Topic: 2005 + 7

Now, being familiar with the bible as I am, and familiar with the evidence that December 23, 2012 is the day that we enter a new age, I sometimes try to put these two together.  The Bible talks about the period in which the world is under the anti-christ and then subsequently freed from it to be a period of 7 years.  That would put the year that things start happening at 2005.

The synchronistic number that I see a lot, even before I knew what synchronicity was, is 311.  In fact, it was before I earnestly started down my path.  Spain was attacked on March 11, and some people think that these dates where things happen occur annually, like an echo.  So, I'm curious as to whether this next March 11 will see something ushering in this New World Order.

If anyone has any experience or knowledge of 311, I'd appreciate it.  I've never satisfactorily been able to figure out the significance of that number.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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Dear Haven
Firstly I am very pleased to meet a like minded person such as yourself who uses the Bible as a means of prophecy and knowledge of future events.
I think that the years from 2005 to 2012 are going to be very interesting either in a good or bad way depending on the knowledge of the people living at this moment in time.
To analyse when the Anti-Christ is coming we have to first analyse the identity of the Anti-Christ and the opinions differ according to whom you ask.
Before I can comment further I have a question for you.
1. Who/What do you think the Anti-Christ will be?
When I know your definition of the biblical Anti-Christ I can comment further.
If you could please answer the question A.S.A.P I'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
John

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Haven wrote:

Now, being familiar with the bible as I am, and familiar with the evidence that December 23, 2012 is the day that we enter a new age, I sometimes try to put these two together.  The Bible talks about the period in which the world is under the anti-christ and then subsequently freed from it to be a period of 7 years.  That would put the year that things start happening at 2005.


What I have been thinking of which might seem as a bit daft or even glib as an explanation but in any case may relate to some sort of number codes regarding the countdown to 2012. That is the fact that since the turn of the century there have been coming up  even numbers at one point each year.  Like; 020202, 030303, 040404 and so on.....  Which then eventually will end up at 121212.  That would then be the end of that kind of numerical incident as a sort of a countdown.  I feel this might sort of be in line with or typical for Illuminati thinking. 
On the other hand  there is no official 13 month.  It occurs however in pagan calendars.  Like moon calendars and so on.  According to the celtic lore there is a 13th sign of the zodiac between taurus and gemini called Arachne (the Spider). -Stewart Swerdlow on the other hand is saying that there is a 13th zodiac sign according to the Illuminati between scorpio and saggitarius called the sign of the Dragon.  Perhaps there is both, and that they sort of make up two secret opposite signs of the zodiac.  Since many things are hidden from us we may have yet to find out. As far as I understand 2012 should be the end of the old age and 2013 the beginning of the new or the end of time as we know it according to the maya. 

Anyhow; I think your bible theory seems quite hopeful.  Anything that could bring hope of a better world in signs or in a number code, I am personally very happy to read about. 
Interesting also that 23 as you talked about in another thread should  relate to sirius.  There was also mentioned something about the significance of the 1970'ies in that thread.  I feel something has been established during that time periode.  Don't exactly know what.  Something about way of thinking perhaps.  Like thought structures or mentality.  Perhaps a foundation to the New Age (New World Order) or something.  Perhaps some kind of a sirian influence.
H

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Moralman wrote:

Dear Haven
Firstly I am very pleased to meet a like minded person such as yourself who uses the Bible as a means of prophecy and knowledge of future events.
I think that the years from 2005 to 2012 are going to be very interesting either in a good or bad way depending on the knowledge of the people living at this moment in time.
To analyse when the Anti-Christ is coming we have to first analyse the identity of the Anti-Christ and the opinions differ according to whom you ask.
Before I can comment further I have a question for you.
1. Who/What do you think the Anti-Christ will be?
When I know your definition of the biblical Anti-Christ I can comment further.
If you could please answer the question A.S.A.P I'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
John

I don't know what or who the antichrist is going to be.  My latest pondering of the question points in this direction:

The Roman Catholic religion will somehow be involved.  Maybe Catholicism will be instituted as the official religion, forcing us to accept Jesus Christ or else.  The line of that theory is that they will get us to accept Jesus Christ as too literal, and urge us to see that Jesus is God incarnate.  My own opinion is that I don't quite believe that Jesus was God, but was Christ.  Those are two different things in my view.  Worshipping Jesus as God breaks the first commandment, it could be seen, and the Book of Revelation repeatedly tells humanity to worship God the Father.  According to some, 666 is the result of adding the solar square used in the old days.  That means worshipping the male power is highly instable and doomed to cause a backlash.

Taking that theory, there seems to be a push, also, that a Goddess has been overlooked and is coming back into balance.  The PTB have also taken that into consideration, and are manipulating the female energy as a destructive force.  It also speaks about this in Revelation, in that there's a whore that rides the beast.  Revelation speaks about a bride, but most see this as the church.

I think, as far as the Christ message goes, is that finding Christ is another way of saying finding the true self.  To advance to the next level, we must connect with this true self.  It's like earning your individual soul on the other side.  Those that don't become enlightened and find this true self may fade away or become a part of an underlying consciousness.  That doesn't mean, however, accepting a religion as part of the deal.  To externalize this imbalances the equation, causing it to teeter and throw everything out of control.  As to there being a Messiah, as the Jews envisioned one, as in an anointed representative to act as a King-Priest, may be legit.

The idea of making the Pope this King-Priest may be where a large part of this thing is revealed.  The Pope as infallible, and basically as Jesus Christ on earth, is a mistake.  I think the Roman Catholic church may try to claim that Jesus has come back, and is apointed as the Pope, since that would be the logical assumption.  This Jesus won't be the actual Jesus, though, which will deceive many people, and will be forced upon others.  There may also be a push to recognize a Goddess that isn't the actual Goddess, too.

But, this theory is hardly fleshed out just of now.  There's more to it, but this is the bones of this one theory.  It could be totally wrong, but I think that there's a good chance that the PTB might use the Christian beliefs against us.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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Any evidence to the contrary will be appreciated.  I earnestly want to pursue this line of thinking, and input will go far to figure this one out.  I would encourage everybody that can to participate in this theory and see what we can come up with.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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Perhaps oil will trigger these events within the next year.  Prices will raise, wars will be fought over it, and all manner of things involving oil.  "Peak Oil"

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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Will The End of Oil Mean The End of America? 
by Robert Freeman
 
In Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Robert Pirsig tells the story of a South American Indian tribe that has devised an ingenious monkey trap. The Indians cut off the small end of a coconut and stuff it with sweetmeats and rice. They tether the other end to a stake and place it in a clearing.

Soon, a monkey smells the treats inside and comes to see what it is. It can just barely get its hand into the coconut but, stuffed with booty, it cannot pull the hand back out. The Indians easily walk up to the monkey and capture it. Even as the Indians approach, the monkey screams in horror, not only in fear of its captors, but equally as much, one imagines, in recognition of the tragedy of its own lethal but still unalterable greed.

Pirsig uses the story to illustrate the problem of value rigidity. The monkey cannot properly evaluate the relative worth of a handful of food compared to its life. It chooses wrongly, catastrophically so, dooming itself by its own short-term fixation on a relatively paltry pleasure.

America has its own hand in a coconut, one that may doom it just as surely as the monkey. That coconut is its dependence on cheap oil in a world where oil will soon come to an end. The choice we face (whether to let the food go or hold onto it) is whether to wean ourselves off of oil–to quickly evolve a new economy and a new basis for civilization–or to continue to secure stable supplies from the rest of the world by force.

As with Pirsig’s monkey, the alternative consequences of each choice could not be more dramatic. Weaning ourselves off of cheap oil, while not easy, will help ensure the vitality of the American economy and the survival of its political system. Choosing the route of force will almost certainly destroy the economy and doom America’s short experiment in democracy.

To date, we have chosen the second alternative: to secure oil by force. The evidence of its consequences are all around us. They include the titanic US budget and trade deficits funding a gargantuan, globally-deployed military and the Patriot Act and its starkly anti-democratic rescissions of civil liberties. There is little time left to change this choice before its consequences become irreversible.

The world is quickly running out of oil. In the year 2000, global production stood at 76 Million Barrels per Day (MBD). By 2020, demand is forecast to reach 112 MBD, an increase of 47%. But additions to proven reserves have virtually stopped and it is clear that pumping at present rates is unsustainable. Estimates of the date of “peak global production“? vary with some experts saying it already may have occurred as early as the year 2000. New Scientist magazine recently placed the year of peak production in 2004. Virtually all experts believe it will almost certainly occur before the end of this decade.

And the rate of depletion is accelerating. Imagine a production curve that rises slowly over 145 years–the time since oil was discovered in Pennsylvania in 1859. Over this time, the entire world shifted to oil as the foundation of industrial civilization. It invested over one hundreds trillion dollars in a physical infrastructure and an economic system run entirely on oil. But oil production is now at its peak and the right hand side of the curve is a virtual drop off. Known reserves are being drawn down at 4 times the rate of new discoveries.

The reason for the drop off is that not only have all the “big“? discoveries already been made, the rate of consumption is increasing dramatically. Annual world energy use is up five times since 1945. Increases are now driven by massive developing countries–China, India, Brazil–growing and emulating first or at least second world consumption standards. Fixed supply. Stalled discoveries. Sharply increased consumption. This is the formula for global oil depletion within the next few decades.

The situation is especially critical in the US. With barely 4% of the world’s population, the US consumes 26% of the world’s energy. But the US produced only 9 MBD in 2000 while consuming 19 MBD. It made up the difference by importing 10 MBD, or 53% of its needs. By 2020, the US Department of Energy forecasts domestic demand will grow to 25 MBD but production will be down to 7 MBD. The daily shortfall of 18 MBD or 72% of needs, will all need to be imported.

Perhaps it goes without saying but it deserves repeating anyway: oil is the sine qua non of “industrial“? civilization–the one thing without which such civilization cannot exist. All of the world’s 600 million automobiles depend on oil. So do virtually all other commodities and critical processes: airlines, chemicals, plastics, medicines, agriculture, heating, etc. Almost all of the increase in world food productivity over the past 50 years is attributable to increases in the use of oil-derived additives: pesticides; herbicides; fungicides; fertilizers; and machinery.

When oil is gone, civilization will be stupendously different. The onset of rapid depletion will trigger convulsions on a global scale, including, likely, global pandemics and die-offs of significant portions of the world’s human population. The “have“? countries will face the necessity kicking the “have-nots“? out of the global lifeboat in order to assure their own survival. Even before such conditions are reached, inelastic supply interacting with inelastic demand will drive the price of oil and oil-derived commodities through the stratosphere, effecting by market forces alone massive shifts in the current distribution of global wealth.

If the US economy is not to grind to a halt under these circumstances it must choose one of three alternate strategies: dramatically lower its living standards (something it is not willing to do); substantially increase the energy efficiency of its economy; or make up the shortfall by securing supplies from other countries. President Bush’s National Energy Policy published in March 2001 explicitly commits the US to the third choice: Grab the Oil. It is this choice that is now driving US military and national security policy. And, in fact, the past 60 years of US policy in the Middle East can only be understood as the effort to control access to the world’s largest supply of oil.

Witness, for example, the deep US embrace of Saudi Arabia since World War II. One quarter of all US weapons sales between 1950 and 2000 went to Saudi Arabia despite its horrifically repressive, literally medieval tribal nature. The CIA’s overthrow of Mohamed Mosadegh in Iran in 1953 after he nationalized his country’s oil is another example. So, too, was the US strategic embrace of Israel during the 1967 Six Day War. The US was deeply mired in Vietnam but needed a “cop on the beat“? to challenge Arab states–Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Yemen–that were “going Soviet.“? It has stuck with that relationship ever since.

More recent examples of national strategy in bondage to the compulsion for oil include US support for Saddam Hussein in the Iran/Iraq War; its support for Osama bin Laden in the Afghanistan War against the Soviet Union; and, of course, the most recent invasion of Iraq to seize its oilfields and forward position US forces for an invasion of neighboring Saudi Arabia when it is inevitably destroyed by internal civil war. And under a Grab the Oil strategy, militarization of US society will only deepen.

The reason is that a very major portion of the world’s oil is, by accident of geology, in the hands of states hostile to the US. Fully 60% percent of the world’s proven reserves of oil are in the Persian Gulf. They lie beneath Muslim countries undergoing a religious revolution that wants to return the industrial world to a pre-modern order governed by a fundamentalist Islamic theocracy. Saudi Arabia alone controls 25% of all the world’s oil, more than that of North America, South America, Europe and Africa combined. Kuwait, Iran and Iraq, each control approximately 10% of the world’s oil.

Another 15% of the world’s oil lies in the Caspian Sea region, also a dominantly Muslim region. It includes a group of post-Soviet, satellite and buffer states that lack any semblance of legal or market systems. They are extraordinarily corrupt, really just Gangster Thugocracies masquerading as countries. Think Afghanistan. Both Russia and China consider this region part of their “sphere of strategic influence“? portending significant clashes for the US over coming decades.

As long as the US chooses the Grab the Oil alternative, the implications for national policy are inescapable. The combination of all these facts–fixed supply, rapid depletion, lack of alternatives, severity of consequences, and hostility of current stockholding countries–drive the US to HAVE to adopt an aggressive (pre-emptive) military posture and to carry out a nakedly colonial expropriation of resources from weaker countries around the world.

This is why the US operates some 700 military bases around the world and spends over half a trillion dollars per year on military affairs, more than all the rest of the world–its “allies“? included–combined. This is why the Defense Department’s latest Quadrennial Review stated, “The US must retain the capability to send well-armed and logistically supported forces to critical points around the globe, even in the face of enemy opposition.“? This is why Pentagon brass say internally that current force levels are inadequate to the strategic challenges they face and that they will have to re-instate the draft after the 2004 elections.

But the provocation occasioned by grabbing the oil, especially from nations ideologically hostile to the US, means that military attacks on the US and the recourse to military responses will only intensify until the US is embroiled in unending global conflict. This is the perverse genius of the Grab the Oil strategy: it comes with its own built-in escalation, its own justification for ever more militarization–without limit. It will blithely consume the entire US economy, the entire society, without being sated. It is, in homage to Orwell, Perpetual War for Perpetual Grease.

In his first released tape after 9/11, Osama bin Laden stated that he carried out the attacks for three reasons: 1) to drive US military forces from Saudi Arabia, the most sacred place of Islam; 2) to avenge the deaths of over half a million Iraqi children killed, according to UNICEF, as a result of the US-sponsored embargo of the 1990s; and, 3) to punish US sponsorship of Israeli oppression against the Palestinian people. Oil and the need to control it are critically implicated in all three reasons.

But now comes the sobering part. In response to the 9/11 attacks, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld stated that the US was engaged in “…a thirty to forty year war (!) against fundamentalist Islam.“? It is the fever of War, of course, that becomes the all-purpose justification for the rollback of civil liberties. Lincoln used the Civil War to justify the suspension of habeas corpus. Roosevelt used the cover of World War II to inter hundreds of thousands of Japanese Americans. And now Bush is using the self-ratcheting “War on Terror“? to effect even more sweeping, perhaps permanent rescissions of civil liberties.

Under the Patriot Act, a person can be arrested without probable cause, held indefinitely without being charged, tried without a lawyer or a jury, sentenced without the opportunity to appeal, and put to death–all without notification of…anybody. This is simply a Soviet Gulag and it has been rationalized by the hysterical over-hyping of the War on Terror. The fact that it is not yet widespread does not diminish the more important fact that it has been put in place precisely in anticipation of such procedures needing to be being carried out on a mass scale in the future.

The broader implications of the Patriot Acts go far beyond the abusive treatment of criminals or terrorists. Their portent can be glimpsed in the language used to justify them. When Attorney General John Ashcroft testified on behalf of the Act, he stated, “…those who oppose us are providing aid and comfort to the enemy.“? These are carefully chosen words. “Aid and comfort to the enemy“? are the words used in the Constitution to define Treason, the most fateful of crimes against the state. In other words, protest against the government–the singular right without which America would not even exist–is now being defined as trying to overthrow the government.

And by the internal logic of a global Oil Empire, this is entirely reasonable. The needs of the people of any one country must be subordinated to the larger agenda of Empire itself. This is what the Romans learned in 27 B.C. when Augustus proclaimed himself Emperor. It was the end of the Roman Republic and the disappearance of representative government on earth for almost 1,700 years, until the English Civil Wars in the 1600s. That is the reality we are confronting today–offering up our democracy in propitiation to an Empire for Oil. It will be a fateful, irreversible decision.

Returning to Pirsig’s metaphor, the choice of a Grab the Oil strategy is the equivalent of the monkey holding onto the handful of food, remaining trapped by the coconut. It is an ironclad guarantee of escalating global conflict, isolation of the US in the world, unremitting attacks on the US by those whose oil is being expropriated and whose societies are being dominated, the militarization of the US economy, the irreversible rescission of civil liberties, and the eventual extinguishment of American democracy itself. It is the conscious, self-inflicted consignment to political and economic death.

But the coconut metaphor, remember, involves a choice–food or freedom. What, then, is the alternative, the letting go of the paltry handful of food in conscious preference for the life of continued freedom?

The alternative to Grab the Oil is to dispense with the hobbling dependency on oil itself and to quickly wean the country off of it. Call it the path of Energy Reconfiguration. It is to declare a modern day Manhattan Project aimed at minimizing the draw down in the world’s finite stocks of oil, extending their life, and mitigating the calamity inherent in their rapid exhaustion. It means building a physical infrastructure to the economy that is based on an alternative to oil. And it means doing this, not unilaterally or militarily as the US is doing now, but in peaceful partnership with other countries of the world, the other counties in our shared global lifeboat that are also threatened by the end of oil.

In more specific terms, energy reconfiguration means retrofitting all of the nation’s buildings, both commercial and residential, to double their energy efficiency. It means a crash program to shift the transportation system–cars, trucks–to a basis that uses perhaps half as much oil per year. This is well within reach of current technology. Energy Reconfiguration means using biotechnology to develop crops that require much less fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides and machinery to harvest. It means refitting industrial and commercial processes–lighting, heating, appliances, automation, etc.–so that they, too, consume far less energy than they do today. It means increasing efficiency, reducing consumption, and building sustainable, long-term alternatives in every arena in which the economy uses oil.

Such a program would return incalculable benefits to national security, the economy, and to the environment.

In terms of national security, Energy Reconfiguration greatly reduces the county’s susceptibility to oil blackmail. It reduces the need for provocative adventurism into foreign countries in pursuit of oil. As such, it reduces the incentive for terrorism against the US. And by reducing such threats, it reduces the need for a sprawling, expensive military abroad and a repressive police state at home. Savings in military costs–perhaps on the order of hundreds of billions of dollars a year–could well pay for such a program. The saving of democracy, of course, is priceless.

The economic benefits are at least equally impressive. By reducing energy imports, the US would reduce its hemorrhaging trade deficit and the mortgaging of the nation’s future that such borrowing implies. A national corps of workers set to retrofitting the nation’s homes and businesses for energy efficiency would address employment problems for decades in a way that could not be outsourced to Mexico or India or China. And a more efficient industrial infrastructure would make all goods made in America more competitive with those made abroad. In all of these ways, Energy Reconfiguration raises, not lowers, the average standard of living while increasing the resilience of the economy as a whole.

Energy Reconfiguration also delivers enormous–perhaps incalculable–benefits to the environment. By reducing energy intensity, it reduces the impact on the biotic carrying systems of any level of economic activity. Global warming may be the single most potent threat to global stability today. A recently leaked Pentagon report predicted that rapid climate change may well set off global competition for food and water supplies and, in the worst scenarios, spark nuclear war. If the US did no more than change from being the most energy inefficient economy in the industrial world to being of only average efficiency, it would dramatically slow the environmental destruction that hangs like a sword over the entire world.

Are there any precedents for such an ambitious vision? In the 1980s China adopted a nationwide energy efficiency program. Within a decade, overall energy intensity fell by 50% while economic growth led the developing world. Also in the 1980s, Denmark began a crash program in wind-generated electricity. Today, wind provides 10% of Denmark’s electricity while Denmark makes 60% of all the wind turbines sold in the world. India’s Renewable Energy Development Agency used a similar set of programs beginning in 1987 to reduce oil based electricity usage. Today, India is the largest user of photovoltaic systems in the world.

Even within the US there are ample precedents for optimism. The US economy was 42% more energy efficient in 2000 than it was in the 1970s when the Arab oil embargoes shocked the country into action. Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAF É) standards more than doubled the average mileage of US automobiles between 1975 and 1985 before being effectively abandoned in the late 1980s. The National Research Council has reported that efficiency programs sponsored by the Department of Energy returned $20 for every $1 invested, making them arguably one of the best investments in the economy even before a change in national energy strategy.

We should harbor no illusions, however, that adopting such a strategy will be easy. The military and energy industries in which the Bush family is so heavily invested will vigorously resist such a policy. And the energy bill now making its way through Congress is nothing so much as a testament to the death grip the energy industry holds on the American people. It provides tens of billions of dollars of subsidies and giveaways to energy companies while actually encouraging more intensive energy use. As the poster boy of these leviathans, President Bush expressed their sentiments best: “We need an energy policy that encourages consumption.“? What more need be said?

In the end, the choice of these two alternatives–Grab the Oil or Energy Reconfiguration–is much bigger than oil alone. It is a choice about the fundamental ethos and, in fact, the very nature of the country. Most immediately, it is about democracy versus empire. In economic terms, it is about prosperity or poverty. In engineering terms, it is a matter of efficiency over waste. In moral terms this is the choice of sufficiency or gluttony. From the standpoint of the environment, it is a preference for stewardship over continued predation. In the ways the US deals with other countries it is the choice of co-operation versus dominance. And in spiritual terms, it is the choice of hope, freedom and purpose over fear, dependency and despair. In this sense, this is truly the decision that will define the future of America and perhaps the world.

A final word on Pirsig’s monkey. The monkey is doomed but not tragic. For the monkey cannot really comprehend the fateful implications of its choice: that its greed assures its doom. In the case of people and a country, however, that is not the case. It is no accident that President Bush has not asked any sacrifices of the country for his War on Terror. That is part of the seduction, like the candy a drug pusher uses to lure an unsuspecting child.

But we cannot, like the monkey, claim to be unaware of the choice we are making. Awareness of such choices is part of the burden of mature citizenship. Nor can we feign ignorance of the consequences. Simply put, our present course will cost us our country. And our doom will be compounded by incalculable tragedy and what Lincoln once called “the last best hope for mankind“? will, indeed, perish from this earth. Unless, that is, we find the vision, the wisdom and the courage to let go that handful of paltry treats and choose freedom instead.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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Haven wrote:

The idea of making the Pope this King-Priest may be where a large part of this thing is revealed.  The Pope as infallible, and basically as Jesus Christ on earth, is a mistake.  I think the Roman Catholic church may try to claim that Jesus has come back, and is apointed as the Pope, since that would be the logical assumption.  This Jesus won't be the actual Jesus, though, which will deceive many people, and will be forced upon others.  There may also be a push to recognize a Goddess that isn't the actual Goddess, too.

Haven wrote:

Whoa, this is odd to be popping up.

Ayahuasca wrote:

The Fifth Reich and How The New World Order Collapsed

                              by Stuart Wilde


....

In collusion with the Christian fundamentalists, the Brotherhood of the Snake even tried to install a fake Jesus, who was backed by the media full on. It was odd seeing the media moguls backing Jesus, as that hadn't been their thing in the past, but times were desperate. The elite believed that the appearance of 'the returned' Jesus would solidify their pretense to be holy and good in the minds' of ordinary people, who by now had become a bit suspicious. It was a gallant, last-ditch attempt. The idea was that the fake Jesus would endorse the black empire of the Fourth Reich and endow it with righteousness, and that would take attention away from the Fifth Reich that was now being exposed. The ploy didn't work for long.

The Tibetan Buddhists were doing well at the time, and the Dalai Lama was considered as an alternative. He was asked to endorse the Reich and the failing, fake Jesus. They even offered to give him back Tibet if he got behind the scam. You see in those days, the Tibetan Llamas appealed to people's need to spiritually dry-clean themselves from what were often seen as greedy and egocentric ways. It appealed to those who longed to be part of a spiritually aristocracy. Lots of Hollywood folk dropped their souls round to the Tibetan launderette. The Snake knew this, so they hoped to use the Dalai Lama to give their phony Jesus a bit of a wash and brush up. It didn't work.

The Dalai Lama was an honest man and though he wanted Tibet, he wasn't prepared to back the lies of the Snake. Instead he talked about truth, benevolence and compassion, which irritated the Snake, no end. Anyway, by now the Christian fundamentalists had bought the fake Jesus, lock, stock, and barrel, and they were making a slew of cash. Their people were hooked. They didn't need the Dalai Lama getting in the way. China balked at handing back Tibet, and anyway, they had a fake Dalai Lama they hoped to wheel in. They weren't up for helping the real one, so the fake Jesus plan began to unravel every which way it could.**

Meanwhile, the regular occurrence of prominent folk and petty tyrants keeling over didn't go unnoticed. A lot of marginal folk who would have joined the Fifth Reich had they known how, had to decide one way or the other, which way their spiritual loyalties lay. Some were royally conned by the fake Jesus ploy, and they sadly trotted off to their spiritual doom. But others turned ‘round at the last minute and came back to god, albeit rather sheepishly.

....

©Stuart Wilde 2002
www.stuartwilde.com

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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"This forum has 311 registered users, 1130 topics"

Just had to celebrate a minor synchronicity.  Still don't know what 311 is, other than 23 equals five (which I see a lot), 311 is five, and my B-day, 1-22, equals five.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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I'm keepin' it alive!  I'll stop after March 11, I promise.

"Total number of topics: 1311"

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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Don't worry Haven, you will get the responces you are looking for.  For now. Keep it alive, I will dig up what I know in the mean time.  This is worth keeping.

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through new testament revelations i find the anti-christ's time should be at hand and there are three"holy trinity?" to watch intently...pope benedict xvi, president g.w.bush, and prince charles of wales, who imho owns all the biblical signs described in revelations...just look at the coat of arms for prince charles and camilla- june 2005 will reveal much how much more planetary realignment of powers,[election of new politicos to follow nwo]
mo l8r
grafik

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Re: 2005 + 7

which verses in revelations i would like to look them up, dont take me as skeptic just interested. and why june 2005?

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Re: 2005 + 7

As one of the most influential men in the Vatican, he presided over the Pope's funeral earlier this month and was said to be among the pontiff's closest friends.

Cardinal Ratzinger has been head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - formerly known as the Holy Office of the Inquisition - since 1981.

One of his first campaigns was against liberation theology, which had gained ground among priests in Latin America and elsewhere as a means of involving the Church in social activism and human rights issues.

He has described homosexuality as a "tendency" towards an "intrinsic moral evil". During the US election campaign, he called for pro-choice politicians to be denied Communion.

He has also argued that Turkey should not be admitted into the European Union.

The eighth German to become Pope, he speaks 10 languages and is said to be an accomplished pianist with a preference for Beethoven.

Conservative

Cardinal Ratzinger was born into a traditional Bavarian farming family in 1927, although his father was a policeman.

At the age of 14, he joined the Hitler Youth, as was required of young Germans of the time, but was not an enthusiastic member.

His studies at Traunstein seminary were interrupted during World War II when he was drafted into an anti-aircraft unit in Munich.

He deserted the German army towards the end of the war and was briefly held as a prisoner of war by the Allies in 1945.

His supporters say his experiences under the Nazi regime convinced him that the Church had to stand up for truth and freedom.

Cardinal Ratzinger's conservative, traditionalist views were intensified by his experiences during the liberal 1960s.

In 1966 he took a chair in dogmatic theology at the University of Tuebingen.

However, he was appalled at the prevalence of Marxism among his students.

'Abuse of faith'

One incident in particular at Tuebingen, in which student protesters disrupted one of his lectures, seems to have particularly upset him.

In his view, religion was being subordinated to a political ideology that he considered "tyrannical, brutal and cruel".

"That experience made it clear to me that the abuse of faith had to be resisted precisely," he later wrote.

He moved to Regensburg University in his native Bavaria in 1969, eventually rising to become its dean and vice-president.

He was named Cardinal of Munich by Pope Paul VI in 1977.

Wolfgang Cooper, a commentator on religious affairs in Germany, fears that the cardinal could become a divisive figure in the papacy.

"I think if Cardinal Ratzinger was pope, a large distance could grow between the leadership of the Church and the faith," he predicted before the result was known.

The cardinal is a "scientist" who "prefers intellectual discussions", says Mr Cooper, whereas many Catholics want priests and bishops "who will touch the hearts".

start with rev 9:11
summer equinox in june ritualism
also a little later the annual boheimein grove in july
major planning session

goro kicked me off the forum before he shut it down.
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i do graphic art and freely give...
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