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Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

Dear Ayahuasca
kind regards
Montalk believes that we are all apart of God-sparks from the divine.
David Icke and the Hare Krishna's say something relatively similar.
However I like Christianitys interpretation.
God made us all to be divine and Satan tempts us to do evil.
We are all Sons of God but some people are children of Satan-even Jesus called the Pharisee's children of the Devil...........The messiah admitted that he and the Pharisee's have a different source which kind of puts a damper on the concept of total universal oneness.
I believe that people can seperate from God-people disregard the creator and other beings around them.
To state that everything is universal oneness and therefore equal is to put Jesus Christ and Margaret Thatcher on equal footing.
Jesus called certain people "sons of the Devil"...........I have to take him at his word.
Your analogy of God being a wrestling arena is ingenius.
I certainly believe that God knows what was going to happen from beginning to end but that doesn't mean that he endorses everything that has happened.
Evil and Satan was a fault in creation as far as I am concerned.
Furthermore if you gave an analogy on God being a wrestling arena and put them in the same sentence that means that Wrestling will survive into the new millenium.
If God endorses a soap opera and everything that has ever happened is a soap opera(every evil you can imagine) and he gave his seal of approval to it then I can assume that he'd allow professional wrestling to survive as it is like Gods script but without anyone getting hurt.
You have enlightened me...........professional wrestling will live forever.
Furthermore if everything was universal oneness why do we need a new millenium and a new reality?
I and others envision a World without evil and the Illuminati-but if evil and the Illuminati are apart of universal oneness that means that we should tolerate them?
How about taking the mark of the beast?
The beast is apart of universal oneness and is a fragment of God-lets take the mark shall we?
I am tempted to start a topic about the definition of universal oneness to get everyones opinions and get to the bottom of this.
I certainly believe in a universal oneness(my definition is the body of Christ as depicted in Christianity) but it is a different interpretation to the one that you believe in.
I am not trying to start an arguement because I want to get on with people on this forum but I think that we need to discuss the definition of universal oneness a bit more to get a better grasp of it.
yours thankfully
John

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Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

Moralman wrote:

  1. You state that there are "more pressing concerns" than whether or not professional wrestling will be around after 2012-could you please tell me what they are?

If you can't think of something more pressing than wrestling, than I don't think there's anything I can say to help you.  wink


Moralman wrote:

Here is another question.
2. Seeing as we are on an alternative viewpoint forum could you please define normality on a forum such as this and inform me on normality from your own personal perspective.

I never used the word "normal".  And for a good reason.  Because there's no such thing.  I did however state repeatedly that your concern about whether wrestling will still be around after 2012 seemed silly and absurd....because there are more pressing issues in this world.   This is something Neomatrix and Ayahuasca also said.   See above comment for further elaboration.


Moralman wrote:

You seem like a nice lady but at the same time I have seen you nonsense a few people on this forum which brings up another question.

You've seen me "nonsense" a few people?   What does that mean?  Nonsense isn't a verb the last time I checked.  It's a noun.


Moralman wrote:

3. What are your beliefs about God and life.

On a wrestling thread?   I don't think so.  I'm at work right now and I don't have the time, nor the desire, to get into what my personal views are on God and life.  Besides, it has nothing to do with wrestling.   

 

Moralman wrote:

People on this forum talk about aliens, drinking Ayahuasca, conspiracy theories, universal oneness etc............quite frankly very few people here on this forum including yours truly would be taken seriously if they talked about these subjects continually in the outside World and well you know it.

You're missing my point.  Again, I said that the idea of wrestling after 2012 is such a **pressing concern** of yours seems absurd to me because there are so many other more important things to be concerned about in this world.   I never said it was ridiculous in the sense that "Ooohh, you're crazy, what an "OUT THERE" topic that is!    You're so "weird"!!   Are you one of those conspiracy freaks or what, dude???"  It's silly, to me, because to me it's so trivial, not because it's "weird" and "unusual".     


Moralman wrote:

I am really stunned that even on an alternative viewpoint forum professional wrestling is given a hard time.

This stuns you?    Now I'M stunned!    wink

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This is the funniest thread ever and have had a huge laugh out of it thanks to neomatrix but this thread has a very important message for well i think all of us but especially you moralman and that message is for u not to worry so much about what is going to happen in the future and what its going to be like cause frankly no one, not one person except the purely enlightened knows what is going to happen or what we think might happen.
From my own personal view when we move into our next consoiusness shift, we will realise that we can do anything we want,(we can now if we want) and if u wish to have wrestling still involved in your reality then so shall it be.
I feel for some reason the Martial arts for some people will be a huge part of the next reality which will involve a lot of energy movement (energy chanelling) through the self and which is something I feel i will do in my next incarnation/shift. (hence why I love DragonballZ)
When the "shift happens" people will have their own paths in which they take, not everyone will move on the same paths and those choices will be up to the individual, but I believe we will have the same level change of consiousness but what we do is entirely up to the self.

The future is ready to be what you want it to be, live in the present to know what you want in the future, not what u think it might be like. smile

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Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

Dear Friends
kind regards
I would like to respond to the following people.
Lyra.........
My question to you was about what you yourself considered more important than wrestling as an individual.
With much respect to you I quite understand your comment that there are more important things in the World than professional wrestling however I still think that professional wrestling surviving into the new millenium would be a good thing.
I certainly want World peace, World prosperity, World enlightenment, World goodness and World Wrestling Federation in the new millenium.
I want everything good in the new millenium with wrestling added as an extra inclusion.
You seem to question people too much sometimes instead of dealing with the issue at hand.
For example you questioned the seriousness of 3,7,127 when he claimed that he was the victim of a spiritual attack and called my post about Wrestling absurd.
I am an idealist too.........I value goodness, peace and prosperity universally as well as Wrestling.
I never stated that I valued wrestling over the other good things that will come into the new millenium only that wrestling should be included.
You and others should have read between the lines instead of simply denouncing the subject.
Hopefully you will take the time to please enlighten me on your beliefs about God and life.
Why can't you answer this question in this subject thread?
Wrestling isn't a bad thing.........its sports entertainment.
Maydovus.........
I am glad that you appreciated the thread and I am pleased you got some laughs out of it.........Neomatrix's posts on this thread were quite amusing and even I found them funny.
Apparently in 2012 some people state that we are going to have a Light body/merkabah and that we will be connected to our Higher self.
The bible calls this "the rapture" and New agers call it "the ascension" but perhaps not everyone will receive these things.
It would seem at that time that indeed anything would indeed be possible.
Martial arts is a noble sport so I think that should be highly popular in the future along with other sports like Boxing which is at the highest level of its creation can be considered a noble sport.
I have a question for you though.........
1. You stated that you feel that you will do martial arts in your next incarnation/shift.........is that new incarnation/shift when you believe that you will ascend in 2012?
Your last comment was spot on-we need to live for the future now and make it happen when the time comes.
Zonabi and Ermolai.........
Its a shame that such smart people such as yourselves could only use two words on my subject thread.........perhaps you'd both like to give your full opinions and kindly answer my questions.
Yours thankfully
John

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Moralman wrote:

Lyra.........

I certainly want World peace, World prosperity, World enlightenment, World goodness and World Wrestling Federation in the new millenium.

big_smile  Now THAT was a funny sentence!   big_smile


Moralman wrote:

  You seem to question people too much sometimes instead of dealing with the issue at hand.

I do?   What, because I question you? 


Moralman wrote:

For example you questioned the seriousness of 3,7,127 when he claimed that he was the victim of a spiritual attack

Ah, so I questioned you and 3.7.127.   So that means I question people "too much."   Okay, got it.

And just for the record, for those here who didn't see the post in question, I asked 3.7.127 if he was joking or not, because I couldn't get a feel for it when I read his post.  He said he wasn't.   So I said Okay, and believed him.  And then I contributed to his thread with several posts.   And that was that.  Nothing wrong with making sure the proverbial chain wasn't getting yanked before responding.   Cause sometimes you can't tell on messageboards.   wink   Hmm, kind of like in this thread......



Moralman wrote:

I am an idealist too.........I value goodness, peace and prosperity universally as well as Wrestling.

big_smile   I think that tops the previous sentence!!   big_smile   



Moralman wrote:

You and others should have read between the lines instead of simply denouncing the subject.

I don't see what "lines" you are talking about.  You were concerned about whether wrestling would make the 2012 cut.    It's pretty straight forward I think.  No lines to be reading between.....


Moralman wrote:

Hopefully you will take the time to please enlighten me on your beliefs about God and life.

Naa.   This is a thread about wrestling.   I think it would be pointless.  For me, anyway.   


Moralman wrote:

Why can't you answer this question in this subject thread?

And...what would be the point of me doing that?  What would happen then?   What would you get out of it?    For me, I espouse my views on serious topics if I feel it's relevent, or the person(s) I'm talking to or reading it might actually get something out of it.  Curiously, your posts and responses lack a "vibe" to them.   I don't get the feeling that me expending my energy in composing a lengthy post about God and life would amount to anything.  I don't feel a "connection".   So I refrain.   I do find it interesting that you're getting a little....antsy for me to answer the question.   Might I ask why?

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By this thread, I can say that moralman has come off a lot better in these posts than a bunch of you others.  I find this thread really enlightening.  It seems that no matter the "talk" about higher things, it still means nothing as far as how enlightened one currently is. Enlightened as in real knowledge, of how to be at peace, to find peace in things, and how to promote that peace.

Moralman, in my opinion, has taken a large dose of unnecessary criticism and has risen above it all.  I'm impressed, and find him appearing more advanced, despite the opinion that his love of wrestling makes him somewhat less of a person (a "reptilian" idea of worth, if I were cornered to say so).

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
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Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

Haven wrote:

By this thread, I can say that moralman has come off a lot better in these posts than a bunch of you others.  I find this thread really enlightening.  It seems that no matter the "talk" about higher things, it still means nothing as far as how enlightened one currently is. Enlightened as in real knowledge, of how to be at peace, to find peace in things, and how to promote that peace.

Oh boy, are you one of those dull Love/Light types I keep hearing about? "There will be no differences of opinion on this planet! Peace is the only way to go!" Limiting, conformist nonsense. I respect Moralman's views and opinions, but I also respect my own ability to feel differently about things and express such.

Haven wrote:

Moralman, in my opinion, has taken a large dose of unnecessary criticism and has risen above it all.  I'm impressed, and find him appearing more advanced, despite the opinion that his love of wrestling makes him somewhat less of a person (a "reptilian" idea of worth, if I were cornered to say so).

No one here has said that Moralman is any "less" of a person than anyone else, and I don't think anyone would because it would be utter bullshit. I really couldn't give a monkey's butt what sports he watches. You like wrestling? Great, good for you, enjoy it. What I find odd is the way he seems to view wrestling as being somehow divinely connected or something, and then places it as an essential ingredient of a post-apocalyptic world. Jesus might take up wrestling? Hulk Hogan is the re-incarnation of Jacob? Oh, I know. This is an alternative forum. But, my friend, there's alternative and then there's really alternative. And I know which side of things THIS thread belongs on. Nuff said.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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Re: A few questions about Professional Wrestling

Haven wrote:

By this thread, I can say that moralman has come off a lot better in these posts than a bunch of you others.

I know, you mentioned this earlier already.   You're entitled to feel that way.   If you don't have a problem with Moralmans' posts, then so be it.   Not everybody sees things the same way or hold the same views about people. 


Haven wrote:

I find this thread really enlightening.  It seems that no matter the "talk" about higher things, it still means nothing as far as how enlightened one currently is. Enlightened as in real knowledge, of how to be at peace, to find peace in things, and how to promote that peace.

I can't speak for others, and the others who have posted here, but I for one have never professed to be a saint.    I have my faults, we all do.   Also, person can "talk" about higher things and still question what someone is saying.   It doesn't make us unworthy of talking about the "higher" things, nor does it make us hypocrites, as your post subtly implies. 

Talking about the "higher" things also doesn't mean one has to behave as a saint, be perfect, or carry on as Buddha or Jesus (supposedly...) did, at all times.   


Haven wrote:

  Moralman, in my opinion, has taken a large dose of unnecessary criticism and has risen above it all.

Maybe you're new here, but Moralman's had a lot of posts that were along the lines of this one, and again, I can't speak for others, but I think this thread was the "straw that broke the camel's back", so to speak.   It was, for me, the one that made me go HAHN?!?!?!   ?!?!?    And probably for others as well, because it was one more in a long line of posts that have gotten increasingly strange.    If you review this thread, you'll see where those other posts were discussed.   You keep saying that you've been following this thread and are "enlightened" by it.  Yet it seems you've missed a hell of a lot, namely, the mentions of Moralman's past posts which explains why we're all reacting the way we are.    That's one piece of information that seems to be overlooked here.    We're looking at the bigger picture and a long string of strange posts that ask strange questions, such as Where is so-and-so's soul currently residing?   What's the nature of so-and-so's soul?   What's going to happen to this or to that after 2012?   Etc.   As has been pointed out before, Moralman repeatedly asks the unanswerable questions.   He wants definitive answers from us, and he wants them NOW, "ASAP!!!!" as he always says, as if we here are God, or an Oracle.   

Again, you might not be aware of all those past posts, you might be basing your judgment on this one thread alone, but, that's the back story.   


Haven wrote:

I'm impressed, and find him appearing more advanced, despite the opinion that his love of wrestling makes him somewhat less of a person (a "reptilian" idea of worth, if I were cornered to say so).

Again, see past posts for "back story."   It might enlighten you to the current situation in this thread.   If you're going on this thread alone, then I can see how you might have the view that you have.   

As for me, you do have a point, so, that is it.   I can not take any more on the subject of wrestling!    It's enough for me.   Buh bye!

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"Oh boy, are you one of those dull Love/Light types I keep hearing about?"

No.

"There will be no differences of opinion on this planet! Peace is the only way to go!" Limiting, conformist nonsense."

I didn't say that.  Peace is the only way to go.  You're confusing what you're doing with constructive criticism.  I've seen a lot of flat-out elitism in this thread.

"I respect Moralman's views and opinions, but I also respect my own ability to feel differently about things and express such."

That's a slippery slope.  Terrorists also feel this way.  There's a difference between discussion and ridicule.  I don't know if you came off that way in this thread, I didn't read a part of them.

"No one here has said that Moralman is any "less" of a person than anyone else, and I don't think anyone would because it would be utter bullshit."

But you can undermine their beliefs and opinions.  You see a lot of that in anti-christian forums.  To so blatantly disregard someone's belief or faith or whatever, is akin to undermining their self.  While I believe it is important to undermine the ego to achieve enlightenment, I don't believe in chaotic barking and tearing apart.

"What I find odd is the way he seems to view wrestling as being somehow divinely connected or something, and then places it as an essential ingredient of a post-apocalyptic world."

I think he was trying to give his opinion on certain lines of thinking supporting his theory.  He would have never brought up the divinity of wrestling if someone hadn't condemned it as evil or reptilian or any other undermining statement.

"This is an alternative forum. But, my friend, there's alternative and then there's really alternative. And I know which side of things THIS thread belongs on. Nuff said."

That's subjective.  Moralman made a good point in putting the light on some of these posts against his reasoning.  I don't think any information should be ignored, lest you miss something.  I'm not saying treat everything sacred, but don't automatically dismiss something.  Do you realize how many of you are so programmed that you have your mind made up before you consider it?  You might think that being open to certain spiritual realities as enlightened, but that means squat if you still have that closed-attitude.  It's like you missed the point of learning all those things in the first place.

"I know, you mentioned this earlier already."

I know I mentioned it already, just like you keep rehashing your own opinions.  Most people speak once, and you know who they are.

"You're entitled to feel that way.   If you don't have a problem with Moralmans' posts, then so be it.   Not everybody sees things the same way or hold the same views about people."

There's a difference between disagreeing and being outright rude.

"Also, person can "talk" about higher things and still question what someone is saying.   It doesn't make us unworthy of talking about the "higher" things, nor does it make us hypocrites, as your post subtly implies."

Again, there's a difference between questioning and undermining, for no purpse, either, other than to convince moralman or whoever else is reading that moralman's opinion is ridiculous.  I didn't say it made you unworthy of talking about higher things, that's something your filter picked up.  Maybe you're very competitive, or feel at a disadvantage.  I don't know.  I didn't say you were hypocrites, either.  My point was that there's  a difference between being enlightened, and talking about enlightened things.

"Talking about the "higher" things also doesn't mean one has to behave as a saint, be perfect, or carry on as Buddha or Jesus (supposedly...) did, at all times."   

I assume, and I may be wrong, that you have a problem with christianity.  I don't really want to discuss that, but I may suggest that your anger is misplaced, as moralman is clearly on the christian party-line.  All I implied was that I imagined that such open minded people such as yourselves are, in a lot of ways, still at square one.

"Maybe you're new here, but Moralman's had a lot of posts that were along the lines of this one"

I don't know his record, but I don't think it gives anyone the right to try to force moralman into submission because he doesn't fit your idea of enlightenment, or how to behave properly.  I find it egotistical to attack someone for something such as this thread.

"Yet it seems you've missed a hell of a lot, namely, the mentions of Moralman's past posts which explains why we're all reacting the way we are."

I don't think I've missed anything.  There is no reason, in my opinion, to attack someone for being "silly" or "dumb" or whatever name anyone wants to give it.  I think you may have missed the compassion part on the road to enlightenment.  As Jesus says, "even an evil father will give his child bread when the child asks for it."

"As has been pointed out before, Moralman repeatedly asks the unanswerable questions."

What's the sound of one hand clapping?  If a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to hear it, will it make a sound?

"Again, you might not be aware of all those past posts, you might be basing your judgment on this one thread alone, but, that's the back story."   

I don't need to know the backstory.  Moralman has been very gracious, and I would never ridicule someone who had no intention of harm.  Your posts, lyra, on the other hand, are inflammatory.

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Haven wrote:

Your posts, lyra, on the other hand, are inflammatory.

Perhaps you should look at your own motives here before you go around calling other people inflamatory, because that's what I see in your last couple of posts. I'll give you points for sublety alright but I don't think anyone's under any illusions what your motives are here.

You're obviously new to this forum, and here you are criticising us, likening us to terrorists, making huge assumptions about us, and inferring that we're being outright rude, while trying to put yourself and Moralman on some kind of holy pedestal. If that's not meant to be inflammatory my friend, do tell what is.

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Hehe, can't you see this thread itself has turned to professional wrestling smile

As I see, some bright and sharp minds are pushing, pulling, throwing each other to the ground.

Good metaphor-thread.

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Dear Haven
kind regards
Thank you for your support.
I would like to clarify things in the face of being branded as a stereo typical weird forum poster.
Lyra has accused me of posting daft subjects.
She didn't like when I asked about Mike Tysons soul and how he gets his power to KO opponents in the ring when he must get that source of power from somewhere.
Furthermore she objected when I wanted to know where Adolf Hitlers soul is currently residing even though some people came up with answers and some good debates ensued thereafter.
Then she and others objected to me asking how many souls were in existence which I will admit was a pretty dumb question in some ways as the souls in existence are infinite and we probably wouldn't be able to count them although I was referring to Human souls.
Put my screenname in the forum search box and look at my old forum posts to deduce if you think that I may be posting in a wrong manner.
I don't believe in my heart or hearts that I am posting in the wrong manner-I am a learner on an alternative learning forum website.
I like to think that I have knowledge in subjects but you can never admit to knowing too much on any subject.
Lyra misinterprets me and that is her fault.
I don't ask the unanswerable-I ask for answers if people have answers according to their own knowledge either advanced or otherwise or a basic opinion.
People have the choice of answering or not answering my questions and sometimes I get answers and on other occassions I don't get any answers from the Noble realms.
I want answers of course but it is based on knowledge-I would hope for definitive answers but I don't demand answers as Lyra pointed out.
Furthermore Lyra stated because I say that I would appreciate a response A.S.A.P means that I want answers unreasonably quickly is also false.
When I state the words A.S.A.P I mean just that-A.S.A.P for the individual which could be a day, a few days, week etc............basically when the individual has time.
Indeed you are more correct about me being enlightened-I have come onto an alternative forum and raised an alternative subject and the people who claim to be alternative minded have shut their minds and have acted in a narrow minded manner.
I simply wanted to know if professional wrestling would be around after the shift in 2012...........I really didn't believe that people on an alternative thinking forum would re-act like this.
People on this forum talk about extraterrestrials, drinking mushroom potions and the sort of things that would be shunned and laughed at in normal society quarters yet these same people with alternative opinions cannot even be tolerant of professional wrestling.
In fact professional wrestling is more real to most people than ET's as most people have never seen an ET.
Some people on this forum really need to evaluate their attitudes with Lyra being right at the top of the list.
yours thankfully
John

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Moralman wrote:

People on this forum talk about extraterrestrials, drinking mushroom potions and the sort of things that would be shunned and laughed at in normal society quarters yet these same people with alternative opinions cannot even be tolerant of professional wrestling.

That is a very good point, Moralman.  People are attracted to this forum because of its open nature to exotic ideas.  I think the last thing anyone on this forum should be labelling other people with is "weird."  If John Q. Public read most of these posts, he would surely walk away shaking his head in disbelief.  Weird would probably be one of the first feelings that came to mind.  I think if we are to consider ourselves pursuing the path of enlightment, weird needs to be an emotion thrown in the garbage. 

On the other hand, John, you should have realized that many of the people here regard television as a debilitating medium.  Their responses are going to reflect that, so you shouldn't be surprised when you read a few unexpected answers.  You obviously consider yourself a moral person, but do you really believe the WWF to be moral?  You give it the blanket label of good versus evil while leaving out the underlying components composing the WWF.  For instance, do you agree with their portrayal of women?  Do you agree with the wrestler's tactic of demeaning their opponent?  Finally, do you agree with the manufactured violence that constitutes the backbone of the organization? 

Regards,
WMHAOI

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Dear WhoamI
Kind regards
I think that TV contains good things and bad things therefore people on this forum should not ouright condemn TV for the negative aspects.
WWF was moral during the "Hulkamania era" from 1983 to 1995.
However todays version of WWE is a tainted version of what it used to be.
I don't agree with the way that women are portrayed and over hyped in professional wrestling.
Wrestling is wrestling and therefore winning and demaning your opponent is the name of the game but remember it is scripted.
yours thankfully
John