational master plan. Not so.

I'm a little confused about what you're saying here.  If you want to elaborate more, then I can address it.



Neomatrix wrote:

But then who's doing the asking, and why?

Alright, well, I thought that was obvious but I guess not.  smile   Us.  Here and now, when we ask for protection, intervention or advise.  (see above comments about this.)

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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64 (edited by Neomatrix 2004-12-20 12:54:50)

Re: Everything You've Been Told About the "Grays" is Bunk

lyra wrote:

And you seem to be seeing it through a lens of "Well, only that which is technologically advanced is interesting."   I think all life is interesting, you seem to be saying that only that which is highly advanced and technologically superior is interesting.  Two viewpoints.  And probably neither one is the way that they actually see it.  wink

All life is interesting, okay. But that still doesn't explain why any advanced culture would wish to come here and tamper with us and our evolution. Quite frankly there would just be a whole lot more interesting action elsewhere, unless you really think that us human beings are the center of the universe? Also, I'm not saying the technology is interesting in itself. I'm saying that what could be done with the technology would be very interesting, much more so than anything going on down here. Humans are important to humans, but that doesn't mean that they'd be viewed as important to anyone else. That is simply my point here. I'm not stating this as a fact; it is -- once again -- just the way I see it.

lyra wrote:

....if the only thing they chose to focus on is the petty dramas, and our "childlike primitiveness", then sure, I can see your point.   What a lousy, primitive, uninteresting childlike bunch of unevolved primates we are.  What good are we for?   Who cares, skip on by us and go to the next planet.  But what about all that is good and positive and beautiful about us and the rest of life on this planet?    No offense, but based on many of your posts I've read, you seem to only see what's ugly and wrong with everything.   The glass seems to always be half empty with you.   There's a very negative spin to many of your posts.

Okay. I think I smell an issue here, which is coloring over your perceptions of what I'm actually saying.

lyra wrote:

I believe ermolai used the term "nihilistic" on another thread to describe the mentality.   So sure, choose to focus on "humans and their petty dramas" and everything that's wrong and stupid and primitive about us which obviously makes us unworthy of being of interest to any sort of advanced race,  but I'll be off trying to focus on what's right and good, because trust me, there is plenty that is good about us, and all life on this planet.  You can choose to see only what's wrong and ugly, or you can choose to have a more balanced view.   It's up to you.

I never said that I didn't see anything of value with the human race. I do. In fact in previous posts here, I've said that there is a LOT of value in being human. How is that in any way negative? And sure, I see the good as well as the bad. But it isn't a balanced view, no. It isn't a 50/50 thing. I see more bad than good on a global scale, and that's just the way it is as far as I'm concerned. Just a part of the teaching mechanism in effect here. And by the way, being nihilistic means that one sees no value in moral and ethical systems, and is quite a different beast altogether.

lyra wrote:

Us.  Our own higher selves.    Not some separate entity, "violating freewill" as you inferred.  Us.  How do I know it's us?  Because when I've asked for help and intervention and protection or advise from my higher self, I get it.  I make sure to specify that it's my positive STO higher self.  And I get it.

Okay, fine. But what you just said is VERY different to re-arranging an existing timeline, changing the original outcome to suit your own agenda.

lyra wrote:

And how did I know that you would say that?   wink  Assumptions, assumptions.  Instead of giving me the chance to explain myself or share my story which would illustrate my point, you immediately jumped to this conclusion.  Interesting.  Don't be so quick to think you know everything, especially when you haven't even asked for further explanation / elaboration.

I don't need to make an assumption. When you said "Timeline rearrangement" it was very apparent what you meant. Help, assistance, and intervention is one thing. Re-arranging time is quite another thing altogether.

lyra wrote:

....and why do you think I made sure to put the word "important" in quotes?   (and how did I know you would say this too?)

In this case the addition of quotes makes little difference. It is pretty apparent what you meant, and the implication is that some folks are just more valuable than others and hence are afforded significantly more protection.

lyra wrote:

Do I?   smile  Or is that your own projection, and more assumptions?

Just my opinion, based on what you wrote. Just like your thinking of me as a very negative person, which is also a projection and an assumption. Pot calling the kettle black, but that's okay. We're human, and we make assumptions. Nature of the beast.

lyra wrote:

"Higher density know it all"...............again, please see above comments regarding the Higher Self which should hopefully clear up this misunderstanding once and for all.  You don't have to agree / believe what I do concerning the Higher Self and intervention, and we can agree to disagree on the matter, but at least you'll know what I'm referring to now and things will be cleared up.

Again, intervention is very different to rearranging time. I never said I had a problem with such assistance/intervention, I don't. I am aware that such things do happen. If you'd read my previous post correctly, you would have understood that. So, now who's having a knee jerk reaction? smile

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

Re: Everything You've Been Told About the "Grays" is Bunk

Neomatrix wrote:

All life is interesting, okay. But that still doesn't explain why any advanced culture would wish to come here and tamper with us and our evolution.

I can't say for certain what exactly it is they're doing.  One theory is "tampering with our evolution", and that certainly is a possibility.  But that's not what I'm debating here.....


Neomatrix wrote:

  Quite frankly there would just be a whole lot more interesting action elsewhere, unless you really think that us human beings are the center of the universe?

Never said that.  But I do think we, and all life on Earth, are interesting.  So...what exactly are we arguing about here?   You think we're not worth any attention and are boring and primitive, I disagree.  So.....?   Now what?   I mean, what is there to debate?   You see it your way, I see it mine.    ???


Neomatrix wrote:

  Also, I'm not saying the technology is interesting in itself. I'm saying that what could be done with the technology would be very interesting, much more so than anything going on down here. Humans are important to humans, but that doesn't mean that they'd be viewed as important to anyone else. That is simply my point here. I'm not stating this as a fact; it is -- once again -- just the way I see it.

Understood.



Neomatrix wrote:

  Okay. I think I smell an issue here, which is coloring over your perceptions of what I'm actually saying.

It just seemed to me that you were only seeing what's wrong and messed up about humans, and I've gotten that from some of your other posts as well.  So while it's not an actual "issue", it just seemed relevant to mention it at the time.  If it was an actual issue for me then it would have come out a lot sooner, on in a thread where it wasn't relevant. 


Neomatrix wrote:

Okay, fine. But what you just said is VERY different to re-arranging an existing timeline, changing the original outcome to suit your own agenda.

Is it?   I don't think it is.   What if the "original outcome" wasn't really "orignal" to begin with?   Apparantly this timeline we're existing on is a tangled heaping mess that's been tinkered with so often and to such a major extent.   Don't have proof for that particular claim but you gotta wonder.  What if our higher selves intervening and rearranging the timeline is due to negative forces doing things they shouldn't be doing, which throws things off balance and puts a wrench in the works?    There's an idea for you.



Neomatrix wrote:

  I don't need to make an assumption. When you said "Timeline rearrangement" it was very apparent what you meant. Help, assistance, and intervention is one thing. Re-arranging time is quite another thing altogether.

When "help" and "assistance" requires rearranging the timeline to undo a major no-no done by the negative side then no, it's actually the same thing.  Again, sometimes "help" and "intervention" must take the form of timeline rearrangement in order to undo a no-no done by something negative, like killing people they shouldn't be killing, etc.    If that's what it takes, then that's what it takes.  If the negs can tinker with the timeline to screw with people and the world, then trust me, the "good guys" can do the same to undo their handiwork if need be.



Neomatrix wrote:

  In this case the addition of quotes makes little difference. It is pretty apparent what you meant, and the implication is that some folks are just more valuable than others and hence are afforded significantly more protection.

No, that's how you've chosen to interpret it...............even after I've already clarified it.  If after I've already clarified something and you choose to hold on to your original misinterpretation, then it's kinda like being a sulky baby at that point.   There's nothing I can do about your insistance to hold onto the original misinterpretation.


Neomatrix wrote:

Again, intervention is very different to rearranging time.

Please see above......

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Re: Everything You've Been Told About the "Grays" is Bunk

lyra wrote:

I can't say for certain what exactly it is they're doing.  One theory is "tampering with our evolution", and that certainly is a possibility.  But that's not what I'm debating here.....

Okay.

lyra wrote:

Never said that.  But I do think we, and all life on Earth, are interesting.  So...what exactly are we arguing about here?   You think we're not worth any attention and are boring and primitive, I disagree.  So.....?   Now what?   I mean, what is there to debate?   You see it your way, I see it mine.    ???

Beats me. I guess we're done with this.

lyra wrote:

It just seemed to me that you were only seeing what's wrong and messed up about humans, and I've gotten that from some of your other posts as well.  So while it's not an actual "issue", it just seemed relevant to mention it at the time.  If it was an actual issue for me then it would have come out a lot sooner, on in a thread where it wasn't relevant.

I wasn't trying to stress that anything was "wrong" with us, merely that we are still at a very primitive stage in our species' evolution. Doesn't make it wrong, it just makes it what is.

lyra wrote:

Is it?   I don't think it is.   What if the "original outcome" wasn't really "orignal" to begin with?   Apparantly this timeline we're existing on is a tangled heaping mess that's been tinkered with so often and to such a major extent. Don't have proof for that particular claim but you gotta wonder.  What if our higher selves intervening and rearranging the timeline is due to negative forces doing things they shouldn't be doing, which throws things off balance and puts a wrench in the works?    There's an idea for you.

Wouldn't it be much, much simpler to just stop them from throwing a wrench in the works in the first place? Far simpler than this awkward re-arranging of timelines business. There's an idea for you wink

lyra wrote:

No, that's how you've chosen to interpret it...............even after I've already clarified it.  If after I've already clarified something and you choose to hold on to your original misinterpretation, then it's kinda like being a sulky baby at that point.   There's nothing I can do about your insistance to hold onto the original misinterpretation.

"Sulky baby"? Please. Here is what you wrote, and it was perfectly clear enough to avoid any misinterpretation on my part: "If it would violate certain people's freewill, then it's not allowed to happen. Someone like David Icke is tied to millions of people's awakenings. Me included, among a million others. My belief? I don't think he's 'allowed' to be killed. He's been WAY too important." The fact that you admitted here that this is just a belief means you don't know this is really the case. So, why cling so strongly to it? You are making what is to me a rather extraordinary claim, and I'm just challenging you on it. To me, it is far more rational to state that the reason he hasn't been killed is because he's unwittingly aiding the agenda through some of the material he's promoting.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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Neomatrix wrote:

Wouldn't it be much, much simpler to just stop them from throwing a wrench in the works in the first place? Far simpler than this awkward re-arranging of timelines business. There's an idea for you wink

No, because both sides have to have the opportunity to "express themselves", to play the game I guess you could call it.   The negs do their thing, the positives (for lack of a better term...) do theirs, the negs try again, and so on.  Sometimes....oftentimes....the negs succeed in their negative agenda.  They are able to manipulate people and situations to their liking, altering timelines, etc., due to people's lack of awareness and naivete about these matters.  Other times they fail.  You win a few, you lose a few.  And so it goes in 3D, the neverending game, back and forth, tit for tat, halcyon and on and on....

On a sidenote, it was just brought to my attention that part of what you seem to be saying is arguing on behalf of making changes in "real time."   But what is "real time" ?  There is no true time, and those who are making changes are doing so outside of time.  They make a change like us erasing something on a blackboard, and it appears to us as a timeline alteration because we can only experience it linearly.   I think MOST of the strange synchronicities and weird phenomenon that many here at NR have experienced and talked about are results of hyperdimensional "timeline" manipulation.   They make a change from their vantage point outside of time, and it sends riipples "backwards" and "forwards" in our linear time appearing as timeline alteration and manipulation, sychronicities, glitches, repeating symbolisms that pop up everywhere, things mysteriously "lining up", etc. etc. 


Neomatrix wrote:

"Sulky baby"? Please. Here is what you wrote, and it was perfectly clear enough to avoid any misinterpretation on my part: "If it would violate certain people's freewill, then it's not allowed to happen. Someone like David Icke is tied to millions of people's awakenings. Me included, among a million others. My belief? I don't think he's 'allowed' to be killed. He's been WAY too important."

Yes....but did I say that he was the ONLY important person out there in the world?  That he is "better" than others, as you claimed I said?    No.  I said he was important.  His role here is important.    And.......?   What is the problem?   Can you argue that he hasn't done something interesting and productive with his life?    That he hasn't helped people?  That he hasn't educated, informed and spread knowledge?   He has....but so have many others.    And let's face it, (and too bad if this is politically incorrect" to say....) but the fact is, there are certain people in this world who do a hell of a lot more with their existances than others, helping more people, doing more good.   You can't argue that.   Does that make them "better" ?  I'm not saying that.   But they've made the most of their roles while here, and done "important" things.   There's no denying that.   And why do I put "important" in quotes?    Let's get back to that.   Because we're living in an illusory game.   It's "important" in the game, and it does have its merits, but the fact is, it's all just a game.  It's only "important" while we are in the game, believing in the game.

At this point I get the impression that you just want to argue for the sake of arguing, going round after round after round, in order to be able to "be right" and get the last word in.   If you want to keep twisting and misinterpreting my words, that's fine.    But I think I've clarified myself enough by this point.   Do with it what you may.

Also, there have been interesting points which have come up in these past few posts which unfortunately have been lost in the muck of petty semantics debates.  I want to bring focus back on these topics because I've seen this happen before on other threads and on other messageboards, where semantics debates and misinterpretations serve to distract from really juicy topics being brought up.   The concepts of:

-  Timeline manipulation and alteration.   How it's done, who's doing it, why, and MOST importantly...........................................when humans actually glimpse it happening.  "Glitch in the Matrix" anybody??     This was mentioned but skipped right on over in the back and forth arguing over who knows what.  I think this is an important topic, and actually warrants a thread of its own.  Maybe I'll start one later or tomorrow sometime.    I think if people are going to debate a topic that comes up then it helps if everybody is on the same page and knows where the other is coming from and the mechanics of what they actually believe.......and why they believe it.  It doesn't help matters when you're trying to defend what you believe while simultaneously explaining it at the same time.  Anyway, more on this later in a new thread possibly.....

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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It is clear from your last post that we both have a very different definition of what is meant by the term "timeline manipulation". At this point, it serves no purpose to keep hammering away with our individual interpretations. I actually have no more desire to go round and round with this than you do. I think I finally understand what *you* mean by the term, although I don't think that you really have a firm understanding of the mechanics behind it anymore than I do with mine. Time is about the single most tricky thing our linear human minds can try to conceptualize, and isn't very well understood by anyone. So, sure, the negative and positive factors may well be playing their game trying to control events here as they unfold, providing stimulus to affect the outcomes through various channels. Personally, I'm not taking either side in that battle. Both are merely seeking control through a "we know best" mentality, which now that I recall was actually wonderfully portrayed in the TV show Babylon 5 with the Vorlons and Shadows forever at each others throats. You take either side in that game, and you lose. Only your own Higher Self knows what is best for you.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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"Well, I remember reading back in 2002 -- in a major mainstream news source like Yahoo or something! -- about how the government not only has holographic technology, but, it's so advanced now that they can project the image of entire military armies to use agains the enemy in wartime, to create the illusion that they have these huge military camps and bases set up with weapons, aircraft, etc.   You know, to bluff.   The holographic technology is mentioned in "Bob Johnson" as well, about how they'll use it to project images of UFOs and religious figures in the sky during the proposed "invasion scenario".  It's not far fetched to think about considering it's now mainstream knowledge that they have this technology and intend to use it for deceptive purposes.    So that's another idea...."



THis quote struck me because I have heard ...James Cameron of Terminator Fame...is working with the Illuminati on this very technology....it is definitely within the realm of reach as far as the Hidden Hand is concerned...I wont put anything past them.  The idea of them using the UFO card the same way they used the Terrorism Excuse...is very plausible to me. 

It is obvious to me only after the fact that all the Terrorism movies that Illuminati actos such as Bruce Willis, Arnold & Stallone were in only served as a conditioning tool in getting the public used to the idea that Brown skinned people in the far east are all Terrorists.  Rambo, Die Hard, Back to the Future, and even the James Bond flicks drove this point home over and over again and it proved very effective in the long run cuz the country bought it hook line and sinker after 911.  Someone on here has stated the the Illuminati are always ten steps ahead.....that assessment is dead on the money...Back in 87..who would of thought.?  The Movie V was obviously a pitch..Taken...and the X files repeated references to 2012 are also throwing it right in our faces....and it doesnt help any that the "Lone Gunmen Pilot" was basically teasing us for their perverted pleasure....Stuart Wilde might be on to something.

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morningsun76 wrote:

One of my friends likes the maxim "listen to the one who is searching for Truth.  Never trust the one who has found it."    I think that's good advice.

In the spirit of this statement, let's examine what we think to be the closest to the truth as we can get at this time in regards to the grays. This can at least help us to evaluate what we think we know so far.


It appears that they have the ability/technology to travel interdimensionally somehow. If they are coming from other planets, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize it is not being done by anything close to our 'modern technology' such as jet propulsion, etc. Even if they are coming from here and are hoaxing themselves off as spacemen as a mass deception scheme, they are still acting interdimensionally.

One observation I've made is that even though they travel interdimensionally outside of their ships (through walls, etc), they seem to be most comfortable on their ships as this is where they do most of their operations. Most reports of when they are seen is either on a ship or in the act of taking someone to a ship. Could it be that they are somewhat vulnerable when existing in 3D outside of their ships due to time/phisical/energy constraints? Some accounts seem to indicate that.

They also have the ability to influence our perception of them and possibly our own realities, but to what extent?

That is the important question and one that we must determine before we can trust any information we have on them as being 'truth'.

They seem to be able to alter memories or at least insert fake ones over real ones as in all the abduction cases. This can be reversed by hypnosis or may 'wear off' in time. Of course modern mind control can do the same thing through trauma, drugs, technology maybe, as seen in the milab cases, but they could possibly have learned that from them at least partially.

They seem to also be able to control who sees them and who doesn't as in casaes where some individuals saw them  but others seemed not to notice, or perhaps this is due to a persons ability to see them.

Some entities (perhaps not grays, I don't know) seem capable of projecting overlays into a persons mind and control how that person percieves them. This is usually done when they are seeking cooperation of some sort with a human and project an image so as not to scare the human.

They communicate telepathicly. This is pretty much widely accepted.

As far as whole timeline alterations go the implications of that is so vast that it deserves a whole 'nuther discussion, I'll look forward to that one.

As far as mans involvement in things that effect our percerptions of the grays there is the whole fake alien abduction thing done by military black ops guys, the media campaign of extremes where you either have giant evil space monsters attacking or friendly elf-like loving space bros come to save us, or the holographic technology discussed.


Can anyone add or subtract from this list? My whole point being until we understand how our 3d minds are being manipulated, we'll never know the truth even if we see it and this will be a never ending debate and rather pointless. I realize we are talking mostly in genralizations and semi documented accounts but that is all we have to go by except for whatever personal experiences we share.

If we go outside of our 3d minds and contact parts of ourselves that share at least some of these same 'alien' abilities that seem so miraculous to the 3d mind, we will get the answers. The problem is pulling them back into the 3D world and explaining them to ourselves and others in 3D terms. In my heart I know there is nothing they can do that we can't with a little knowledge and evolution, and I don't mean evolution in the classical sense.

My current thinking is that the grays are real at least on some level and TPTB said "if you can't beat 'em join 'em". It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

As an aside, a good friend of mine (along with a lot of others) watched a UFO hovering in the sky for a half hour above Highway 55 in St. Louis rush hour traffic, so far no mention on the news.

Stephen

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Neomatrix wrote:

I think I finally understand what *you* mean by the term, although I don't think that you really have a firm understanding of the mechanics behind it anymore than I do with mine.


WHAT??!?   I know everything!   psssh!  How dare you!!!

j/k  big_smile



Menses wrote:

Stuart Wilde might be on to something.

He sure is.   smile   In fact, I'm going to post another excellent excerpt here regarding the Transdimensionals from "God's Gladiators", Chapter 10, entitled "As Above, So Below."   I haven't posted this yet, although I kept meaning to and never got around to it.  Laziness is another one of my issues.  wink  But better late than never I say!!!    I don't agree with every theory / conclusion that Stuart has, however, I feel he offers a much needed perspective on the UFO / aliens / abuduction phenomenon in this world that abounds with New Age disinformation.   So, I present his views for consideration, take what resonates with you and whatever doesn't, just put it on the backburner.  The bolded words are my own emphasis.  It seems long, but it's a great read, please try to read it all if you can, he has great points about so many things, including life in the "Sphere" in general, not just aliens and UFO's.    Take it away, Stuie.....

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"The transdimensionals in the sky above us are the same as the fascists that operate and control our world on the ground. Each operates in the same way–covertly.   The transdimensionals terrorize people, hauling them away at night against their will, torturing them, indoctrinating them, and attempting to establish a psychological control over them.  They are feeding on us from above and have another hidden agenda, what that is I can only surmise. The sad thing is transdimensionals reflect exactly the neo-Nazis that run the world on the ground. This is because they influence the neo-Nazis on the ground.  The seemingly benign politician, in his pinstripe suit on the nightly news with a cheesy grin, masks his terrible vengeance upon humanity. He would swear blind that his intentions are for the greater good (the tyrant’s excuse), and he will go to the grave believing his mind is his own, it is not. It was captured decades ago, when he first dreamed of power and control.

The control-trippers are driven from above. They in turn feed the Sphere from below. They are the field and it is also them. The field finds congruence inside their dark nature. The transdimensionals use that as a satellite dish to bounce impulses and ideas into other people’s minds.

Perpetual, insidious, often silent propaganda is beamed to us through thought transference.   When a thought or an impulse comes to mind, how do you know it is you doing the thinking?   You will imagine it is you because you may not have considered any other options. But the fact is, you don’t actually know.   If, for example, ideas enter your mind in French and you don’t speak the language, you’d soon wonder who is doing the talking.  But if an idea pops into your mind in your native tongue, in words and sentences that mirror the way you normally communicate, how can you tell who is doing the talking? I discovered as fact that one’s mind is perpetually bombarded by the thoughts of others, especially thoughts that come from others of like mind, or those who are emotionally close to us.   In addition, ideas also come in from the transdimensionals and elsewhere. We are constantly fed ideas, usually at our most vulnerable moments. Free will comes at a price–it ain’t free.....

"....The fields upon fields are all around us. We are like fish in the sea with no comprehension of what lies beyond where we live. The fish are, in a sense, controlled by the water and the conditions the seawater offers. If a fish could talk, it would describe seawater as a great benefit, but to an earthbound human looking in from a different dimension, it’s obvious that the sea controls and limits the fish’s potential. Furthermore, the sea is bloody dangerous for the fish. It is not aware of the danger. If the fish could wander on to the beach and hide in the bushes, it would be a lot safer.

"When a fish is swimming in a shoal of fish and the shoal makes a sudden left turn, the talking fish might tell you it has made that decision, but in fact, it has only followed the morphic (information) field created by the shoal. That message was passed to all the members of the shoal by the overall field (seawater) and all the fish instantly turned left.  Like water, the field around us is an excellent conductor of energy.  It has almost no resistance.  It must have zero mass, or almost zero mass. That is why a UFO can make a 90 º left turn at high speed. The UFO is not solid, and it is moving in the field even though it looks to us like it is solid and it is flying through the air.  Anytime the UFO decides to commit 100 percent to the field, it disappears from human view. The fields upon fields are everywhere.  In the air we breathe, in the ground below our feet, in the solid walls of our homes, in our actions, and our ideas. It’s in our blood, our body, and our brain. In the sameway that a killer shark is an extension of the field it lives in, the UFOs are predators of the field we live in.

Now imagine a peaceful lagoon that is close to the sea but cut off from it by sand banks. There are no predators in the lagoon and the seals and the fish that live there thrive and they are oblivious to any danger.  Suddenly, conditions change and a high tide washes the sand banks away; the lagoon is now connected to the sea. In some way, a way that is beyond the lagoon’s aquatic inhabitant’s comprehension, the lagoon, that is now an inlet, gives off a new signal.  That signal is picked up by sharks out at sea and it takes them one year to make it to the inlet. Once they get there they are delighted to find an inlet teaming with food
(energy). The good news travels out in the morphic field that is the sharks’ inner communication and more and more show up.  The sharks discover a strange fact. No matter how much of the energy of the inlet they consume, there is an ever-increasing explosion of inhabitants in the lagoon and lots of activity and sharks are attracted to blood and there is a lot of that in the lagoon.  The human etheric version of fish blood is fear.   The UFO feeds off fear and it goes out of its way to create it.

As I’ve said, before World War II, UFOs sighting were very rare.   Since the war they have become more common, to where they now occur on a daily basis. A number of UFO researchers all came to the same conclusion, more or less at the same time. They said the explosion of the first atom bomb was the etheric signal humanity gave off to attract UFOs.   I think this idea came about because people who have been abducted by the buggy-eyed Greys have been shown films of nuclear explosions.  The Greys give the abductee the impression that they are concerned about the safety of planet Earth. Yet the Greys see the earth plane as an energy source that they can use; there is no evidence that they are benevolent or that they care about the safety of humans, anymore than hunters care about animals in the forest.   Often an abductee is shown a film snippet of a nuclear or ecological holocaust, and he or she is then told they are responsible for warning the rest of humanity. Excuse me? Ding! Ding! Seen this one before? Like on last night’s news.   

Here we go again, offering ordinary people global problems they can’t fix.  Is the abductee the Secretary General of the United Nations, a famous broadcaster, a political person, or part of the White House or Kremlin? No way!  The abductee is called Hank and he works as a clerk at the 7-Eleven in Chattanooga, Tennessee.  Giving Hank these ‘save the world’ instructions will serve to trigger his ego and confuse him.  Of course, if there were an important message for humanity it wouldn’t be given to Hank, who may be sweet but is totally unsuited for the job. You would give your important message to someone who had a bit of clout and credibility, Oprah Winfrey say, who could possibly do something about warning people of the holocaust problem.

So what does that tell you?  It tells you people will believe whatever you feed them as long as you play to their self-importance. It tells you that the ecological or nuclear holocaust ain’t happening any time soon, and no buggy-eyed Grey, nor your man Hank, is in the early warning business.....

"....Now some say the atom bomb might have created a new hole in the Earth’s etheric, allowing more UFOs into our dimension, but I don’t think that fully explains the sudden arrival of the UFOs in 1946.

[SIDE NOTE: morningsun76 had pointed out that Stuart mistakenly believes the UFO's arrived only after WWII;  and earlier in this same excerpt Stuart says that "before WWII they were very rare"- not non-existant, but just rare;  However, here he's saying "their sudden arrival", which is slightly contradictory, so morningsun76 was right in pointing this out earlier, and I wanted to bring attention to this.  I personally believe they've been around since ancient times, as documented in the book "The Gods of Eden" by William Bramley........)    

"Remember, the UFOs as Foo Fighters were tracking fighter squadrons from the beginning of the war, years before the bomb went off.   Furthermore, the UFO and its inhabitants can read our minds. They would have known that the bomb was going to go off years before the explosion at Hiroshima–anyway I’m sure they were involved in its design and manufacture. The bomb was put together at an incredible speed by military scientists who hadn’t even mastered simple stuff like radar. Excuse me! Ding! Ding! Got a bit of Reptilian (UFO) help, did they?   The objective of the atomic bomb is not really to blow us up; it’s to keep us scared.

No. I think we have to look for a UFO arrival explanation elsewhere.  Remember, a UFO is at one level an etheric being and its inhabitants are also etheric beings who exhibit fascist tendencies. The war created a lot of hate, not just the Nazis’ hate but the Allies’ hate as well, along with the Japanese army’s extreme cruelty. Then there was the vengeance, some of it expressed, some of it unexpressed.  The world was awash in hate and fear for six years. It was the world’s shadow made manifest and it was that body of energy that brought the UFOs in. The bomb may have created a bit of attention, as 150,000 people being fried in agony would be something the UFOs would want to watch and be a part of. But it wasn’t the reason they suddenly came in such great numbers. They came for the food. The plat du jour? Hate, agony, distress, and fear.

The destruction of 150,000 unarmed civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were acts of hate and vengeance.  Initially, the bombings were explained as necessary as American lives would have been lost in the taking of Japan.  It was only later that it became known that the Japanese Emperor Hirohito had already agreed to surrender before the bombs went off. Truman’s order to drop the bombs on Japanese civilians came out of his deep-rooted hatred of humanity. It was his megalomaniac desire to exercise a god- like power that granted a horrible, unnecessary death to 150,000 unarmed civilians just as a show of strength. The show of strength was not just for the benefit of the Japanese; it was for the whole world. Look at this demonic bullshit everyone. We control your life. We are the supreme authority. We can fry you in seconds. It would be terrifying to contemplate where Truman is today. The sad part about his acts is they remain in the books of American karma as a debit. So Truman has lumbered innocent Americans with an upcoming disaster.   Those film clips of Truman wisecracking–a cheery little fellow in silly clothes, playing golf–masked a covert Nazi, one who was no different to his opponents.  The world was certainly a better place once brother Harry quit the earth plane.

After 1946, the UFOs began their war to establish control of the human dimension. It’s a two-pronged move: there are those on the ground (humans) and those in the air.   Remember, the UFOs are Nazis as are the Grey drones and the Nordics.   The blond, perfectly featured Arian types seem to be in command of the Greys. While the UFOs are sometimes seen to fly in daylight, the Greys almost always operate at night. They can’t hack the light–they often smell of sulfur and are devilish to the extreme.

Just like the Nazis, they haul people away against their will and torture them. Sometimes the individuals are subjected to sexual abuse and rape by the transdimensionals.   Abductees talk about the breeding programs that the Greys seem to conduct, which involves taking ova and sperm from abductees and attempting to create life. The Nazis had the same shoddy programs of eugenics, in which they tried to breed a master race of Arians (Nordic looking folk) by whittling out any deformities or genetic weakness, and killing those who didn’t fit their genetic blueprint.   The Greys are pretending; pretending to act out the same kinds of experiments the Nazis performed.

The Nazis ruled with surveillance and terror. The UFOs do the same. They are watching all the time. The Nazis used disinformation, propaganda, and trickery. The UFOs use the same control mechanism, creating the illusion that they are the supremely powerful. Hitler used indoctrination and mass hypnosis to mesmerize the crowd.  The transdimensionals do the same with their acrobatic displays, and through their on-the-ground allies and the media’s denial of them. Remember, denying them is a ploy to get people to see UFOs as mysterious and all-powerful.

What is the media? It is the voice of the world controlled by a very small number of people.   Its function is to drip-feed fear into the minds of ordinary people.  If you believed what you saw and read, you would imagine yourself powerless.   You would also give away your individuality, as the media endlessly repeats that the subjugation and enslavement of the individual is for the greater good. The buggy-eyed Greys say exactly the same thing, telling the abductee, “Sorry, this is going to hurt a bit but it’s for the greater good....“?



...."You will never be free of the field until you remove the media from your life...."



"....What else does the Sphere and the transdimensionals need? Activity–it/they feed on activity. The energy you spend rushing around day to day, helps to keep the Sphere and the transdimensionals going. How do the media define and sell activity. As a good thing? People must work and produce and be responsible, we are told. The unemployed need reeducation.  You can’t be healthy
unless you run around.  Go-getters are admired.  Workaholics are good people who provide for their families.

Sportspeople who rush around a lot are sold to us as superhuman. Overall, one could summarize the propaganda message as saying: action is good, inaction is slothful and not to be desired.

How do you ensure that everyone rushes around like chickens with their heads cut off?   First, you sell them on ‘Action Man’ as an idea that is holy and good–he’s got a Porsche and a pretty bimbo by his side. He’s rushing about, life’s a blast. He doesn’t have to be feeling or sensitive, as long as he has lots of orgasmic experiences. They let you know he’s in heaven. Next, you spoon-feed the ladies the same bullshit. She’s the modern miss, the tough career woman juggling life, the kids, the period pains, the job, the mortgage; she’s the one who has made it to consumer heaven in a man’s world–against all odds. These action- oriented people are high achievers and they are sold as special and god-like. We are told they are happy. They have achieved a phony immortality through activity. No one is allowed to question the religion of activity.

How do you make absolutely sure that these people keep rushing about and that no one suddenly sells them on anarchist ideas like sitting on the porch whittling a stick?   Easy.    You take half their wages as tax so that no one thinks about finishing early, like Wednesday lunchtime say.   In fact, make sure they have to do heaps of overtime just to survive.   To ensure activity, you have to enslave the people, and the easiest way to do that is to control their money.  This was achieved in America by the illegal founding in 1913 of the Federal Reserve. A private corporation mostly owned by Jewish families, most who originate from Europe. The chief moneymaking function of the Federal Reserve is to print worthless paper that then becomes real money overnight. That previously worthless paper is then lent at interest to American taxpayers....."

What else does the field feed on?  Noise. It needs lots of noise. The noise it needs is that generated by the human voice. No problem. We’ll have to look to our friends in the media to help us. Give us lots of free noise. TVs and radios blaring, ghetto blasters, CDs, DATS, minidisks, Walkmans, sound systems at home, in the car, in shops, in the elevator, in hotel lobbies, in the toilet–everywhere, endless noise. And don’t forget mobile phones–make sure people can talk, talk, talk, anywhere, anytime.  Just make sure noise runs 24 hours a day, non-stop. Make sure it’s a perpetual cacophony of madness. When there is constant noise people cannot think properly or ask awkward questions, nor can they properly perceive. We need noise to feed the field, so get our pals in the media to make sure there is an endless supply of free noise. Make people who specialize in noise–heavy metal bands, singers, rappers, and so forth into national heroes. That should confuse the f*ck out of everyone.



"You will never escape the field–never–until you learn that your power is in silence."


"...These transdimensional entities are here to dominate the world. In 1947 there wasn’t a great quantity of them, and they didn’t have a lot of power because they didn’t have a lot of energy. The advent of the Nazis brought them in in greater numbers. They are one and the same. Since humans have evolved and become more plentiful and more active once the programming took control via the development of mass media, the field has grown enormously. These entities are here to trap the souls of the world, so after noise and communication became global, entrapment became easier.

We are trapped and yet we are not trapped. A man or a woman who develops perception, who has individuality (which is, after all, true spirituality), and one who has nostalgia for eternity, can make a run for it and beat the sharks. The sharks are actually helpless against the power of an individual; but powerful when they have the entire mechanism of the field behind them, programming people into powerlessness.  In our world, the field enjoys itself, and the people of the field, the fat controllers, those who own everything–Hollywood, big business–are thrilled to be as important as they are. They like the perks, the specialness, and the wealth. They like the fact that they can elevate one person and reject another. They enjoy the power trip. They live in hell but find it comfortable because prestige, status, and money make it comfortable on a purely material or social basis. The field wants to be the supreme power. It wants to be God just as the shark at the entrance of the inlet wants to be God and to dominate all the fish and seals that live in the lagoon. But we can get away and that is the amazing part of this story. We can get away in spite of the fact that all these people are pitted against us, in spite of the fact that they seem reasonable when they appear on TV in their three-piece suits, and in spite of the fact that they sometimes exhibit warmth and
kindness. Rarely, but sometimes.    In spite of the propaganda, they are in fact Nazis. Sometimes they are mini-Nazis and sometimes they are full-blown Nazis, but they are Nazis nonetheless."

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End of chapter...........Hope you enjoyed it!   Now go to www.stuartwilde.com and check out the rest of his material, free articles, or even buy a book or two!   smile

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: Everything You've Been Told About the "Grays" is Bunk

Yes, indeed!

I like the book "God's Gladiators".  This is from the last chapter which is called "The End Run":

"God's Gladiators have four main qualities: they are very strong and brave; they are very sacred and humble; within their humility is an absolute selflessness; and they are all heart and compassion.  Their etheric speed of perception is blistering, and they are very silent.  Who chose them?  They chose themselves."

Re: Everything You've Been Told About the "Grays" is Bunk

"Allies of Humanity" was too vague and pussy-footed around . I already knew about the alien agenda by reading "The Threat", a much better book in my opinion. It was written by a professor who has done years of research on abductions. It appears to me there is a cross-breeding program going on. Also, the abductees are shown pictures of coming catastrophic earth changes and then the hybrids living afterwards like one big happy family. Maybe they are going to trigger the earth changes themselves to "clear the real estate" and get most of the humans out of the way. Interestingly, I had an experience, at the time I thought spirits but now I'm convinced it was aliens, most of it blocked from memory. It happened right after I had my vasectomy several years ago. I felt the presence of entities in the room and became paralyzed, then blacked out for several hours.

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WEOPPOSEDECEPTION wrote:

  "Allies of Humanity" was too vague and pussy-footed around .

Yeah, I can see how it could be seen as that way.  It's not "direct" enough for me either.   But I still thought it worth mentioning because at least it's warning people about aliens and advising us that these abductions and visitations are not a good thing. 

WEOPPOSEDECEPTION wrote:

  Also, the abductees are shown pictures of coming catastrophic earth changes and then the hybrids living afterwards like one big happy family. Maybe they are going to trigger the earth changes themselves to "clear the real estate" and get most of the humans out of the way.

Stuart Wilde mentions the "Earth changes" catastrophe pictures / imagery being shown to abductees in the above excerpt I just posted 2 days ago, if you're interested in reading more on that.  He feels that they're doing it to extract fear and terror from the victims who are shown these images, because once they lose the fear, wouldn't you know it, it stops.............

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: Everything You've Been Told About the "Grays" is Bunk

Neomatrix wrote:

Still, it should be a doddle to remove him, but they haven't. There's no one they can't get to, after all. Puzzling....

This just posted on Stuart Wildes' site (year end updates):

http://stuartwilde.com/Visions/SW_visio … frypan.htm  --   "it will help them to see the true nature of the human reptiles that run this world, and how they will stop at nothing when people get in their way."

Christine B.