31 (edited by lyra 2004-12-08 09:33:55)

Re: Everything You've Been Told About the "Grays" is Bunk

manyeagles wrote:

I had an experience many years ago with the creatures Montalk described.  Hooded, stocky, and short (called them the raisin people). They were surrounding my bed, total of six and felt as if the bonds of sleep paralysis were very strong.  Havn't had this ever since thank goodness...


Isn't this what Whitley Streiber also described in "Communion" ?   I remember seeing something similar to this in the movie.  These blue skinned, fat, wrinkled, short stocky hooded beings with ugly pug faces surrounding him as they transported him around during his abductions.   They weren't very friendly to him, either.   

Another interesting thing I remember about the movie, (I only saw it once, in 1991 when I was 16...)  was that at the end, there's an image of the porcelain white gray face that you see throughout the movie.....................but then you see it as a mask.  Separate and lying there by itself. 

I remember frowning when I saw that and got annoyed and then dismissed the movie as bunk, because I just REAAAAAAALLY believed that Grays were exactly what I'd been reading, and NOBODY had ever even insinuated that the lovable Gray face could actually be a fascade, a lie, a mask or disguise of sorts.   This bothered me.  I never forgot it.    But this is why I'm here with this thread, warning people that what we've been brainwashed with concerning the Grays may not be the truth.   I know how it feels to want to believe in something fun and fanciful, I was once there myself.   Boy does it make life more interesting to be reading all the alien and UFO and abduction books when everybody you're surrounded by in life is so mainstream, boring and bland and only interested in the "normal" topics.  It feels good to be the black sheep of the bunch, investigating these topics with a vengence and believing in things others don't believe in. 

Well, I still believe in them, but, now I tend to be more realistic, even slightly cynical about it.   And I am here to expose the truth, with the help and participation of other Noble Realm-ers!   (insert triumphant music here)   big_smile

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ok... i gotta say a few things here....

firstly.... there are two main types of "greys" which are completely unrelated to each other, just looking slightly simalar...
1) the wrinkly greys... which are a very old race of intelligent beings which did evolve themselves via DNA manipulation a long time ago.
2) the big almond eyed greys.. which are not what they appear to be... they are just like jump-suits for this particular race of small reptilian worker beings... Credo Mutwa the Zulu sharman stated that they found dead beings and cut them open (took ages as skin was more like some kinda very hard shell) and a off-white reptilian scaly being was inside... the large black almond eyes are simply goggles to allow them to protect there very sensitve eyes due to living underground and been unable to withstand sunlight...

so there are two distincly different beings here been discussed.

ALSO we should consider the demonic aspect of all this, fallen angels have throught history appeared an whatever form will frighten us and create fear, in the past it was demons...dragons...now its alien creatures... we live in a holographic world/universe which is essentially illusion... these entities appear how the Matrix wants them to appear, because they are a product of the matrix... just projections into our mental reality..., the matrix encompasses this reality and shows us what it wants us to belive for fear creation... ie: as we become more awake, sophisticated, the matrix has to create more sophisticated illusions to match our modern day understandings of technology and so on.. so these aliens "wow" us with there amazing technology.. BUT..its just illusion on a higher level of understanding... as iuve said before and will continue to..we can debate the details of these alien/hybrids/demonic entites but what if this whole fascination with these beings due to the influx of programs like "The xfiles" and stargate etc... we are been conditioned to turn our collective attention to these illusions to distract us from our real goals!!! which is realising this is illusion and not buying into this and not giving energy to the matrix via these beings... you see all this debate and energy we spend on such things is in a way what the matrix wants from us... more distraction ... more time wasting ...while we could be learning to manipulate this reality ourselves to whatever future we wish for... but by turning our focal point of awareness away from so much debate and onto the understanding of how we can become the rulers of our own world... anyway im not suggesting that we forget about these beings/illusions... but we should remeber that "Infinate love is the ONLY truth, and everything else is illusion", we live in a forced dream world... that is all....

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we have souless robitic agents of the matrix and souled entities that have been fooled into working for the matrix... these are those that distract us and create fear... then there are those positive beings of various types that try to help us, some of these are also unaware of the matrix control system, ie they exist in annother levl of the matrix but are still trapped in the illusion.. they want to help us but at the same time they may not realise there own plight!   
we can exit this illusion and experience infinty via patience and practice at meditation or by sharmanic use of plants... ahuasca for example... but reality is illusion and beings we meet are either like us and dont know the full picture or are non-souled illusions created by the matrix... there are many levels to the matrix, hellish, angelic, heavenly, all these levels to suit each persons beliefs... for example... when we die we goto where we think we should go, heaven/hell/some buddisht place/ various intermediary levels before incarnating again, but they are all encompassed within the matrix illusion!! they are all for the purpose of recycling us back again and again to create energy to feed the matrix...!!!  therefore, lets help eachother to exit this illusion, not feed it more enegy...
one more point...  the matrix knows we have "wised up to much now" as we have in the past cycles... it wants to "restart" humanity... ie. kill off a large portion of humanity.. create WWIII and then start of the remaning inhabitants back in an ignorant state so that the whole big 26000 year cycle can happen again... this is what the matrix hopes will happen... this cant happen this time around... for various reasons...

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well, to add on;

these are the "grey types" i have heard of.

Zeta Reticuli Greys
Orion/ Rigelian Grays

now, i dont doubt that the smooth skinned almond eyed beings sighted are shells used by other beings, but thats probably in additon to the two types i mentioned above.

supposedly the orion/rigelian grays are a bit taller(6ft), actually have pendulent noses, and are the ones who have 'shook hands' with governments. these are probably also allied with reptilians, since they are from the same Orion area. there is a chance that these could be 'clones' used by reptilians, but something tells me no.

the zetas are supposedly smaller(3ft) dont really have noses, and are the ones we hear that were really into DNA engineering (but, all of these aliens seem to be DNA manipulators/engineers, thats just a part of higher existance, mastering your DNA code)

now, feel free to debunk or add on to what ive said.

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

35 (edited by lyra 2004-12-09 13:06:37)

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Hi AwakeKiwi, thanks for your input.  What's interesting is in that dream I had where I was beating up a Gray, the thing that surprised me was how solid the "skin" was, like you mentioned.  I hit him and it was so SOLID.  Not fleshy.  I thought that was so odd and I figured that it showed that it was obviously "just a dream."   Now I'm not so sure!   While it may have been a dream, it also may have contained some factual details. 

Regarding this: 

AwakeKiwi wrote:

  BUT..its just illusion on a higher level of understanding... as iuve said before and will continue to..we can debate the details of these alien/hybrids/demonic entites but what if this whole fascination with these beings due to the influx of programs like "The xfiles" and stargate etc... we are been conditioned to turn our collective attention to these illusions to distract us from our real goals!!! which is realising this is illusion and not buying into this and not giving energy to the matrix via these beings... you see all this debate and energy we spend on such things is in a way what the matrix wants from us... more distraction ... more time wasting ...while we could be learning to manipulate this reality ourselves to whatever future we wish for... but by turning our focal point of awareness away from so much debate and onto the understanding of how we can become the rulers of our own world... anyway im not suggesting that we forget about these beings/illusions... but we should remeber that "Infinate love is the ONLY truth, and everything else is illusion", we live in a forced dream world... that is all....


I agree, mostly.  But I don't consider it a waste to discuss this topic, among others, because the fact is, it's happening to people.   People are being abducted, assaulted, programmed, etc., people have misconceptions about who their abductors are, many are propagating New Age disinfo., and, there is a campaign happening right now to condition us to accept aliens into our realities.  The only way to get to the bottom of it is to have quality interactive discussion.  A messageboard is one good avenue for this, like here. 

Why this is important -- because by saying "Oh, this is all an illusion!   We live in a holographic universe!" doesn't change anything.   The abductions are still happening, in full force.   I've tried taking on this attitude.....hasn't stopped or changed anything really.   I still have abductions.   For others here it's the same situation.  Proclaiming that this is all an illusion hasn't stopped anything.   And some still continue believing their abductions are positive and don't try to stop them.   

If you're going to transcend the illusion, then you have to confront the things that are standing at the gate, blocking your way out.  One of those things happens to be the "aliens", the Grays, Reps, what have you.   It seems to me that what you're saying is we should deny these subjects, ignore them, label them as "time wasters", "distractions", etc. as you said, and try to just say it's all an illusion.  Meanwhile, that will solve everything.   I say, "X!!!"   Just my perspective though.  Tackle things head on, transcend them and then you can move on.    You know what I think is a time waster?   Watching TV.  Hanging out at the mall.   Stuff like that.   Discussing the topic of aliens, swapping info. and personal stories, and trading notes??   That's a helpful step in the right direction.  That is most definitely not wasting time.  It's getting to the bottom of things and trying to find a ways to eliminate a problem.

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well as i said ...

"anyway im not suggesting that we forget about these beings/illusions... but we should remeber that "Infinate love is the ONLY truth, and everything else is illusion", we live in a forced dream world... that is all...."

Its fine to discuss these things for sure, but the abductions can be stopped by realising that it is simply happening to you on an etheric level... via a bridge built into your personal reality,,, and at some level in this life or a previous one you have allowed these abductions to take place... that may seem hard for some to grasp but it is illusion and i will always state this because it is my purpose for comming here in the first place!  Ive had this argument thrown back at me many times.. but like i said im not one of those new agers who suggests we pretend its not happening... all im asking is that you try come to the gradual realisation that this is a manipulation of your percieved reality! there are ways to stop these abductions.. to protect yourself and the best way is to ask for protection... and belive it possible to stop these... really belive it!!

37 (edited by lyra 2004-12-09 13:54:19)

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AwakeKiwi wrote:

  well as i said ...

"anyway im not suggesting that we forget about these beings/illusions... but we should remeber that "Infinate love is the ONLY truth, and everything else is illusion", we live in a forced dream world... that is all...."

Sorry, I overlooked that.  smile   I do agree about abductions following a person around from lifetime to lifetime.   It makes sense.   While our outer shells change, the soul is the same, (evolving, of course, but it's the same soul....well, I hope.....!)My life has been filled with absolute nuttiness.  I can't imagine that in all my previous lifetimes my existances were bland and normal.  Ha!  Right!  Yup, so I'm sure I had craziness then too. 



AwakeKiwi wrote:

  im asking is that you try come to the gradual realisation that this is a manipulation of your percieved reality! there are ways to stop these abductions.. to protect yourself and the best way is to ask for protection... and belive it possible to stop these... really belive it!!

Well, I think I'll try that. Maybe I just haven't been doing this right.  So far nothing I've done has worked, but I probably haven't adopted the right mentality.  I'll have to try some new techniques.

Edit:  Coming back in here to add this, but I just remembered a Black Helicopter incident I had last year in May of 2003.  This was the worst one ever, because the thing was hovering next to my building for 5 minutes, then moved directly on top of my apartment, just going and going and going and going, hovering and harrassing me.   "A little birdie" (my higher self) told me to treat this like I would an entity who's bothering me.   So I did.   I adopted the mindset that you basically just desribed -  This isn't real and I'm NOT havin' it...............it was like changing the radio station to a different frequency, from fear and anxiety to one that just completely rejected what was going on around me.

And it stopped.  As soon as I did that, standing in the middle of my livingroom, it hightailed it out of there.  Never happened again.  smile  wink   

Thanks for the reminder though, I needed that.    Hopefully it'll help others too.

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As far as my own experiences are concerned, I have not had any classic examples of abduction or black helicopters and the suchlike... Anyway when i was a kid i always fantisized about been abducted and that i wasnt from this planet, how could i be when all around me my age are acting so strangely, full of egos and anger and more importantly everyone seemed lost in a world of what i considered trivial life... when i was 10 i remember been aware that schooling was wrong and that all information been fed to us seemed so self limiting and deceptive. It wasnt to my later teens that i started to develop an ego simply to fit in and be considered normal for my family and friends. I am well intergrated now and understand the human condition adequately enough to now be in a position to help others wake up to the fact that our reality is self-limiting. Ie, the only limitations are our own beliefs and the hardwired beliefs in our DNA. I now understand that I am not from some alien world but have in recent times (linearly speaking of course) come from a place outside of the space/time linear illusion for the purpose of awakening others to this limitless knowledge of our true origon (excuse my spelling) outside of this Sphere/Matrix fear grid superimposed over our own origonal Matrix that we created eons ago for our own experience of disconnection from the infinate.  phew.........
so anyway ive had my own run-ins with entities, for example been strangled by a reptilian attempting to kill me in my sleep so that i would be one of those adults who mysteriously die in their sleep. His attempt was pathetic really and i woke up during this happening with a sudden jolt but with no fear at (for some reason). This has never happened again and cant unless i let it. I see how it happened. I was having a dream, in that dream i was presented with various opportunitys to engage in sex, it seems that while i was having sex in this dream, i was been strangled at the end of it without been aware of it, its like the sexual energy is used in some way to allow the entity to access my physically, it wasnt until the sudden jolt that woke me up that i had an awareness of big scaly hands around my thoat just for a moment...  kinda a weird experience as while i was engaged in sexual arousal in the dream state i wasnt aware that my body was been attacked... anyway just thought it might be interesting for someone .... bye for now guys and girls.. gotta work

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AwakeKiwi wrote:

... Anyway when i was a kid i always fantisized about been abducted and that i wasnt from this planet, how could i be when all around me my age are acting so strangely, full of egos and anger and more importantly everyone seemed lost in a world of what i considered trivial life... when i was 10 i remember been aware that schooling was wrong and that all information been fed to us seemed so self limiting and deceptive.

Same experience here.  I always sensed something was seriously wrong with the world and the way people behaved.  I always figured I would understand it when I grew up.  Well, I'm 28 now and I guess I can say I understand it, but not the way I expected to! What I understand is that I was right to be confused as a child, because everybody REALLY IS as nutty as they seemed back then!  Strange thing, life.

AwakeKiwi wrote:

... it seems that while i was having sex in this dream, i was been strangled at the end of it without been aware of it, its like the sexual energy is used in some way to allow the entity to access my physically, it wasnt until the sudden jolt that woke me up that i had an awareness of big scaly hands around my thoat just for a moment...  kinda a weird experience as while i was engaged in sexual arousal in the dream state i wasnt aware that my body was been attacked... anyway just thought it might be interesting for someone ....

There's a scene in the book "Illuminatus!" by Robert Anton Wilson where one of the characters is being initiated into some secret society of a golden apple or something (don't remember exactly) and part of the ritual involves him copulating with -- thrusting into this giant apple.  At the moment of orgasm, a body falls from the air nearby, with a noose around its neck, which snaps violently as the rope is exhausted.  The point of which being to instill the message by the sheer shock of the situation that the price of orgasm is death.  In other words, sex is one of the prime manifestations of the survival instinct (life), and it implies the necessity of death.

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Hi all,
        As always very interesting discourse abounds in the house of the "Nobles".As one of the stickiest arenas of research, it appears that common threads of grey et al appearance are easily reached, and all within a thread entitled "Everything you've been told is bunk..." The Grey/rep hybridisation thru rape and scoop rave that has spawned so much product over the last 50 years has always had that niggling possibility lurking beneath... that HUMAN EXPECTATION creates UFOS ( a jungian rationale I think).
        As the very beautiful Lyra so adroitly began pointing out at the apex of this thread, the whole archetype,if you will,of abducteeism has such tainted tentacles, with official help no less, that one can only safely enter these waters by posing oneself the question- What came first- the IMPLANT or the IMPRINT?
        A hysterical observation by the inimitable R.A.W helped re-ground my own journey of discovery in all matters Alien, when he noted that the first recorded alien abductee was...Bugs Bunny! (1952-"Hasty Hasty Hare"). This phenomenom we communicate is extremely important, and worthy of way more discussion, I actually have no doubts as to the potentiality of the dreaded ET, I mean clearly some force of apparent higher vibrational origin has been f*cking with the astral collective for aeons, and could do with a right royal etheric kick in the arse for their poor use of freewill law, but until we can collectively pool data, remove personal prejudice syntax from the mix, and strive for nothing less than bulletproof consensus-attained primarily via the stringent partitioning of all available data into ASSERTION or ARGUMENT, then this loop will continue to plague 3rd density evermore...

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Thoughts on DISCLOSURE PROJECT?

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hi reason

your words create much interest in me.

the Disclosure Project, im glad someone mentioned it finally!

I have watched this conference over and over quite a few times. I feel sincere concern with most of these people on that conference. Some of them seem even a bit worried to go up and talk about this.

The scientist claimed the Government has catalogues over 57+ types of Alien lifeforms... which some may think is ludicrous, but i think they are counted amoeba-like forms and many other things that we dont normally think of as aliens. but still, 57 is a bit number, and yet the populace still can;t get a straight answer to the question "are we alone?" its pretty frustrating.

I havent had the time to read thru all of the Disclosure Project briefing documents etc... so if anyone who has read them can point out any good sections regarding the Greys, Grays, and whatnot- please let me know.

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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What I don't understand about the Disclosure Project is why it hasn't been given more publicity in the mainstream media. The whole project has been criminally ignored in my opinion (Certainly in the UK anyway).

On the one hand there's a good case to be made for the government trying to make everyone believe in the reality of nuts & bolts alien space craft, piloted by friendly grey beings.

But on the other hand about 95% of people have never heard of Disclosure which is mainly due to the complete lack of coverage in the mainstream media. Why is that? Do they want people to believe in aliens or not?

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they want people to be absolutely confused about Aliens, so they wont know what the hell to expect, which in return they hope will cause the "people" to look at the "government/TPTB" for help,guidance, for answers.

my only problem with the Disclosure Project is Greer himself, i dont trust.

like something stated in another thread i think, that most of these "projects" trying to bust Conspiracies - the ones that are truly harmful will be marginilized. the ones that have some disinformation, will be allowed to continue.

seems to be true.

(then ... William Cooper was right? Holy Moly!!!  hahaha im kidding, kind of)

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

44 (edited by wandering1 2004-12-13 18:49:41)

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For those of you who have cable TV, there is a History Channel show coming up on the Grays.  See the description below.  I'm going to try to watch it.


New UFO Revelations: The Gray's Agenda.
Airs on Saturday, December 18 at 1:00pm ET

According to ufologists, the Grays--beings from another world--abduct humans, implant devices, and conduct reproductive experiments. The most "familiar" alien, we see their images in every media. What do they want? Where are they from? Do alien life forms kidnap humans in order to replicate their dying race? Is our government in collusion with extraterrestrials in exchange for advanced technology? Hundreds of eyewitnesses swear they encountered aliens and dozens claim they have actual physical proof. To test their claims and sift fact from fiction, we conduct a hypnotic regression in which abductees relive shocking alien encounters, witness surgery to remove a foreign object, and sweep the night sky looking for possible alien-inhabited planets. So join us as we go in search of the Grays and their alien agenda.

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Hi Zonabi,
              The "Disclosure" conference was ok- however the Witness testimony dvd is outstanding! I created a track based around Karen Rosin's testimony- I feel that's about all the masses need to hear to get a fix on the game.Download the mp3 of it a my website www.instituteofreason.com ... it's the track called "AGENDA BENDER"

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