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Topic: The Godless Communism

http://www.authentichistory.com/images/1960s/treasure_chest/v17_08_23.jpg

I'd recommend reading the whole comic, for obvious reasons wink

Discussion?

I believe that communism is flawed from the beginning as it doesn't take into account the corruption and treachery inherent in many humans. Perhaps a community where everyone shares and contributes would work with the right people, but it's just not right for an entire country, especially when the fellow in charge is a tyrannical bloodthirsty monster, or something to that effect anyway.

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Look, it's page 23.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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Alushe wrote:

I believe that communism is flawed from the beginning as it doesn't take into account the corruption and treachery inherent in many humans. Perhaps a community where everyone shares and contributes would work with the right people, but it's just not right for an entire country, especially when the fellow in charge is a tyrannical bloodthirsty monster, or something to that effect anyway.

I'm still the closet anarchist here. I really don't think that any form of authoritarian government will work in the long term, in any country in the world. Power breeds corruption, end of story. Remove the heirarchy, and let the people be singularly responsible for their own lives and interests.

Haven wrote:

Look, it's page 23.

Your powers of observation astound me. Now, was there a point to that?

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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Don't make me school you again.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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Haven wrote:

Don't make me school you again.

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"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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How funny that the United States does exactly what the comic shows in the fifth panel: sending people to foreign countries to overthrow democracies. The CIA does that stuff all the time in South America and Central America. They even train dictators at the School of the Americas, telling them how to crush insurgents. Anybody who fights for the rights of poor people, teaches people how to read, or organizes labor unions is called an insurgent, and is targetted for violence and assassination. The School of the Americas (renamed the "Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation" in 2001) even trains death squads to roll into villages where "enemy" priests and teachers live. Their they kill everybody--men, women, and children. It's terrorism in its purest form. Even the communists we were always warned against were never so blatant. They were painted as being a lot sneakier.

On the main topic, I don't agree with Communism because it's yet another utopian dream that doesn't take reality into consideration. Unless you're part of a wandering tribe that knows how to live off the land, you're going to need private property in order to survive. The kind of ideological bond that might support a small religious commune can't be extended to an entire country. You're going to get massive corruption and despotism, because who's to stop the bullies? Communism takes history as its "scientific proof" that class struggle is the natural engine of socio-economic change, but it was always the illuminati pulling strings to foment these revolutions. They weren't natural. And it was always the illuminati who ended up in power.

Communists, Neocons, Nazis, Jihadis--all these guys assume that the masses are theirs to manipulate. They think if only they could force the people to see the "truth" of their ideology, then they'd come around. They have no tolerance for differing viewpoints or transcendant viewpoints. To the these extremist ideologues, it's obvious that anybody who doesn't agree with them is so very wrong that they're no longer even human. They kill such people en masse for the "good" of everyone else. This kind of thinking is the opposite of Zen, which advises leaders to stop grasping for control. If you read the Tao Te Ching, you'll find instructions on ruling through inaction rather than action, by understanding the nature of humanity and working with it rather than against it. The only way we're going to see successful communism is if humanity itself is re-engineered to suit it. (Which is a distinct possibility, looking at the direction in which technology is headed.)

--Justin

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Neomatrix - I never said I had any faith in authoritarian governments, I used the word "community".

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The 23, when I was exploring its connection to imminent alien invasion, is a synchronicity.  I had read, once upon a time, that the ultimate goal of the New World Order was a socialist world.  It caught my eye that there's a 23 on the page, and the last panel has an octopus, reminding me of the Chthulu mythos and its story of imminent invasion by other-worldly beings.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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I think Communism as it developed politically was a red herring.  It was supposed to fail.  Its fundamental flaw was that it still relied on a heirarchical form of government.  Any progress towards a community based society must come from the bottom up.  That usually scares people.

Yes, czyx, you are right about the US government and overthrowing governments.  Its not just Latin America.  Its everywhere, Iran, Phillipines, Congo/Zaire.... it goes on and on and on.  And those are just the covert ones. sad

Kathy

Never Give Up!

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The website that the comic is on also features Iran/Contra trading cards big_smile