• From: Saint Louis
  • Registered: 2004-08-21

Re: why?

montalk wrote:

On other threads we've discussed the concept of 3D genetic programming making us STS by default, at least as long as we inhabit these bodies. The basic concept was that we can strive for knowledge and balance and become candidates for STO status despite being STS in the meantime.

Yes, I think this might be the best we can do for now and can serve as a 'standard operating procedure' for everyday life.

montalk wrote:

So I'm not sure whether all that we do for noble reasons is really a circuitous way of satisfying the ego that in the long run happens to undermine the greater STS control system, or whether we have within us both STS and STO elements, the ego and the Higher Self whose influences we constantly choose between.

If the latter is the case, then I think we can act in a way that does not satisfy the ego, but rather satisfies the Higher Self. I'm inclined toward this possibility because when confronted with a choice, I feel within me two halves diametrically opposed to each other. It would be pretty damn twisted if one half was the ego playing good cop, and the other half the ego playing bad cop. Can acting out of ego ever have balancing consequences? Or is it like the Ring of Power, trying to do good with it always bites you in the ass?

I have the same dilemma, but am considering that perhaps you must first embrace the total futility of it all before you can truly have the power to do anything about it...and at that point will it even matter anymore? I know this is a total dichotomy but I keep coming back here.

Theory and practice though, that was a good sandwich I had earlier, now I think I'll go out and get drunk.

montalk wrote:

As for dissatisfaction with the planet, consistently replaying the emotional trauma of other people experiencing their lessons can't be healthy. Getting pissed off at what I read at rense.com leaves me stewing with no release for that energy short of indulging in revenge fantasies or moving to Iraq.

As I've said before, the more you worry about things you can't change, the less energy and composure you have for the things you can change. The practical path is dealing with things as they arise, when they are laid before you and it's your turn to act.  If it's time to speak your heart, then do it. If it's time to make a sandwich, make a sandwich. And so on.

Again, I agree as a general approach to living a life, after all it is best that we don't go insane. But what if you actually had the ability to change things and in a way we all do, by assuming it can happen and willing it to do so on whatever scale our imaginations can fathom and back it up with  action. You must be able to think that you can before it is possible.
What if you possesed that free energy machine or piece of information or proof that could instantly change a lot of minds...should you hold onto it until the time is right when everybody is 'ready' for it and so you won't end up in a car accident? In a way, isn't that what the illuminati is already doing? Are we them? Somebody deciding what's best for everybody else, including of course themselves.

Pardon my rant here, I guess I'm just blowing off steam, currently there's no one around to listen to me except myself, but I'm putting up quite an argument with me.

SM

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  • Registered: 2004-03-25

Re: why?

montalk wrote:

Some people think awareness has to come with fear, and that choosing love over fear means giving up awareness and being a new age ostrich. Not so - the emotional factor is separate from the awareness factor...you can be aware and take precautions, all the while having a positive and composed attitude. Easier said than done, but I say it's something to shoot for. Awareness closes doors to danger, emotions open doors to corresponding types of experience.

Well said. The pure energy of fear (not mixed with other emotions) represents the desire to retreat. From my experience it is a good indication that I need to withdraw and contemplate something more thouroughly before acting. Likewise anger is the soul's desire to fight and, if not repressed, it can help a great deal in moving ourselves to new realities.

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  • Registered: 2004-12-06

Re: why?

thx yall. basically there were people who were killed, there were sites shut down, and there is probably a huge chunk of information kept classified. some sites are government controlled and are used to confuse us.

but i have another question which is why is there no real organization?

www.informationliberation.com

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  • From: Saint Louis
  • Registered: 2004-08-21

Re: why?

chinesejycc wrote:

but i have another question which is why is there no real organization?

Sorry, don't quite follow. What type of organization?

SM

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Re: why?

Stephen M wrote:
chinesejycc wrote:

but i have another question which is why is there no real organization?

Sorry, don't quite follow. What type of organization?

SM


I think what chinesejycc might mean is, why is there no organization to the effort to stamp out websites, books, etc. that pose a threat?   

I think I may have a tentative answer, which is that apparantly all the various factions of the guv'ment and all their "black ops" programs are not necessarily in cahoots.  In fact, the guv'ment (the real guv'ment, the behind the scenes shadow guv'ment) is at war with each other.   

Anybody here see the movie "The Cube" from a few years back?   At the end one of the characters has this sort of ranting speech where he talks about how the "powers that be" behind the making of the Cube thing, the actual secret goverment infrastructure responsible for funding, building, planning, operating and manning it full of victims has no organization.   Everybody does their little job / bit and has no clue what the Bigger Picture is.   But there is no "BIG PLAN" as I think he referred to it in a mocking way.   What he describes is Black-Ops gone awry, with various groups doing their various nefarious experimentation and projects, and no actual long term meticulous plan.   

I was told the same thing by a "MILAB" abductee, that "The government is at war with each other...."   So, I think that sort of sums it up, right there.

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  • Registered: 2004-12-06

Re: why?

my fault for not clarifying but what i actually meant was WHY IS THERE NO ORGANIZATION WITHIN US as in why are we not organized getting this information out there.

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  • From: Zion
  • Registered: 2004-09-28

Re: why?

This information IS out there. I'm not sure what you mean by having organizational structure? How would that change anything? Are you implying that this information should be forced on people whether they are ready for it or not? Those who have ears to hear are already listening.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe
  • Registered: 2004-09-09

Re: why?

chinesejycc wrote:

"my fault for not clarifying but what i actually meant was WHY IS THERE NO ORGANIZATION WITHIN US as in why are we not organized getting this information out there."

Could I say that many people throughout the globe have been getting this information out there for eons, in my time frame I know of 40 years.  It has been only the last 15 or so years that the momentum has picked up pace, one of these reasons is the assistance of the internet (but must be discerning), another reason, I believe through my own research is the photon belt, etc and last but not least, we are all here at this time to make a difference, and by just being here in this forum we are getting the message out as do many other forums and web sites, just have a look at the rapid increase in members here in such a short time…and lots more will come!  Remember, people are still waking up and we are all here together increasing and exchanging our knowledge which gives us clarity to help others with information.
Kindest wishes,
Robyn

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  • From: Saint Louis
  • Registered: 2004-08-21

Re: why?

chinesejycc wrote:

my fault for not clarifying but what i actually meant was WHY IS THERE NO ORGANIZATION WITHIN US as in why are we not organized getting this information out there.

You are doing it right now! That may be the best tactic possible.

SM

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  • Registered: 2004-09-21

Re: why?

chinesejycc wrote:

my fault for not clarifying but what i actually meant was WHY IS THERE NO ORGANIZATION WITHIN US as in why are we not organized getting this information out there.

I've been thinking about this one a bit.  I don't think STO works in the same way as STS when it comes to organization.  STS is heirarchical and rigid and operates solely on plans.  They have leaders and followers.  STO doesn't need leaders, at least not leaders as controllers.  There may be people who yell :"Charge!", and people who help develop strategies on the ground.  Beyond that, it is much more fluid and open.  Besides any real organization at this point would get shot down. 
Sooooo, CHARGE! 

Kathy

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  • From: Saint Louis
  • Registered: 2004-08-21

Re: why?

Here is an article I found around the time of the Iraq invasion, I was feeling very frustated and it helped open a new perspective for me.

http://www.stephen-devoy.com/politics/v … stance.htm

Sometimes I think the most effective thing one can do is to be an agent for change within their own sphere of influence, whether that be friends, family, aquaintances or chance encounters. Timing is very important as one can only truly understand something when they are ready to do so. If you do get a chance to actually impact a lot of people at once, maybe it's worth it to go for it if you can recognize the opportunity. Cultivating change within relationships can be safer and perhaps more effective in the long run as each person can spread that within their own spheres. The closer you are to someone the more you'll know when and what they are capable of understanding. Yelling on a streetcorner might make you feel better temporarily by allowing you to say 'well at least I did something about it', and could possibly get a few others riled up as well but you are also pointing yourselves out as a potential target for attack or to get co-opted once you gain a lot of attention.

Stephen

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Re: why?

Thanks for that article link, it very clearly summarizes the advantages of disorganized resistance - networking with others who share the same cause in an organic rather than hierarchical and beureaucratic fashion. Sometimes people ask me what good it does to just become aware and spread knowledge if no actions or organized plans are implemented. To that, I can only think of an analogy to pressure and current -- some people want action, they want current...they want to point a waterhose at a wall and blast it down. But that rarely works. If instead you increase pressure, say the pressure of water behind a dam, despite there being no current for the longest time there inevitably comes a point when the pressure is too much and the dam cracks. Pressure is such that wherever there is an outlet, it will release through that outlet. Rather than planning where to hit the wall, the wall's own weaknesses beckon the release of pressure.  So gaining and spreading knowledge is increasing the pressure - we don't see any action at the moment, but when action happens it's huge and powerful and unpredictable - the 100th monkey effect, the domino effect, divine intervention, butterfly effect, serendipity, pulling the lynchpin, defeating the witch, etc...

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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  • From: Saint Louis
  • Registered: 2004-08-21

Re: why?

Ha, that's a cool way of thinking about it. If it keeps on rainin' levee's gonna break...

SM

  • Registered: 2004-12-08

Re: why?

Hi Montalk+Stephen,
                             Bang on Stephen re being an agent of change in your own sphere of influence,it's the essence of the struggle-clean up your own backyard first,then look around to see who has FOLLOWED BY EXAMPLE.As Montalk rightly points out the 100th Monkey syndrome is a key.Information is viral,and spreading faster than we could ever conceive. Btw-ever stood back and looked at the word INFORMATION? What about... Information is IN - FORMATION,hell the entire so-called Matrix is at it's core just Information observing information-we are information in a sense.The cells receive instructions to conjugate and harmonise IN-FORMATION to an applied outcome spawning further reactions resulting in... you get the idea.
              All conspiratorial data is helpful to awakening in so much as it teaches one to think in a "new" way- systems theory.The one thing none of the past 5 or so generations were ever really taught in school-how one action/factor interrelates with another within the formation of a greater whole.
             The overriding thought that recurs to me regarding the what to do about it aspect is that an organised policy of againstness/resistance against these guys will never help,or work.Why? Just reflect on what you achieve in 1 day either at work or in your personal pursuits,an average 8 hr day.Then metaphorm that output quota into the auspices of a single member of a think tank/org-what have you,whose general intent on a day-2-day basis is to contribute to a greater agenda of control etc, with the added knowledge that he/she/it is merely a cog in an ever-urgent wheel steamrollering forward with that ill-conceived intent-with the added bonus of vast wealth and influence at their disposal- no survival mentality required, and you begin to understand, post head-spin, that perhaps the only way out of this fundamentally faulty,fraudulent paradigm by design is NOT to challenge the existing model, merely build a BETTER model, and 100th monkey-like, begin instilling it in parallel to the existing model, and ultimately render the old model OBSELETE.By the time the PTB wake up to the scam, the ball is alredy rolling... Simplistic at base level, but not naive.Kind of co-creaing a newer- far far more benevolent conspiracy in tandem- forced feedback. Information feedback. Systems dynamics uber alles... can't hurt to tune the apparatus now...after all... do you/we have somewhere else to be RIGHT NOW? Checked out any real estate on another planet recently? There ARE solutions my friends! Diversity is the key... Sorry for raving so much, but I'm beginning to SERIOUSLY re-enrgise towards saying "WTF!" lets have some fun! Blueprints for benevolent co-conspiracy anyone?

                                              Warmest regards to all.   AJ

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