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lol .. well, it would fit the theory smile    Seriously though, he seems to have good ideas, but it just seems to me the real truth is more expansive than what he is theorizing.

17 (edited by lyra 2004-12-02 07:04:20)

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morningsun76 wrote:

I don't buy this.   I've got video of John Hutchison, the Canadian scientist, messing with gravity fields in his personal shack up in Canada, levitating bowling balls and resonating solid metal objects so they melt together.   If one man can do that on his own, that doesn't leave much room to doubt that governments are able to create craft which use artificial gravity fields not only to speed away at insanely high speeds and make right-angle turns, but also to do these things without the occupants of those craft being affected in the slightest.

You don't have to buy anything.    As already stated, I'm presenting alternate theories.  And as already stated, do with them what you will. 

And personally, for me, I actually do believe there's validity to Stuart's ideas that these UFO's aren't entirely phsyical and are not utilizing the physical plane in MANY OF their movements.  You may have missed / skipped over the part where he mentions that they do seem to become physical at slower speeds, (and when they're operating in the physical, I'm sure they're using gravity field manipulation, nobody's arguing that....) and non-physical at higher speeds.  Yes, manipulating gravity fields is one theory, and yes, humans have already achieved this supposedly.  But I'm saying don't throw out the possibility that these things could also be operating in the etheric, and are a form of BOTH physical and non-physical.  All the evidence is pointing to the fact that they are not fully physical.   Not when they can seem to "disappear" into thin air and appear out of nowhere. 

Again, do with Stuart's words what you will.....



morningsun76 wrote:

Courtesy Matt Hurley and ufoartwork.com, here is a picture of a painting from 1486 CE , the late fifteenth century, that suggests Stuart might be off a bit on this one:

If you read his book, versus the few excerpts I've chosen to reprint here, Stuart never claims that UFO's definitively started in the 1940's, and that there was never ANY Ufo's at ANY time in previous history, EVER at ANY point.  He doesn't say that, nor imply that.   So, sorry.   I mean, we all know the UFO's have been around throughout history.   Read "The Gods of Eden", by William Bramley for one really excellent source that tracks the UFO / alien phenomemon throughout mankind's history and outlines their impact on wars, strife, and the formation of modern religions.   So, nobody's saying that they didn't arrive til the 1940's, so it seems you misunderstood.   

There's another chapter in Stuart's book called "As Above, So Below", which I haven't posted yet, and it even further gets into the historical aspect of the transdimensionals and UFO's, about why there are *more* of them now than in the past, and why they seemed to increase in numbers around WWII.   

I think I will post that later so that we don't have misunderstandings.

I will say this though -  Stuart, for me, is one of the few sources out there right now who's got a message that resonates with me.   Until recently, I was prone to saying that I didn't agree with a lot of what he talks about, because it's stuff I haven't seen or experienced for myself, but however for some reason, he still resonates with me. 

Now, things have changed, and very quickly.  Over the past month or so there has been a bunch of stuff he's talked about in his recent articles pertaining to the "mirror world" and the "morph", Judgement in the mirror world, the "etheric  protector dogs", the mysterious round bruisings that many females are reporting on their lower legs, and the arrival of the "Tall Girls" and "Tall Boys" which all sounds absolutely insane I'm sure to those not experiencing it, but which happens to match up IDENTICALLY to things I've been experiencing over the past year or two....but had no explanation for.   Suddenly I've got someone matching up exactly to what I've been talking about, describing or photographing.   It's blowing me away, and has caused me to sit up and take another closer look at this guy and his work and what he's saying or reporting. 

I don't know.................I'm just really diggin' Stuart lately.   smile   He's a cool dude.  So, take his material as you will.  I just want to present another view here.

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18 (edited by zonabi 2004-12-02 08:39:37)

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on the note of Crafts' manuvers being unstandable by humans, i propose this;
UFOs mess with gravity around them, that much is obvious-
but, what i postulate is that it creates an artificial gravity/electromagnetic field around it(craft) and inside of the craft time&space are seperate from time&space outside of the craft. what im saying is, i bet the aliens/humans in these craft dont even sway the least bit when they make those right-hand turns at lightspeed.

Also, i would like to throw out another theory i read regarding these spaceships and lightspeed+

its said that these ships jump into hyperspace when they travel vast distances (not talking about the occasional UFO show they put on to amaze us here) - the theory said that at the moment when the ship hyperspace jumps, it shifts into a dimension where they are able to travel lightyears in seconds, bla bla bla... but the interesting point here is that they said the travellers in the ship must have a well developed astral body (they must know/control their higher selves) in order to remain conscious during this hyperspace jump. or else, anyone not developed enough in their higher selves (astral self,etc) would fall unconscious during this shift.


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19 (edited by lyra 2004-12-02 09:23:02)

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zonabi wrote:

  on the note of Crafts' manuvers being unstandable by humans, i propose this;
UFOs mess with gravity around them, that much is obvious-
but, what i postulate is that it creates an artificial gravity/electromagnetic field around it(craft) and inside of the craft time&space are seperate from time&space outside of the craft. what im saying is, i bet the aliens/humans in these craft dont even sway the least bit when they make those right-hand turns at lightspeed.

Well I wouldn't want to be in one to find out!  wink   Seriously, I don't doubt they're manipulating gravity to maneuver when they're in physical form.    Stuart did make an interesting point, which I'd like to mention again here, but, it's that people never really report these crafts as landing, and being docked on the ground so to speak.   If this is the case, then that really calls into question the validity of them as a mostly solid flying craft.  I definitely believe that the Spielberg version of the UFO, as the musical brightly colored sphere that is the same size on the inside as it is on the outside, and which is a literal flying craft from another world that transports the physical bodied Grays is a load of bunk.   All the evidence points to being both physical and non-physical, traversing realms / densities / hyperspace, whatever you want to call it;  add in the fact that the Grays themselves aren't fully physical, then you have to question the nature of their "UFO's".   

Haven asked about flying rods.....wanted to mention that Stuart talks about them as well, not sure if it was in the above excerpts I posted.  If not, it's probably in the next chapter which I haven't yet scanned.  Can do that tonight and post it later.    But Stuart says they are also etheric critters, if you want to call them that.  A transdimensional entity of sorts that we haven't been able to see until the advent of the modern camera / digital camera which allows you to slow footage down enough to view these lightening quick rods. 


zonabi wrote:

but the interesting point here is that they said the travellers in the ship must have a well developed astral body (they must know/control their higher selves) in order to remain conscious during this hyperspace jump. or else, anyone not developed enough in their higher selves (astral self,etc) would fall unconscious during this shift.

Ah, well, then the Grays would have to have a "Higher Self" in the first place. wink  And I suspect otherwise about them.   Whatever the hell they are - organic robotoids, etheric critters, solid physical alien beings from another planet....or all of the above....- they are the epitome of anti-spiritual.  Hive mind group soul, no emotions, no feelings, no empathy, no personality, no spirituality at all to speak of, except for the lies they feed their abductee victims so they'll go along with the probing and the raping and the terrorizing and the mind programming.  How can something like that even have a "higher self" ??   This "piffle" about them being able to control / know their higher self to pull this amazing feat off is more disinformation drivel to convince us that they are these super high advanced amazing spiritual beings.   And that's bunk.  We're above them, and always have been.  We just don't know it / believe it yet.  We have such amazing enormous potential that's been squelched.   It's time to realize and remember who we are and stop falling for these bunk lies that they feed us to get us to relinquish our power and potential.  Everytime we propagate their disinformation lies we give them power over us and ascribe amazing superbeing abilities onto them which they don't have.  Smoke and mirrors folks.  Smoke and mirrors.

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I would like to expand on Zonabi's theory here and go a step further.  There was an article on either this forum or another I visit that stated scientists were seeking to study and manufacture Borons, the building block of energy.  From this study, they are hoping to be able to replicate space-time fabric.  Perhaps these extraterrestrials have found a way to manipulate space-time fabric so that what we see as happening almost instantaneously as well as impossible according to our laws of physics, actually happens over a longer period of time giving plausibility to their movements. 

Let's have a look at a possible (although highly unlikely) scenario:

John is sitting in a chair.  He is watching his hand move rapidly back and forth while noting the apparent image stretching the movement affords.  (Look down at your hand moving quickly side-to-side, and you will realize what I am talking about.  Despite the fact that your hand is in a certain place at a given time, space-time fabric allows for tracers to be observed.  As your hand moves over the fabric, tiny imprints are left on the preceding ones, and this is how the tracer images are manifested.)

Timmy is from the fourth-dimension.  Timmy's notions of space-time fabric, coupled with his ability to allow seemless transitions in space-time fabric, give him the opportunity to observe John's rapidly moving side-to-side hand in a new light.  Instead of seeing tracers as the hand oscillates side-to-side, Timmy allows for a seemless transition from the left to the right.  Space-time fabric has been manipulated to make it appear as though John's hand has morphed instantaneously from the left to the right.  John would, however, view this has impossible due to his preconceived notions of space-time which ultimately cause him to have no control over space-time fabric. 

It is very difficult to try and open the mind to different concepts regarding the space-time relationship.  It is equally difficult to try and explain the varying dimensions that space-time relationships offer.  If you have any questions feel free to ask, I will do my best to explain.

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well, any alien or being that is 4d, 5d and up is actually already ready for spacetravel, in my opinion-- since they are less physical.

its a 3d human who would have to be astral-ly developed to travel consciously in hyperspace.

its all theoritical, i should make that clear

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22 (edited by lyra 2004-12-06 19:33:18)

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Okay, I decided I just have to share this dream snippet that I had like 2 nights ago....

In it I had a gun which shot these "laser" type light bullets or something.  The bullets  shot out in slow mo and had a curved trajectory.   I was hanging out with people who were supposed to be aquaintances, and I was having fun shooting off the gun at like the wall, or other inanimate objects, practicing my aim to compensate for the curved trajectory.   Scene switch, to where I still had that gun and I was walking around in some big windowless building thing, I don't know what it is, (underground base?  hehe.....)  and suddenly I found myself face to face with a Gray, standing right in front of me.  Little 4 foot tall, bulbous headed black eyed bugger.  (he was faced towards the right though, kind of looking sideways at me.)     I immediately sighed and resigned myself to the fact that it was going to exert its mind control on me and keep me paralyzed.  I just expected this, as if it were "protocol."    The way it "always" is. 

But it didn't.

I don't know if it couldn't, or just chose not to.  But the little bugger just stood there, looking sideways at me, blank.

Once I realized it couldn't / wouldn't paralyze me, my face lit up and I was like, Yeah!!!  It's ON!!!!  Let's GO!!!!!!!  Then just went after the f***** and started kicking his ass.  I know, this is horribly unevolved.   But MAN did I have this RAGE towards him!!!   Just went ballistic.  I punched him a few times.......but it just bounced right off him.  He was somehow rooted firmly in place.   Very solid.   He just stood there, motionless, unaffected, just staring at me blankly like a robot.   I went even crazier and began actually using my gun to pummel him (pistol whippin' the gray buggers!  hehe)   and just kept going and going with all this ballistic, inexplicable rage.   

Finally he ran off, and the thought that I kind of picked up on from him was still emotionless, but like a robot realizing "It would not be safe for me to stand here much longer...."  then leaving because it's not safe, since I would eventually physically beat him to a pulp.  But not because of any emotional reaction or anything, or fear, or shock. 

VERY interesting.....  Who knows.   Repressed issues, perhaps?  big_smile  hehe   oh my my, I know.    Just thought I'd share the views of one person who doesn't hold the Grays up to be our spiritual savior breathren.   And actually, I don't normally have those feelings of rage or violence towards the idea of "Grays."   I scoff at the disinformation that elevates them as being something they're not, but, I don't have rage or anything.  The dream did have a feeling of being manipulated.  Also, importantly, what I was left realizing from that dream was exactly how robotic they are.  Anything but spiritual.    They're just puppets.   Worker drone robotoids.  They don't feel anything.   They just do their work.

(and to think lordza called me intelligent over on the other thread....probably not thinking I'm very intelligent after reading this, hanh?  big_smile  haha  oh well, I'll put myself out there and mention this because you know, why not.  It was just a dream after all.  We all have crazy dreams....)

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Interesting dream, guess I'll share one I had this morning since it's along the same lines. In the dream, I was inside the outlook room of a docked ship, standing by a group of schoolkids. Looking outside I saw everything suddenly acquire a yellow tint, just as two shirtless hooligans stomped up the metal stairs toward us.These guys were skinhead punks barking and yelling to intimidate. I realized the yellow tint meant a 4th density overlay, indicating these hooligans were lizzards in disguise. They came in and were verbally violent and thrashed their fists about. A compulsion overcame me and I went ballistic on them, realizing their attitude was pure posturing. As I yelled in their face they started to shrink away, and I then began voicing a high pitched ringing sound that made them disappear altogether. Looking around me I saw the schoolkids and our cat frozen in time, and it took several seconds for the time-lock bubble to disintegrate.

Anyway, dreams prove nothing but it did suggest the possibility that lizzard harassment is purely posturing, harrassment that carries no weight beyond what you give it.

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Those are some interesting dreams.
Um, ive only had one dream regarding aliens/greys that i can remember, and i had this dream like 2+ years ago:
now, sorry but i can't really remember my dreams very good, so heres all i remember:

i was lying down on a couch in my living room at my folks' house, i guess i was sleeping or something in the dream, and i just woke and looked into the TV room - and right there was a small little creature that i guess was some kind of Grey Alien. it looked really really small (like 3 feet or less) and it looked really ... "old" or something- it was very wrinkled-looking with its eyes popping out like a chihuaha dog. big head of course, and super slim body, long arms...
BUT, the weird thing about this dream was that behind this little Grey (who was standing in front of TV room couch) was this Huge Monster. it was a big monster/alien looking thing, and it was pretty fat, although not terriblyt obese like Jabba the Hut or anything. He looked strong, muscular fat, and he was sitting right behind the Grey alien. I cannot remember how this bigger monster looked but i can still picture the Grey in front of him clearly.

I hadnt thought about this dream for a long time, and now it is begginging to make a bit more sense. While writing this out, i began seeing that this dream seems to make the point that "Greys are controlled by other Aliens (Draco)" and the monster behind the Grey could have been reptilian, it seems to fit. to me, at that time, it just looked like some kind of monster.

crazy!
z

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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That's odd, zonabi - I've talked with two other people who, in recalling their dreams/abductions mentioned seeing grays that looked really wrinkly, one saying they looked "wise" because of it. My mom once told me of a memory of her waking up at night to flashing lights outside, like police strobes in the parking lot, then seeing hooded and fat rounded creatures on both sides of the bed. And Karla Turner, deceased abduction researcher, was herself regressed to a screen memory of something pleasant, but as the screen was peeled away layer by layer it became increasingly disturbing, ending in a horrifying image of her having lifeforce sucked out by a jabba-the-hut type creature (used that phrase).

So in reading your post I was reminded of several similar phrases and descriptions I've heard previously. From my own memory of a childhood dream or perhaps abduction experience, the grays didn't look like your typical black-almond shaped eyes, and they seemed more stocky and clumsy than commonly portrayed nowadays.

If you had the chance to be hypnotically regressed, would you do it? I definitely would, but I think they hypnotically sealed me from being able to enter trance easily again (and as I'm writing this my heart went into an irregular rhythm for several seconds, which I find suspicious). Yeah, I think personal experience is the only way to prove to yourself what the disinformation campaign in mainstream abduction literature tries to deflect.

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montalk wrote:

So in reading your post I was reminded of several similar phrases and descriptions I've heard previously. From my own memory of a childhood dream or perhaps abduction experience, the grays didn't look like your typical black-almond shaped eyes, and they seemed more stocky and clumsy than commonly portrayed nowadays.

They looked this way to me as well... and I did see them this way in a hypnotic regression.

montalk wrote:

I've talked with two other people who, in recalling their dreams/abductions mentioned seeing grays that looked really wrinkly, one saying they looked "wise" because of it.

The ones I saw were lifeless.... literally without life, no animation of action/spirit, like blobs propped up against a wall they were. Not wise at all.

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Did anyone catch "Fire in the Sky"?  The man that was abducted saw these smooth-skinned suits that the aliens used which gave the appearance of a typical gray.  The aliens themselves were little eyed, flesh-toned beings.  The ship, also, was organic looking.  I suggest anyone who hasn't seen this to do so.  On a deeper level, you could consider him seeing these things as a metaphor for peeling back realities and seeing something underneath the facade.

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28 (edited by lyra 2004-12-08 06:17:03)

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Alright, well I'll mention this since it matches up to the last few posts, but in early 2003 I awoke suddenly one morning in Florida at 7:00 a.m. exactly with an image of pudgy, wrinkly  "Gray" prominantly in my mind.   Its eyes were black and round, not almond, so it looked sort of like one of those Troll dolls.  At the time I described it as a cross between a wrinkly old pudgy man and a Gray.   I thought for sure it was a screen memory, because that's not how Grays are "supposed" to look.   Also, as a sidenote regarding the time I awoke - I've noticed that often times when "coming back" from abductions I'd wake suddenly with a start in my bed at the top of the hour, usually 6:59 a.m. or, more rarely, 6:00 a.m.   Most often 6:59 / 7:00 a.m. though, like  with the "Pudgy Gray" incident.    I'll awaken suddenly though, sometimes gasping, eyes flying open. Sometimes I'm disoriented and it takes me a second to get readjusted in. Don't know if anybody else has experienced this or not.  (Several months ago I awoke from one with my body still cold, as if I'd been in an air conditioned building for several hours.   It was the middle of an extremely hot and humid Florida summer, with no A/C on in my apartment, so there was no reason for me to be cold like that.)   

Anyway, I wouldn't have remembered the "Pudgy Wrinkly Gray" thing if not for this thread.   What's weird is I have a log book, both on disk and harcopy, and I know I logged this incident, but now it's gone.  sad    What else happened during this Pudgy Gray incident.....let's see, well, when I woke, this image was in my mind's eye, and lasted for maybe 10 seconds, while simultaneously, my cat jumped up in the livingroom window, making funny noises and acting on "alert", as if she saw something outside the window.   Now, sidenote:    She'd done that quite a few times during "funny moments"....that window was apparantly a MAJOR "doorway", so to speak.   What's interesting is Stuart Wilde and many others mention the "Grays" moving through windows....but not walls.  Interesting.  Because it certainly matches up to what was going on in that apartment.   Too many paranormal instances to mention here that involved that particular big window.   Busy busy window.   wink

So anyway,  I was seeing a pudgy Gray, my cat was acting up in the window reacting to something outside, and when I jumped up to get her out of the window, I realized.......I didn't "recognize" her.    I did, but I didn't.  I can't explain it.   I was still so disoriented and not fully back in my body that even though I knew enough to get my cat out of the window, I didn't recognize her vibe when I picked her up.   But yet I knew enough that I "should" recognize her.   I stopped, confused and bewildered, and when I put her on the floor I remember patting her a couple of times bewilderedly, because I felt bad that I didn't "recognize" her fully or fully connect to her essence.  It's so hard to explain.   I patted her and turned and went back to bed to regroup myself.  By the time I got up later on for work I was fully back in my body and back to normal.   

So that was my "Pudgy Wrinkly Gray" incident.   Weirdness and all.  smile

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29 (edited by zonabi 2004-12-08 08:56:10)

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hypnotic regression sessions would be awesome i think. i bet they would yield some incredible things, as well as bring some scary things to the surface. but hey, nothing like facing your fears, right ?

i have a drawing the Grey i saw in the dream... i sketched him as i woke up.
ill try to get it and show you all.

edit- i dont think this is the exact sketch i was talking about, but its close:

http://img65.exs.cx/img65/4357/mrgrey014nf.th.jpg
(click to enlarge)

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I had an experience many years ago with the creatures Montalk described.  Hooded, stocky, and short (called them the raisin people). They were surrounding my bed, total of six and felt as if the bonds of sleep paralysis were very strong.  Havn't had this ever since thank goodness...

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