Topic: what to eat (was Stuie/Yoga/Ghouls)

ermolai wrote:

Be aware that the meat, milk, corn, etc, industries are all worth billions of dollars and are ready to do anything to preserve their business. Do not buy the first article attacking soy or vegetarianism, because it has already been proved such lobbies spread disinformation when necessary. This is a fact. In particular a lot of diet programs promoting meat are sponsored by the meat industry.

Personal experience is the only thing you can count on. Cameron says people with depression are often vegetarian. Well I was depressed for 4 years and ate lots of meat. Now I'm vegetarian and I'm not depressed. Of course other factors came into play, but either way it is my experience that meat brings a lot of bad energies, perhaps because animals are killed in such horrible conditions. It probably wouldn't be so bad if animals were hunted with respect.

The most important in a diet is balance. As long as you eat a bit of everything, you don't risk much. Balance is harder to achieve for vegetarianism but it's not impossible.

PS: I have also recently heard from good sources that the recommended diet depends on your type of "sanguine group" (not sure if this is the right word, type of blood, like 0, A+, B-, etc). So while meat, for example, may make someone depressed, it could make someone else feel better.

We could probably all agree that it is quite difficult to find food that can sustain balanced, healthy diet.  Meat, as you've said, can certainly have a huge effect on one's being - and depending on the quality of the meat, process in which the animal was killed, method of preparation, etc. - it can be a hugely negative effect.  To be clear, I was not saying that people with depression are often vegetarian.  It was just interesting to note that a few people I knew happened to be depressed and also vegetarians.  The caveat should be added: these people do not constitute any average of the vegetarian populous, and that the vast majority of depressed or suicidal individuals are non-vegetarians.

That said, I agree that the most important thing it to keep a balanced diet.  Well, how does one do that?

Here are some non-meat proteins that are also complete proteins -

- Chickpeas (falafel, etc.)
- Nuts (each type has unique fats, many of which seem to be quite healthy)

How else can one intake quality fats and proteins?

2 (edited by lyra 2004-04-22 07:18:22)

Re: what to eat (was Stuie/Yoga/Ghouls)

Avocados...................if you want to add something to your diet that's loaded with healthy fat, and has a little protein as well to boot, avocados are the way to go.   There's no limits either in terms of who "should" or "shouldn't" eat them, such as blood type, etc.  They're good for everybody, and are often overlooked by people.   Not only do they have "good" fat, and some protein, but they also have other great nutritional qualities as well...........AND...........they're highly alkalizing, which is important in today's highly acidic diets of most people.

Many people say they don't like avocados, (probably the soft, creamy texture, or the green color) but I say get yourself used to them.   Force yourself to like them, because they really should be incorporated into everybody's diet.  Add them to salads, make guacamole with them, eat them plain, dip them in dressing sauce, or whatever. 

Also, olive oil is another good fat.   Check it out online and see what you come up with, but everybody's always raving about the virtues of good, extra virgin olive oil. 

In terms of figuring out what foods to eat or not, what diets to follow or not, there's just SO much conflicting information out there it's not even funny.   Read as much as you can, consider different viewpoints, use discernment and common sense, be on the lookout for disinformation, and then experiment.  After taking in all that information, the only way to see what works is to test drive different things, and monitor your body's reaction, energy level, pH balance, etc.    In the end, let your body tell you what works for it.   Buy pH strips and use those to help monitor your acid / alkaline balance, that's really helpful too.

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3 (edited by ermolai 2004-04-29 10:19:55)

Re: what to eat (was Stuie/Yoga/Ghouls)

This is not really on-topic but something I just thought about: there is a whole paradox about food, is that it clearly brings us down to 3D (makes us heavier, slower and harder to reach higher dimensions) and yet we need it to function and evolve.

I wonder if the increasing amount of anorexics is not linked with the wave, in parallel with wanderers who are coming from elsewhere and who must learn how to function in this reality, even if they remember of much better places/times. My sister is anorexic, and personnaly I often have troubles to convince myself to eat, because I know that it slows me down in my understanding. There are days when I feel I am on a high vibration (understanding a lot of things, etc.) and these days I typically forget to eat for 24 or 36 hours (I also typically forget to sleep).

For many years I have this feeling of constantly going up and down, up in the sky and back to hard reality, and these patterns are often linked with the food patterns I'm talking about it. It has been really difficult to maintain a balance, even though I'm getting a bit better lately.

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I like the idea that avocadoes are a "unifood" because I happen to love avocadoes like they are going out of style! Just a "you go, avo!" to avocadoes. There's nothing better in the world to me than a perfectly ripe one with a little salt on it. Heavenly.

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Re: what to eat (was Stuie/Yoga/Ghouls)

Try this sandwich if you never have: Avocado, alfalfa sprouts, tomato and cream cheese on whole wheat. Wrap the sandwich in foil, if you're foolhardy like me, and heat it up a bit. I know, I know: cream cheese is one of those 'milk products', but w/o it, the sandwich isn't that great (I tried it). Maybe someone has a good substitute.              As far as soy goes, unless you're using it as produced the old-fashioned way, i.e., fermenting the soy over two (!) summers, you're asking for trouble. Soy contains a lot of naturally occurring toxins and the only way to eliminate them is by a long fermenting process. I'm reasonably certain that most soy products (even in natural foodstores) are not produced by that method.             The main thing I've discovered about food is that your body usually wants what 'sounds good' to you. Be still and listen.

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Thanks for the recipe, Aaron.  And yet another bit towards dispelling the 'soy savior' movement.

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Personally, tofu makes me have horrible gas.
I love it, but I pity whomever has to live with me when I eat it!

Sadly, I read that blood type O people should NOT eat avocados.  I love them, too....

But I really do agree with the philosophy of watching yourself and monitoring yourself and figuring out what is best for you.

I get the feeling with a lot of the "experts" that they are regurgitating information passed on to them, NOT info they have discovered directly themselves.  They read it somewhere....

How many layers has this info been passed through?
What is the original source of the info?
Can it be trusted?

I have been trying to follow the blood-type diet.  It seems when I follow it, it is effective.  But how do "They" know it works and what foods work for which type?

Where is the original source of the info?

And as for Ermolai's comments about "wanderers who are coming from elsewhere and who must learn how to function in this reality, even if they remember of much better places/times" and it's relationship to eating.....

when I was depressed I found that this aspect of my consciousness made me eat.....like to go into trance and forget....

Nowadays when I get into a nice flow I do lose my appetite.  I can relate to that.

I pray for the maturity to accept the imperfections of this realm!  Because not accepting causes me suffering.

Re: what to eat (was Stuie/Yoga/Ghouls)

Since food has become a subject in the recent "Little things that make a difference" thread, I felt like resurrecting this topic of "what to eat". Generally, I've observed that people tend to experiment with their diets before settling into something that best fits their metabolism, so what works for one might not be ideal for others. But if anyone here is up for sharing some key points of what they have found helpful in their diets, I would be glad to listen.

I have taylored my ideal diet to be:

* high in protein and iron: to give me energy and clarity - turkey, fish, chicken, eggs, chick-peas and beans, enriched pasta.

* sufficient calorie content: lack of calories makes me fuzzy headed - no reservations in using butter, olive oil, coconut milk...calories better gotten from fat than carbs

* high in magnesium, potassium: calms the nerves - bananas, vegetable soups made with peanuts and celery among other ingredients.

*pH balancing: to prevent acidity that robs cells of oxygen and creates listlessness - curry, onions, avocados, vegetable soup, coconut juice, tea, bananas, potassium salt

* low in dairy: casein (protein) in dairy can turn into casomorphin, an opiate that gums up the brain...plus I get sick more easily after having too much dairy. I find butter is still okay, and diluted half-n-half is better than equivalent milk, but that coconut milk works best as a non-dairy substitute.

* low in sugar and starches: turbinado sugar in moderation, bread and pastries very rarely.  Unless I slip up, then bye-bye good diet.

*low in nightshades: tomatoes, potatoes, and peppers contain solanine, a substance similar to nicotine which wears down the immune system and is slightly addictive.

* low glycemic: to balance blood sugar and prevent crashes - irish oats, brown basmati rice, protein enriched pasta, butter or oil added to carbs to slow sugar conversion.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

Re: what to eat (was Stuie/Yoga/Ghouls)

tillibullu wrote:

I have been trying to follow the blood-type diet.  It seems when I follow it, it is effective.  But how do "They" know it works and what foods work for which type?

The blood type diet was developed by Dr. Peter D'Adamo, who is a naturopath.  The basis for it is in the observation that certain chemical moieties found in foods closely resemble blood-type antigens, and can precipitate an immune response when presented in the bloodstream.

That being said, I think the blood-type diet is one piece of many, and I have found it to be of only moderate practical value.

And as far as the mighty soybean goes, I happen to know somebody whose great grandfather was one of the developers of the modern soybean.  In his words, "It was never meant for human consumption."

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10 (edited by lyra 2005-12-11 17:27:59)

Re: what to eat (was Stuie/Yoga/Ghouls)

Another note about how the blood type diet works - it's been said to be based on the fact that certain blood types have been around longer than others.  Thus, the oldest blood types, such as O for example, are from the earliest people who relied more heavily on meat and veggies.   The later blood types, such as AB, were from later peoples that relied more on domesticated grains and such, and thus are more acclimated to grains than O people might be.

O blood types from what I understand, have a hard time being able to go vegetarian on a permanent basis.  It's literally not how they're genetically set up you could say.   Whereas A, AB bloodtypes can swing vegetarianism a lot more easily because genetically those blood types developed in the later people who were used to eating more grains.

I'm O, and try as I might, I have yet to be able to master vegetarianism.  The best I did was to do the black beans and brown rice thing in lieu of meat for over 3 weeks.   It did work for those few weeks, but in the end I was getting those burger cravings, and eventually I caved in and went back to eating meat.  So I don't force the issue, and just accept that I'm not able to do it.  Oh well!

I can't prove that the blood type thing has validity, but consider that it may have less to do with "blood type" than about certain genetic races, and who's better adapted for eating certain things.   Who knows!   Just some "food" for thought, wink  pun intended.

An interesting test or experiment for people could be to look at what your racial background is, and compare it to the foods you gravitate to the most, and that which agrees with you the most.  What can you eat?  What can't you eat?  What are your preferences?  Even if you were raised eating certain foods, are those the foods you still prefer to eat?   I don't know, just an idea.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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11 (edited by Sowelu 2005-12-11 17:31:32)

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I'm also "O" and I also can't make a permanent switch to vegetarianism, though I've tried a number of times (quite a few years ago, at this point). And I do sense it's "how I'm genetically made" that makes it so. I rarely have dreams with food in them because I'm just not that food focused in my life, but I had a dream last week of a huge platter of cooked ground beef that I couldn't take my focus off, after not having eaten red meat in a while. LOL! I woke knowing my body needed some.

The book's recommendations for "O" types fits me rather well, I must say. A roommate of mine got it for himself and on a whim I checked what it said for "O's". I don't tend to mess with my diet all that much anymore, preferring to go with what I crave when I check inward rather than using my mind to control the course of my food intake. And so I discovered that I naturally tend toward what the book suggests. I found that interesting.

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12 (edited by lyra 2005-12-11 17:46:24)

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Hi Sowelu, so, what did the book recommend for O?   That's interesting too that you're an O and couldn't do the vegetarianism thing either!   big_smile   Even more so about not being food-focused, and then dreaming about the plate of ground beef --  I'm not food-focused either, at all.  And if I go too long without eating a proper amount of meat, I crave beef in the worst way.  I will NEED beef, and will have to eat a hamburger or something to compensate.    Something about beef that poultry lacks.  When my body is depleted of the protein and vitamins that meat offers, beef / red meat has what the other meats don't.   

Both montalk and I are O bloodtypes, and we've both found that a eating a serving of meat, with brown rice and then veggies works very well for dinner.   Sometimes I'll substitute maybe sweet potatoes for rice for myself, but overall the meat / brown rice / veggies thing strikes a nice balance.   Is that at all similar to what was mentioned in the book you were talking about?

And what about dairy?  Does the book mention O bloodtypes and dairy food?

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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13 (edited by Sowelu 2005-12-11 18:16:20)

Re: what to eat (was Stuie/Yoga/Ghouls)

Hey lyra.

Well, they say these are "Highly Beneficial": Beef, Beef Ground, Buffalo, Heart, Lamb, Liver, Mutton, Veal, Venison.

Neutral would be poultry: Chicken, Cornish Hens, Duck, Partridge, Pheasant, Rabbit (not exactly poultry, I know, but it's in the same neutral category), Turkey, Quail.

And to avoid: Bacon, Goose, Ham, Pork

If you're Asian O, seafood is especially beneficial, like the red meat listed above, but if you're not asian it's still high on the list for O's.

They strongly recommend staying away from dairy products, actually. But for me, I use half and half with no issue at all, and butter almost criminally, and again, no issue. I cannot, however, drink any other milk product without troubles, whether its whole milk or fat reduced or even lactaid, for some odd reason. Soy milks are even worse for me. So I liked Montalk's watering down half and half suggestion, and have even used it myself when something called for "milk".

Eat Right 4/For Your Type wrote:

Type O's should severely restrict their use of dairy products. Their system is ill designed for their proper metabolism, and there are no highly beneficial foods in this group.

If you are a Type O of African ancestry, you should eliminate dairy foods altogether. They tend to be even more difficult for you to digest; indeed, many African-Americans are lactose intolerant. Soy milk and soy cheese are excellent, high-protein alternatives.

Ahh... I just saw here in the book that butter is considered neutral, actually. Feta, Goat cheese and mozzarella are neutral, as well. (I'm not a cheese fan, so no sweat there for me). It mentions to avoid just about every other cheese, including cottage and cream, as well as all yogurts.

Highly beneficial oils for O's are olive and linseed (flaxseed). Canola, Cod liver and sesame are neutral, and all other oils should be avoided.

Apparently O's don't tolerate whole wheat products, any of them, at all, and should eliminate them. Lectins are the issue there. Hah! They say that wheat products are O's main culprit in weight gain. The glutens in wheat germ interfere with the Type O metabolic processes, apparently.

It says we don't utilize beans particularly well, though the Asian O does better with this. Beans inhibit the metabolism of the nutrients found in meat (I didn't know that).

However that said, the following beans ARE "highly beneficial": Aduke, Azuki, Pinto, black-eyed peas. Avoid kidney, navy, lentils (darn!) and copper beans. Neutral are: Garbanzo and cannellini, as well as green beans and string beans and peas.

Whew... wish I had a scanner! LOL!

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
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The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

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Oooh hey, I know you enjoy herbal teas, lyra, and they have a list of "highly beneficial" ones for O's here:

Cayenne, Chickweed, dandelion, fenugreek, ginger, hops, linden, mulberry, parsley, peppermint, rose hips, sarsparilla, slippery elm

Wow, the list of neutrals AND the avoids are rather long, unfortunately. Green tea is a neutral and they say to avoid coffee but I have gravitated toward it since I was 18 and don't seem to experience any ill-effects, so... *shrugs*

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

The evolution of humanity is an evolution of the heart. The path is through the heart.

Re: what to eat (was Stuie/Yoga/Ghouls)

Thanks for posting that, Sowelu. smile  Yes, I'm a criminal butter abuser too, I practically put it on everything!  so it's good to know it's neutral.  big_smile

I do like seafood, but don't get cravings for it though.  Sometimes I get mad cravings for eggs, although I didn't see a mention of it.   And I'm a cheese-fiend, LOVE mozzarella, have a weakness for Italian food for that reason.  (plus it's in the genes, since I'm also part Italian. wink )  Oh, and I'm a wheat fiend too!  But wheat seems to be the ultimate no-no.  Go figure.   I used to eat bowls of wheat chex at a time, but admittedly it didn't go over well with my body and would cause problems.   When I was kid I'd go mad for rice...would eat piles of it.   If someone didn't pull me away from the rice I'd just go bonkers and eat pounds of it all night long!  haha  I wonder why that is. 

But basically, O people are red meat people, is what it boils down to.   Interesting.  I don't want to eat venison though.  Or buffalo.  !  Or liver!  ew!  Or heart!  blech!

Okay, this is TOTALLY off topic, but I thought I'd throw it in here since it's random miscellaneous tidbit, but has anybody here heard about Asian people having bumps on the back of their teeth?   Supposedly, non-Asians' teeth will be straight, from the tip down to the gum.  But for many Asians - not all Asians, but ONLY Asians - the backs of their teeth will form a bump just above the gum line.  It's supposed to be one of those ways to tell whether or not you have Asian in you. Again, not all Asians have it, but it's only Asians that have it.

My ex was told this in college and came home and asked me about my teeth.  I knew exactly what he was talking about because I have those bumps on my teeth.  I'm also part Hungarian, and as we all know our history, Hungary was invaded by Mongolia, so, there you go.   After I heard that I went to work and asked my coworkers about their teeth, as this fun thing.  All the white girls had straight teeth...except my buddy Stacy, who was also part Hungarian.  She had the bumps.   I also know that my mom, who's all white, had straight teeth, because I've seen them, but when I asked my dad (part Hungarian) he had the bumps too...as does my brother. 

Anyway, TOTALLY weird, off topic thing, but I just thought I'd ask, to see if anybody knows about this, and whether it has validity or if it's just bunk....

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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