1 Topic by lyra (edited by lyra 2004-11-30 08:26:28)

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Topic: Canada?

Hi all,

While combing through some of Stuart Wilde's older visions (posted on his website, www.stuartwilde.com) I came across an interesting one involving Canada. Here it is:

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Quebec, USA
Stuart Wilde
October 2004
 
I saw a vision of a warehouse with crates stacked on pallets. On the crates were written the words, “Made in Quebec in the USA.“?

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In the mid-90s, in a book called Whispering Winds of Change, I said that Canada would spilt up into various nation states. The west is wealthy and oil rich, the east is more of a drain on resources. Maybe French-speaking Quebec eventually aligns with the USA. That would probably please Western Canada as they resent paying for the special treatment Quebec gets from Ottawa.

Western Canada is very progressive and liberal and easy-going. It’s one of the only places in the western world that could survive the up-coming crisis, quite easily. Not just because of its massive oil reserves but because it has a highly sophisticated infrastructure and a hands-off management style by the local government. Enterprise is encouraged and so people have become wealthy and that wealth flows all the way down to the working class. British Columbia is powerfully connected to Asia and much wealth flows to B.C. people because of that.

Western Canada: One of the top spots in the world––miles ahead of everywhere else. B.C. has a very ‘live and let live’ way of thinking, which in the world of the modern Police State will become a priceless attraction to those few souls who still want to wander about without having to ask Mr. Plod, the policeman, his permission.

© Stuart Wilde 2004

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Very interesting. I was wondering what people here thought about not only the idea of Canada breaking into 2, but also of the idea about.....well, moving to Canada.  Sometimes we joke about it in light of the impending Patriot Act Draft Big Brother movement going on in the U.S., but what about this as a serious idea? 

I wasn't knowledgable about the idea of Western Canada being economically stronger and more stable than Eastern Canada, but that's very interesting to hear.

On a sidenote regarding Canada breaking into 2 -  I saw a map recently joking about the election results, and it had all of Canada merged with the states that voted for Kerry, and it was labeled "The United States of Canada."  The states that voted for Bush was called "Jesusland."   big_smile   Too funny.

Are there any NR posters here from Canada, either eastern or western, who could offer insight into what it's like to live there?   Anybody here spend any time in Canada in their travels?   Are there in fact areas that are more economically sound?   What about the Canadian government's involvement in the lives of its citizens?   How much freedom does one really have there?   Is there a fair judicial system?  Do citizens have rights?   What about their monetary system?

And the most important issue of all...hehe..................................how cold IS it in the southwest area of Canada??   Not too cold...I hope!   Not too much snow either!   big_smile

These are all things I think I'll research, just out of curiousity......

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2 Reply by Ayahuasca (edited by Ayahuasca 2004-11-30 10:00:33)

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Re: Canada?

Hi Lyra,

I've considered western canada, particularly Vancouver Island, myself. I was there in February this year. In fact the reason I was there was to meet Stuart and we were on the west side of Vancouver Island (near a place called Tofino).

Even in february it isn't too cold. I seem to remember it averaging about 9 or 10 degrees C during the week I was there. They do get a bit of snow but not a great deal and I don't think it ever gets below freezing like Eastern Canada.

Vancouver Island is extraordinary beautiful, and I have family friends that live there that I also stayed with for a few days in february.

I definitely felt it was a place I could easily live. It's incredibly beautiful, peaceful and scenic. Most of the island is unpopulated, but there are two really nice small cities - Victoria and Nanaimo.

Here's a few links

http://www.vancouverisland.com/

http://www.my-tofino.com/

Vancouver city is also a great place, it's clean and friendly and there's lots going on. I'll put my own pictures online this evening.

But yeah, moving to Vancouver or Vancouver island is, in my opinion, an exceptionally good idea! smile

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3 Reply by wmhaoi (edited by wmhaoi 2004-11-30 10:31:06)

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Re: Canada?

While you are considering a move to Canada, consider this.  Taxes carry a much heavier burden in Canada than the United States.  Also, the cost of living is substantially higher than what is offered in America.  You will also need to come up with a work VISA.  And it is, by no means, easy to obtain since you have to come up with a pretty good case for the papers.  (I would consult an attorney) 

Are the higher taxes and costs of living worth the escape of American law?  That's the question for the individual pondering the decision to answer. 

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4 Reply by lyra (edited by lyra 2004-11-30 10:31:51)

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Re: Canada?

Ayahuasca wrote:

Here's a few links

http://www.vancouverisland.com/

http://www.my-tofino.com/




WOW!!!!!!!!!   Thanks for those links...........so far I've gone to the first one and it's absolutely INCREDIBLE looking!!    Everybody go check out these links, they're amazing.    I love the mountains in the Northwest, really gorgeous.  I really miss that from my time spent in Portland.

I forgot that you know Stuart Wilde..........pretty cool.  He's such a neat guy.  I'm re-reading God's Gladiators now and it's amazing how much more I "get" now versus the first time I read it.  That Stuie, he's onto something...........;)

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wmhaoi wrote:

Are the higher taxes and costs of living worth the escape of American law?

I think just about anything is worth the escape of the ever-increasingly more fascist american government. If I was American I'd be looking at escaping as soon as possible. Seriously dark things are happening in that country and things don't look like improving anytime soon.

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wmhaoi wrote:

While you are considering a move to Canada, consider this.  Taxes carry a much heavier burden in Canada than the United States.  Also, the cost of living is substantially higher than what is offered in America.  You will also need to come up with a work VISA.  And it is, by no means, easy to obtain since you have to come up with a pretty good case for the papers.  (I would consult an attorney) 

Are the higher taxes and costs of living worth the escape of American law?  That's the question for the individual pondering the decision to answer. 

Regards,
WMHAOI

Thanks for the info. wmhaoi.  That's what I'm looking for, information about what it's actually like living there and what it would entail.  I'm sure I won't end up moving there...well, unless I'm suddenly rich wink ...........but you never know.  It's always good to investigate whatever potential options are there, which is what I'm hoping to do with this thread...

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7 Reply by lyra (edited by lyra 2004-11-30 10:47:18)

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Ayahuasca wrote:
wmhaoi wrote:

Are the higher taxes and costs of living worth the escape of American law?

I think just about anything is worth the escape of the ever-increasingly more fascist american government. If I was American I'd be looking at escaping as soon as possible. Seriously dark things are happening in that country and things don't look like improving anytime soon.



Ahhhh...but what about England?  It seems equally as dark as the U.S. and getting worse every day.  Stuart's forever telling people to get out if they can...more so than the U.S.   What about you, have you ever seriously considered leaving England?

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8 Reply by Ayahuasca (edited by Ayahuasca 2004-11-30 11:08:14)

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lyra wrote:

Ahhhh...but what about England?  It seems equally as dark as the U.S. and getting worse every day.  Stuart's forever telling people to get out if they can...more so than the U.S.   What about you, have you ever seriously considered leaving England?

Too right I have!! I've said this in a few posts on here actually, but I want to be out of the UK within 12 months at the most. Hopefully a lot less. I'd leave tomorrow if I had the money.

I think there's a good chance I will finish up in Brazil, or some other South American country. I have a very strong connection to that continent and I think perhaps I may have had a past life over there.

Other places I'm considering are Western Canada and perhaps New Zealand. The problem, wherever I decide to go is always getting a visa, because you can't just emigrate to any country you feel like. I might have to find a bride wink

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9 Reply by Ayahuasca (edited by Ayahuasca 2004-11-30 11:49:25)

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Re: Canada?

I think the biggest reason to start thinking about leaving the States is this:

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/draftindex.shtml

It's looking increasingly more likely that the draft is going to be implemented next year. The age limit of conscription is likely being pushed up to 34, while anybody, up to the age of 44, with skills in 'speciality' fields could also be drafted.

Maybe it won't happen, but I wouldn't want to hang around and find out, particularly when the signs are already looking ominous.

In this case, Canada would not be a good place to go. I think they're talking about being able to deport anyone who tries to escape there.

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Re: Canada?

As a UK citizen, aren't you also now considered an EU citizen?  That would allow you the freedom to go anywhere in Europe to live that you pleased. 

Anyone who has parents that grew up as citizens of a European nation might turn out to have citizenship of that country themselves, even if they were born elsewhere.  If you believe this may be the case for you, contact your nearest consulate and find out who is considered a citizen.   An EU passport in addition to that of your home country might prove VERY valuable in the coming years.

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morningsun76 wrote:

As a UK citizen, aren't you also now considered an EU citizen?  That would allow you the freedom to go anywhere in Europe to live that you pleased.

FYI: The Free Movement of Workers program means that citizens of any EU country can live and work in any of the following countries:

Austria
Belgium
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Ireland
Italy
Luxembourg
The Netherlands
Portugal
Spain
Sweden
United Kingdom

And, to some degree, the new member states:

Cyprus
Czech Republic
Estonia
Hungary
Latvia
Lithuania
Malta
Poland
Slovakia
Slovenia

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morningsun76 wrote:

As a UK citizen, aren't you also now considered an EU citizen?  That would allow you the freedom to go anywhere in Europe to live that you pleased.

Yes that's true, and as Neomatrix pointed out I can live and work in most european countries, which is definitely something else I would consider. There are many european countries, particularly some of the smaller islands, that are probably never going to become Big Brother states, or at least not in the same way as the UK and USA are becoming.

Personally I just feel like I want to get away from Europe altogether. I feel very drawn to South America for some reason (unlimited Ayahuasca perhaps? wink). Most South American countries are not without their problems, either political, economical, or both. However I think I would feel safer there than in the USA, UK or most of Europe.

Another thing I'm seriously looking into is to go PT (perpetual traveller). I'll be posting a bit more on this subject soon, because I'm learning quite a bit about it, and it's a lifestyle that I think a lot of people here might be interested in.

If you're PT you don't have to worry about visas and you generally don't pay any taxes either big_smile

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Re: Canada?

Hey all,

Born and raised in Canada, live in the US now (8 years)

Just my 2 cents, Canada can be a good place to live, but mostly I think not. There may not be as much big brother stuff there, but the system is heavy and felt more disinformation occurs there.

Taxes way heavier!!!!

Political representation big drain too many mainly because of size not population.

More rules/laws that restrict than the US.

Health care system, not what it's cracked up to be.

Gasoline just shy of $4/gallon.Cigarettes and alcohol more expensive too.

Education MAY be cheaper, but not as many so really not as open to the masses as portrayed.

Just some basic thoughts.

Peace,
Teddy

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Re: Canada?

Ayahuasca wrote:

If you're PT you don't have to worry about visas and you generally don't pay any taxes either big_smile

I've also thought about living that kind of lifestyle. Just pulling the plugs of the system out as completely as possible. Do all business online, keep funds in offshore tax-free accounts, and move around at will. Definitely something I need to learn more about, but the key--either way--is to establish a successful online business first.

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