Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

morningsun76 wrote:

I'm noticing in different threads that everyone is very jumpy lately.  A friend of mine just let me know that Mercury is currently in retrograde, which has the effect of really causing chaos with communications of all sorts.  Misinterpretations and disagreements are in the stars for the immediate future.

So let us read carefully what others post, and react with sensible comments, not twisted-knicker symphonies.

Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

Well,

Regarding Moralmans mention of women loving gay males reminded me of my days living in San Francisco... I was young and attending college there.  Happened to live in what is termed "Polk gulch" area-not unlike the Castro district.  Anyways, it was nice NOT being constantly "hit" upon and living with that  threat that you'd be in danger if shopping, dining alone, whatever-even at night!  (I am female BTW). A single female in a primairly gay neighborhood was not  likely to get raped/harrassed/bothered.

One of my favorite hairdressers during that time was gay, and he jokingly referred to the women loving gays/lotsa gay male friends as "fag hags".  It was all tongue and cheek, but he did make a point.  Bottom line though, he was filled with an acute sense of humanity, accepted people as who ther were, saw much of life as it really was, and had a wonderful sense of humor.  He loved genuinely, pure and simple-not a phoney bone in his body.  Sadly, his partner died of AIDS some time ago...Ironically this hairdresser never contracted it, in spite of being sexually active sans condoms...  One of those mysteries huh?

Another incidence that sparked my memory.  A family with all boys, 4 to be exact - 3 turned out to be gay...Go figure that?  We were childhood playmates spending lotsa fun times playing roller derby, creating neighborhood plays, even barbies...  Certainly makes one wonder the odds that 3 out of 4 boys were gay.  It was kinda like getting a bunch of other sisters to have fun with with!  We played, loved each other, and shared all the ups and downs during those memorable years.

Another interesting note is that there's been research done revealing the fact that women exposed to major stress while pregnant happened to have a higher percentage of homosexual male babies (pregnant during times of war).  Do not recall which medical journal at hand, however it's been noted on a few studies.  There's biochemical, spiritual mysteries, and perhaps genetic conponents pertaining to this general subject. 

All in all, I feel many of us on the forum agree that LOVE is the key-how we may choose to express LOVE is a matter of free will and personal choice.   It seems that the Great Creator is not bound by the constraints of man's logic, but something we yearn to understand  more and more.

If there is no time
      Then you have time for everything.
   You're never in a hurry.
That's true freedom.

Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

john the revelator wrote:

Neomatrix, it must be empowering for you to be able to speak on behalf of "most other people today" when you reference the undisputed source of their knowledge of the concept of sin as being so clearly  the RC  church. From your picture, I wouldn't have guessed you'd be old enough to have interfaced with, what?, billions of other people in order to make such a statement as to how "most other people today" have come to understand sin. Are you telepathic? Ever hear of the Protestants? Some of them have ideas about sin that make the catholics look absolutely academic.

Empowering for me to do what? You do love to assume the worst! I've looked up the numbers online, thank you. But I already said I didn't know much about the other denominations of Christianity. Clearly you missed reading that part. But back to the numbers. The Roman Catholic Church has about a billion adherents worldwide from what I recall. That is a pretty frickin' sizeable chunk of the world's population (about 1/6th of total), don't you think?

john the revelator wrote:

I stated the obvious regarding your tone. I didn't say I didn't like it. And why do you live in such a black-or-white world? "Sugary and nice" or mean-spirited ill-considered, ill-informed venom are your only alternatives?

Nope, I never said they were the only alternatives. You assumed that. I'm just trying to give you alternatives is all: I don't know what floats your boat. The only reason I'm being "venomous" towards you is due to the hostile tone of your posts to me here, right from the start. So, you may want to take a look at the tone of your own posts first before you start jumping down my throat about my attitude.

john the revelator wrote:

You described "energy Yielding infinite variation" of whatever--sounds like an application of energy to me! How else would the energy yield anything unless it was applied?

My, how pedantic you are! Of course the yielding is an application, or a potential application. I never said it wasn't. To me, the universe is a creative process, with Love as the major underlying energy base.

john the revelator wrote:

Lastly, before you again presume to suppose anything about me, you will need to upgrade your system. Your attitude is atrocious and juvenile.

Ditto.

john the revelator wrote:

And you haven't answered my question.

I don't think I'm going to. I don't see that any of this is serving any real purpose.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

"That is a pretty frickin' sizeable chunk of the world's population (about 1/6th of total), don't you think?"

Still isn't most, though.  The asian cultures alone are more than the Christian population.  I wonder what their views on "sin" are, their concept of what's right and wrong.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

Haven wrote:

"That is a pretty frickin' sizeable chunk of the world's population (about 1/6th of total), don't you think?"

Still isn't most, though.  The asian cultures alone are more than the Christian population.  I wonder what their views on "sin" are, their concept of what's right and wrong.

Dunno, go ask them. I doubt they'd even know what "sin" is.

EDIT: Whoa there! Sin is not just about establishing what is right and wrong, as you are implying here. Most societies in the world have these kinds of rules and regulations in place. I'm talking about sin as a religious concept in which a judgemental God punishes people for percieved misdeeds.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

Neomatrix wrote:

The only reason I'm being "venomous" towards you is due to the hostile tone of your posts to me here, right from the start. So, you may want to take a look at the tone of your own posts first before you start jumping down my throat about my attitude.

Neomatrix wrote:

I don't care if I appear to be angry or contrary to you. This is just a result of whatever filters you have in place that are distorting and coloring over what I am saying.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

Neomatrix wrote:
Haven wrote:

"That is a pretty frickin' sizeable chunk of the world's population (about 1/6th of total), don't you think?"

Still isn't most, though.  The asian cultures alone are more than the Christian population.  I wonder what their views on "sin" are, their concept of what's right and wrong.

Dunno, go ask them. I doubt they'd even know what "sin" is.

That's your reply?  Ah, well. 

"Sin" is just a word.  They have a concept of right and wrong, or of "missing the mark".  I wonder what they believe as to what missing the mark is and what are the consequences.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

Oh boy! Hey everyone, it's time for "Let's gang up on Neo night!" You are taking two different posts, made at two different times, then trying to cross-correlate them in some lame attempt to convict me of God only knows what. This is pathetic. I *wasn't* being angry or contrary to John in my earlier posts, thank you Haven, regardless of what he thought at the time. I've only been "venomous" in the most recent ones due to my increasing annoyance in the manner of his responses.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

Haven wrote:

That's your reply?  Ah, well.

No, check my edit.

Neomatrix wrote:

EDIT: Whoa there! Sin is not just about establishing what is right and wrong, as you are implying here. Most societies in the world have these kinds of rules and regulations in place. I'm talking about sin as a religious concept in which a judgemental God punishes people for percieved misdeeds.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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Neomatrix wrote:
Haven wrote:

That's your reply?  Ah, well.

No, check my edit.

Gotcha.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

Neomatrix wrote:

Oh boy! Hey everyone, it's time for "Let's gang up on Neo night!" You are taking two different posts, made at two different times, then trying to cross-correlate them in some lame attempt to convict me of God only knows what. This is pathetic. I *wasn't* being angry or contrary to John in my earlier posts, thank you Haven, regardless of what he thought at the time. I've only been "venomous" in the most recent ones due to my increasing annoyance in the manner of his responses.

Was "Let's gang up on moralman night!" better?

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

Haven wrote:

Was "Let's gang up on moralman night!" better?

You really have a hard on for Moralman, eh?

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

Neomatrix wrote:

Oh boy! Hey everyone, it's time for "Let's gang up on Neo night!" You are taking two different posts, made at two different times, then trying to cross-correlate them in some lame attempt to convict me of God only knows what. This is pathetic. I *wasn't* being angry or contrary to John in my earlier posts, thank you Haven, regardless of what he thought at the time. I've only been "venomous" in the most recent ones due to my increasing annoyance in the manner of his responses.

And it can be taken two ways.  One is that you're lying and that you were being contrary or angry, or that you have failed to apply your own logic to your perceptions.  And I thought there was no God!?!

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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Neomatrix wrote:
Haven wrote:

Was "Let's gang up on moralman night!" better?

You really have a hard on for Moralman, eh?

You get more juvenile by the post.  I hope that you're no older than 16.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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Haven wrote:

And it can be taken two ways.  One is that you're lying and that you were being contrary or angry, or that you have failed to apply your own logic to your perceptions.

I'll leave you to make up your own mind about that one, Haven. I really couldn't give a flying f*ck what you think of me, actually.

Haven wrote:

And I thought there was no God!?!

Really? I never said there wasn't.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe