[ Closed ] A few questions about Professional Wrestling (Page 6 of 11)

Looks like a stalemate. Everyone's had their say and no one is listening enough to concede to one another. This topic has served the purpose of bringing onto the table issues of tolerance vs intolerance, complicated by the fact that tolerating foolishness is foolishness in itself, and not tolerating foolishness can come off as intolerance. Who can win given the choice of supporting foolishness or supporting intolerance? Well, just remember your participation in this thread is voluntary and this isn't the only thread on NR. I for one have a few more things to say here.

Had this thread been started in the Humor and Fun section, there wouldn't be a problem...the problem is Moralman taking something seriously that in context of other NR discussions is not so serious.

Can we discuss the positive side of wrestling? Sure, we can talk about how it makes people happy, how it's a microcosmos of grander human dynamics just as the greek myths and plays were, how the violence is staged and therefore harmless, and how wrestling like everything else is one expression of energy within the Infinite Creator. Though where do we draw the line, since the positive side of anything - no matter how trivial - can be discussed in some way or another?

That the subject of wrestling has some value does not show it is less trivial than other topics. I gather from Moralman's posts that boxing and wrestling are just as important to him as the encroaching police state, the alien presence, and metaphysical subjects in general. And for him, that is fine. Individuals may have their views - the issue here comes down to the frequent nature in which he posts questions on a forum that in context of the rest of the discussions on NR come off as strangely trivial at times, which has the effect of what others might label "lowering the signal to noise ratio." But more to the point, the issue centers around what I perceive to be an innocent but one-sided way of requesting time and energy from people without giving thoughtful feedback in return, as though these replies were requested mainly to let him preach under the guise of mutual discussion.

We could discuss other questions equally as legitimate but trivial as wrestling after 2012. Will there be casino gambling after 2012? Will we get to watch Sex in the City and Friends reruns after 2012? Will I get to take my Gameboy into fourth density? Will Jesus tolerate my intolerance? Will the density of love and understanding have room for my lack thereof? Will personal gratification have an added dimension of pleasure in a realm of selflessness? Will I get to keep all my STS desires and past times when I become STO?

What paradoxical questions! I can only say this: after 2012 we will go where we are best suited and willing to go, which differs from individual to individual. The Shift is a branching of collective paths moreso than an upliftment of everyone to the same realm. Some paths will have all the wrestling and boxing you could want, some paths will include what appeals to an entirely different crowd. Moralman, Jesus allows all to choose their paths since nonjudgment necessitates this, but not all chosen paths lead straightaway to the Kingdom of Heaven.

Moralman, if discussions only involved mutual stating of opinions then your approach would not be out of place. And some threads are exactly that, a survey of opinions. But true discussion involves mutual exchange of not only opinions, but also feedback - this feedback must be more than just a restatement of the original opinion. Asking five questions, getting replies, and thanking people for those replies and then restating your opinion on the matter is your style. It is sincere but lacking something...you ask, you receive, and that is that. Sometimes discussion takes off when those who replied in turn give feedback to each other; that is when the discussion becomes balanced and dynamic. Otherwise it's just a game of marco pollo, question answer, voice and echo, a mechanical routine like a toddler's habit of repeatedly asking  "why" without ever pondering "why".

You may see no problem with your approach since you're just stating your opinion and asking for others' opinions, but over time it strains the patience of those you ask because it lacks any synergistic elements returning to the whole what energy was invested in answering you. In a perfect world we would have infinite resources and energy to give without having to receive, and I think that's what being STO is like, but members of this forum have finite time and energy. An imbalanced exchange shortchanges the time and energy of the whole and that's why the word "distraction" was used more than once on this thread.

Your questions can be answered to a degree and at a certain pace, but sometimes either the nature or frequency of your questions exceeds that balancing point. The question about wrestling, as much as it can be legitimately discussed by those with the patience, toes the line and for some was the straw that broke the camel's back. Everyone on this thread can be true to themselves and acting in defense of some perceived integrity, but relative incompatibilities between these causes friction that can't be resolved without people going against their inner natures. That's why this topic is a stalemate and in my opinion there is neither blame nor righteousness...it just is what it is, and the best we can do is take from it what things we did not see before about ourselves and others.

If you have a problem with this, email me and we'll get it resolved. I am withdrawing my participation in this thread since every post on a divisive issue seems to send it tailspinning onto another tangent.

I'd just like to add my two cents here:

I believe wrestling and other violent pastimes exist because humanity needs someway to channel it's violence now that we live in such a "civilised time". There was a time when humanity lived alongside the rest of nature with the fight or flight, hunting, strongest in charge mentality.
Now things are alot different; man's impulses have been suppressed. They need to be channeled. I believe this is also a contributing factor as to why people can "snap" and kill mercilessly.

And just when we thought this thread was dead. Oh well, I'm sure we've all had time to pause and reflect in the aftermath. So whilst I will apologize for the tone and wording of several of my posts on this thread, I still think that perhaps Moralman may fare better on some forum other than Noble Realms. I'm not trying to deliberately ostracize him, so don't think I am. But he clearly holds to some very traditional Christian values, bonded to a rather perceptible fixation with the year 2012 and some decidedly apocalyptic beliefs and hopes regarding that time period. I just find it odd that such a person would come here asking questions that are definitely of a "New Age" flavor, get numerous individual responses from the folks here to muse upon and consider, then instead simply respond with his own Christian-oriented view of the matter. As Moralman has said, this is an alternative discussion forum. Judgemental, black-and-white Christian values are most definitely not alternative viewpoints. Is this forum really a place for such mainstream religious belief systems, even if they are oddly bonded to alternative topics?

I think to put out a thread like this about wrestling is to initiate something that is meant to 'word' down the forum with useless fill stuff.  It is like yeasting bread growing out of proportions.  Better to be clearcut & organized (or something).  Threads like this disorganizes it.  Manipulative diversion/digression is what it seems like.  Making the intent and purpose of the forum run out into the sand.  At least: then we have awareness of another tactic that is being used; to ease off energy or something.
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Because it wasn't supposed to be "A Catholic Forum."   It was SUPPOSED to be an end times / prophesies / NWO/ conspiracies / Current events forum, that also *happened to have* Catholicism topics as well.    There's nothing wrong with that.  Not every topic / thread on a forum is going to appeal to all people.  So there was a variety, something for everybody.   Problem is, there was a group of nutters on the board who didn't want to see non-Catholics on the board.  If somebody made the mistake of saying they weren't Catholic, then that was it, you were black marked and harrassed.   Thing was, there were people from all denominations of Christianity, some Jews, a few Agnostics, and people like myself.   But the Catholics stepped up and made sure to dominate.  There were SO many fights there between Protestants and Catholics.  It was sick.  I avoided those threads and stuck to the news / current events / NWO / conspiracy / end times material.  I never picked fights with people EVER regarding their religion.  I just wanted to discussion conspiracy / NWO / news topics.  Unfortunately, fighting found me, because not only do I talk about the "weird" topics, but I'm very confident about it.  This rubs some people the wrong way.