61 Reply by T-Ren (edited by T-Ren 2004-12-08 05:38:32)

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Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

Neo, That was why I posted John's responses, since the thread "bobbed and weaved" smile so much, it is hard to see the mixed messages a person can send from reading individual posts. Maybe the harshness (of tone) was something I added in my reading of the thread.

Something this thread has caused me to do is rethink my attitude towards sports in general. The Piston/Pacer brawl and some other college level incidents also grouped in with my very basic understanding of "loosh" has made me step back. The negative emotional energy created by wrestling in particular but sports in general is amazing. I am a big sports fan and I will probably still watch sports but I will put it in perspective now. It has added a new dimension to the ideal to be "in the world but not of the world."

Just some thoughts.

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Dear Friends
kind regards
I would like to respond to the following people.
T-ren...........
I know that the World Wrestling Federation is scripted but at the same time it is harmless entertainment at the highest level of perception and at its very best therefore I support its continuation after the World shift in 2012.
I can be a man of peace and a wrestling fan.........who says that I can't?
Wrestling was family friendly entertainment with scripted violence.
Muhammad Ali was a boxer and championed alot of good causes including World peace and he isn't contradicting himself.
Neo-matrix...........
For your information I have raised other subjects about what would happen to the universe and humanity in 2012 in previous subject threads.
I would like to know if wrestling would survive the changes in 2012 along with all other things and if you fail to understand the logic in that then that is really your own fault.
A person such as yourself that includes Draconian souls and the Illuminati in universal oneness(Body of Christ) cannot grasp the logic of something innocent like wrestling surviving into the shift?
Bumblebee.........
Thank you for defending me however I don't really believe that I am poor in expressing my points.
I think that most people who have criticised me in this forum subject thread are poor in understanding where I am coming from and what I mean...........the fault lies with them.
Yours thankfully
John

63 Reply by feritciva (edited by feritciva 2004-12-08 06:29:47)

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Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

I love sports too and I noticed some interesting things this past weeks. I was in America during this Pistons/Pacers brawl and I noticed that there were lots of policemen in the next match.

I returned to Turkey then to learn a guy was stabbed to death during a football match here in Istanbul and guess what? There were more than usual policemen in next week's matches.

What did Icke said? Problem - reaction - solution? Here are two examples from sports in different parts of the world.

I'm waiting for their next move with this logic. Did anyone watch the movie Equilibrium??

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Dear Feritcita
kind regards
Its interesting to discuss what you just bought up.
Football matches and other sports always have riots whilst the WWF has never had one fan riot in its long history.
I doubt the Illuminati could ever use Wrestling as a means to advance its agenda and in fact the World wildlife fund for nature(WWF) has launched numerous lawsuits against the World Wrestling Federation hence the reason why they now call it the WWE.
Wrestling at its best is harmless fun and family entertainment and I believe that people on this website should actually research Wrestling history before condemning it outright.
Its interesting that people on this website research Extraterrestrials, spirituality and mushroom potions yet they cannot research on professional wrestling.
yours thankfully
John

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Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

Moralman

Perhaps you should drink one of those mushroom potions for yourself (And make it extra strong!). You never know, it might open you up to some new ideas about life, like the fact  that wrestling is not the most important thing in the universe, and that everything is connected -  Even the Illuminati

Just an idea for you to consider...

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66 Reply by lyra (edited by lyra 2004-12-08 08:22:01)

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Moralman wrote:

Its interesting that people on this website research Extraterrestrials, spirituality and mushroom potions yet they cannot research on professional wrestling.
yours thankfully
John



The fact that you think wrestling should even be in the same category with the others is quite telling in itself!   

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Dear Ayahuasca
kind regards
OK lets say for arguement sake that you have a point about Mushroom juice and its ability to convince people that everything is universal oneness.
I have three questions for you.........
1. If the Illuminati is apart of universal oneness then isn't Wrestling apart of universal oneness also?
2. Wrestlers have cermented their legacy as legends-after the 2012 are Souls who have become famous wrestlers supposed ditch the sport that made them legendary?
Is Hulk Hogan supposed to forget about wrestling and start a career in knitting after the Shift?
3. If the Illuminati are apart of universal oneness what will happen to them after the 2012 shift?
Will they be allowed to reap Gods blessings and benefits purely on the assumption that they are apart of universal oneness when the shift happens and the New Jerusalem descends on Earth?
You and others on this forum make no contrast and division between good and evil-yet they both exist.
Surely the Earth which has a mind of its own wouldn't need to make a shift if it didn't believe that it needed to purify itself of the Illuminati filth.
The universe obviously recognises the contrast between positivity and negativity-why is it going to shift if it wasn't for that reason?
Again I state that I perceive your definition of universal oneness(Body of Christ) to be those Souls who follow the path of righteousness in their daily lives-thats not to say that those who follow righteousness have to be saints but nonetheless they must know the difference between good and evil and embrace the first whilst shunning the latter.
If everything is one and the same then please answer this question.........
4. Where you taught right from wrong as a child?
For example you were probably taught not to bully people-yet did you bully people and not bully people based on an assumption that bullying and non bullying are both universal oneness?
If you could answer these questions A.S.A.P I'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
John

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Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

Moralman

The way you apply logic to things truly astounds me. I don't even know why I'm answering your questions, but here goes:

OK lets say for arguement sake that you have a point about Mushroom juice and its ability to convince people that everything is universal oneness.

I've never said that mushrooms will convince anyone of anything. I'm just saying give them ago, you never know what might happen, and what you might learn. Maybe you'll just have lots of visions of wrestlers.

1. If the Illuminati is apart of universal oneness then isn't Wrestling apart of universal oneness also?

Of course it is. Where have I ever stated that wrestling is not part of universal oneness, and what does that have to do with anything anyway?


2. Wrestlers have cermented their legacy as legends-after the 2012 are Souls who have become famous wrestlers supposed ditch the sport that made them legendary?

I have no idea Moralman. Perhaps after the shift all professional wrestlers will decide that wrestling is a waste of time and do something more constructive with their lives. Perhaps they will spend their days in deep though and contemplation about life. How can anyone possibly know?

Is Hulk Hogan supposed to forget about wrestling and start a career in knitting after the Shift?

Yes I think he should. I think Hulk Hogan should start a career in knitting. I mean why not? I didn't think he was still wrestling these days anyway? He could knit Hulk Hogan sweaters for people like you and all the other billions of wrestling fans to buy. He could make an absolute fortune from it.

3. If the Illuminati are apart of universal oneness what will happen to them after the 2012 shift?

I have no idea Moralman, perhaps they will be still around in some form, perhaps they will move to Mars, or some other place in the universe. Maybe they will disappear up their own backsides never to be seen again.

Will they be allowed to reap Gods blessings and benefits purely on the assumption that they are apart of universal oneness when the shift happens and the New Jerusalem descends on Earth?

It probably depends on what they want. If they confess their wicked sins and ask God for forgiveness and promise to be good little people, then surely God would be obliged to forgive them? Isn't that what Jesus preached about? Forgiveness? Or did I miss something at all those sunday schools I went to?


You and others on this forum make no contrast and division between good and evil-yet they both exist.

You keep referring to Montalks articles in your posts, but it seems like you haven't read them yourself. Most people here believe in the concept of STO (Service to Others - which is positive) and STS (Service To Self - which is negative). So yes STO and STS exist, but for the universe to work there has to be a balance between them. How do you recognise positive if negative doesn't exist? Everything has its place in the universe. As Montalk states in key concepts:

montalk wrote:

Morality

- all that encourages spiritual evolution is called positive, all that hinders it is called negative

- what causes pain and is self-serving is called “evil,“? what is loving and altruistic is called “good“?

- good and evil are subjective and relative, but positive and negative are objective and absolute

- proper balance between good and evil forces results in positivity

- too much good leads to stagnation, too much evil leads to total destruction, which is negativity

- balance is maintained by having both in proper ratio and diametric opposition
one who fights solely for good or evil is a fool, one who fights strictly for positivity is a noble warrior

-such a warrior will incorporate the proper balance of good/evil within himself, then seek to restore balance to negative systems


Surely the Earth which has a mind of its own wouldn't need to make a shift if it didn't believe that it needed to purify itself of the Illuminati filth.

Surely if God was so incredible and so powerful then the Illuminati filth wouldn't be here in the first place. In one of your earlier posts you said that God made a mistake. Well God can't be all that amazing if he made a bad mistake like that now can he? I mean if he's made one mistake already, how do you know he won't keep on making mistakes? Maybe he'll f*ck the shift up too and end up turning it into our worst nightmare - Perhaps the Illuminati will become even more powerful.

The universe obviously recognises the contrast between positivity and negativity-why is it going to shift if it wasn't for that reason?

How do you know there's even going to be a shift? And even if there is a shift how do you know it's going eradicate evil? Where are you getting this information from? God himself? And please don't send me more links. I've read enough articles about 2012 and I have a strong feeling that most of them are full of crap and disinfo. IF the shift happens, I'm sure it will happen in a way that nobody here can yet comprehend.

4. Where you taught right from wrong as a child?

What's that got to do with anything?

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Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

Moralman,

Perhaps you'd be better served if you were to read/listen to known "experts"/teachers/individuals who have experienced their own shifts of consciousness - people who have experienced "other worlds" and what perhaps are precursors to this "shift" (which according to some, ex. Stuart Wilde, is occurring as I type). 

I bought about a year ago a CD which you can purchase on StuartWilde.com and is featured on his home page.  Called "Best of StuartWilde.com and Morph World Updates"  There are many tracks which are not found on his website.  Besides, it's fun to hear his very British accent.  It's only $12.95 and well worth it.

IF this is not something that fits your budget at the moment, I'd be happy to mail you my copy with the understanding you'd mail it back smile  Send me an email through NR if you are interested.

Warm regards,
Christine

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Dear Lyra
kind regards
I would like to respond to a post you made earlier this week that I failed for some reason to reply to.
I simply wanted to know your views on God and life in general because you seem to have a habit on appearing on an alternative view forum and literally denouncing nearly every alternative forum subject that I have raised and questioning the integrity of 3,7,127's claim of a spiritual attack.
Whether you answer my question is entirely up to you however it would be greatly appreciated.
Furthermore I find it interesting that a lady such as yourself whom writes threads about Gray extraterrestrials as real entities(which they could be, but the man on the street wouldn't believe you) and yet you denounce my thread about the possibility of professional wrestling surviving the shift.
You have every right to write threads about extraterrestrials and alien abductions without anyone including me pouring cold water on your subject.
The average person on the street would act in the same way to you that you have acted towards me on more than one occassion simply because I exercise my right to ask questions on a forum.
I think you should do the decent thing by answering my question and accepting that my questions are a logical and basic way of gathering knowledge or simply discussing those questions to get a better perspective or answers.
If you could kindly answer my question A.S.A.P I'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
John

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I simply wanted to know your views on God and life in general because you seem to have a habit on appearing on an alternative view forum and literally denouncing nearly every alternative forum subject that I have raised and questioning the integrity of 3,7,127's claim of a spiritual attack.

No, Moralman, I do NOT "denounce nearly every alternative forum subject" that you have raised.........................Anybody can go back through my posts and verify this for themeselves.  I have responded to quite a few of your topics without question.  And I already explained what the situation was with 3.2.217's posts, earlier in this thread.  It wasn't at ALL what you imply here.  NOW you're getting into the realm of lies and exaggeration, and THAT I have NO tolerance for.


Moralman wrote:

Whether you answer my question is entirely up to you however it would be greatly appreciated.

You want to get on here and lie and exaggerate about me?   Then no, I have no interest in answering your questions. 


Moralman wrote:

Furthermore I find it interesting that a lady such as yourself whom writes threads about Gray extraterrestrials as real entities(which they could be, but the man on the street wouldn't believe you) and yet you denounce my thread about the possibility of professional wrestling surviving the shift.

Again, for like the FOURTH time, I'm not denouncing the possibility of wrestling surviving the shift.   I am denouncing the seriousness of such a worry.    What part of that don't you understand?   


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I think you should do the decent thing by answering my question and accepting that my questions are a logical and basic way of gathering knowledge or simply discussing those questions to get a better perspective or answers.

Do the "Decent thing".   Gotta love that manipulative word choice.  wink  Sorry, doesn't work with me.   I don't believe our answers serve any useful purpose to you, if you must know my view on this.  I've closely followed this thread and everybody's perspectives, questions, answers and input and all I see is a circus.  (Insert circus music here.)  A three ring circus fiasco.  And the beauty is.....Montalk had a dream that predicted this.  I HAVE to mention this because I find it fascinating.  (hope you don't mind montalk!)   He had a dream that mimicked that scene in "Matrix Revolutions" where there was a large group of people, and everybody was pulling guns on everybody else, until everybody in the group had a gun drawn and it was it was a lose-lose standoff.   Withina day or 2....this thread started.   In addition, just to note, we're approaching that interesting moon cycle phase in.................MERCURY RETROGADE...........of all things.  Mercury retrograde, the harbringer of all things malfunctioning and miscommunicated and misunderstood, fighting, drama, set backs, break downs, break ins, accidents, mishaps, illness, and objects lost and misplaced.    Go figure.   Any connection ya think??!    ding ding ding.


At this point I have concluded that Moral Man "isn't all there" mentally, or, he's messing with everybody and playing games, yankin' the old chain.  Why we even continue perpetuating this thread at this point is beyond me.  He keeps going around and around and around and AROUND and AROUND about the same old crap, no matter how many times we explain it, re-explain it and re-word it.    So, see ya.

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Dear Lyra
kind regards
Respectfully you have answered many of my questions and I apologise if I gave people the impression that you always condemned all of the questions that I ask.
It remains true that you have condemned at least 4 of my topics which in theory or reality I regard as wholly valid.
The seriousness of wrestling surviving the shift isn't invalid in my view.
If we want a better World then there are aspects of this World that should go and stay.
I simply pointed out that professional wrestling should stay after the shift as I don't consider it evil or negative in fact I think wrestling is at its best family entertainment and positive.
My seriousness is wanting the positive of all things to stay after the shift.
I would like Hollywood to exist also because even though it may act as an Illuminati tool sometimes it is at its best a great creation and can be used for the power of good.
Furthermore you stated that my condemnation of womens fascination of homosexuals was strange.........I don't think that it is strange at all.
Homosexuality is being used for the wrong reasons in the media and for the record I don't think that there is any positivity to homosexuality.
I know a few homosexuals and they all act like women in a mans form.
Furthermore no-one has clearly given the reasons as to why or how people are homosexual.
I am not lying when I say that I believe that homosexuality is an imbalance and I say that unreservedly without an apology.
Hopefully after the shift in 2012 all homosexuals and lesbians will be made straight .
yours thankfully
John

73 Reply by Christine B. (edited by Christine B. 2004-12-08 11:28:41)

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Moralman wrote:

I am not lying when I say that I believe that homosexuality is an imbalance and I say that unreservedly without an apology.  Hopefully after the shift in 2012 all homosexuals and lesbians will be made straight.

The THUD you may have all heard was my head crashing onto my desk smile

Moralman - clearly you are hoping that when/if this shift occurs it will conform to your view of the world. 

And if it doesn't?  How have you prepared yourself?  If you continue to go in what appears to be endless loops of mental masturbation - you may find yourself in a world full of gerbils with you as the lead gerbil on an endless wheel.

My second question to you is what type of work are you doing on yourself?  By yourself? (third question) and for what reason? (fourth question)

Please do not answer this ASAP but AAOR  (after alot of reflection)

WR,
Christine B.
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Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

Well your true bigoted colours are coming out now aren't they Moralman?

Moral indeed.

Moralman wrote:

I don't think that there is any positivity to homosexuality.

So basically you're saying that love isn't a positive thing? If a man loves another man, or woman loves another woman then that's still love surely? Or would you say that it's a different type of love? Or do you not think that love is a positive thing?

I know a few homosexuals and they all act like women in a mans form.

I know some hetrosexual men who act like women in a mans form. What the hell is wrong with that? Are you trying to dictate how people should act?


Furthermore no-one has clearly given the reasons as to why or how people are homosexual.

Have you not considered that genetics might have a lot to do with it? If they are born that way then they are surely a wonderful creation of god should duly be loved for it.

I am not lying when I say that I believe that homosexuality is an imbalance and I say that unreservedly without an apology.

I absolutely believe that you're not lying, and noone's saying you need to appologise. We're all entitled to our viewpoints, no matter how unloving, uncaring and intolerant they may be.

Hopefully after the shift in 2012 all homosexuals and lesbians will be made straight

Hopefully after the shift in 2012 bigoted and intolerant people such as yourself will not be around to annoy the rest of us.

I have to say though. This whole wrestling facination is finally starting to make a lot more sense. The words "repressed homosexual" now jump into my mind. It kinda explains why you so enjoy the sight of half naked men grappling and grunting with each other for hours on end.

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Dear Friends
kind regards
I would like to the respond to the following people.
Christine B...........
Please don't bang your head on a table on my account-the table might be expensive.
My hope is that the Shift is an instruement of God to create a universal Moral World in which righteousness lives forever.
Something has to happen-ultimately God knows what he is going to do so it should be left to him.
What do you mean by work on myself, for myself and for what reason?
Ayahuasca............
I am not bigoted in the slightest and in fact I sometimes think that it is the other way around where homosexuals are concerned.
Homosexuals, their female supporters and lesbians are bigoted against hetrosexuals who won't conform and become gay like they are.
Henry Makow PHD comments on how the Illuminati uses the homosexual agenda to forment their counterfeit Anti-Christ World government that they want to implement in the future.
Here is the link
1. http://www.savethemales.ca
Homosexual sex may be love to the homosexual but to some hetrosexuals it might not be considered so.
Men who act like women obviously have something wrong with them-why can't they act like men?
One Lily Savage on this planet is enough for us all.
A mans man is scorned and loathed in society-Jesus Christ was a mans man.
A mans man isn't a thug or a tough person viewed by the highest view of perception but neither is a man who acts like a woman.
If genetics is the reason why Homosexuals and lesbians exist then I think that it is a fault in creation.
Your fellow Ayahuasca drinker Mr David Icke stated in his book that a "fall of men" happened when our 12 strand DNA became 2 strands, we only started using a fraction of our potential and animals started consuming each other-which he believed wasn't the case at the start of creation.
The Bible also talked about a "fall from grace" when we were different to how we are now.
I think that at the start of creation we were our Higher self form but certain things happened that made us lesser in being and hence the reason why evil exists.
I believe that evil, imbalance and all negativity has a finite form-it will die.
The fault in creation will be removed soon hopefully.
I don't want to sound intolerant and quite frankly I have tried to see homosexuals in an open minded light but I still think that it is not totally normal.
Is there no place for Morality and decency in your perception of Universal oneness?
Wrestlers are for the most part mens men-Homosexuals probably don't like wrestling.
Hulk Hogan is a mans man...........why would homosexuals want to watch him?
I can assure you that I am not a homosexual and would appreciate peaceful discussion rather than the aggressive tone you employed with that last post.
yours thankfully
John