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Topic: A few questions about Spiritual and Middle east political matters

Dear Friends
kind regards
It has been along time since I have posted on this forum due to busy work schedule.
I have a few questions and I was hoping that learned minds could answer them.
1. What are your views and knowledge on the "luminous light balls" that are seen in places like Glastonbury?
Apparently these "luminous light balls" appear to be alive.
Some people like Cariel Quinly state that they are "The Shining ones" returning to show us the light body and the Multi-dimensional form.
However they may just be Human souls as apparently the soul is a luminous ball of light.
Here is a link about this issue.
http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/enigm … rkaba.html
2. How many souls are there in existance?
Obviously on this Earth there are 6 billion souls but I'd like to know how many there are in existance.
I think that God created 12 billion souls altogether.
Jesus Christ had 12 disciples, there are 12 tribes of Judah, there are 12 strands of DNA, 12 star signs and I think that God made 12 billion souls.
However you may be able to confirm or add something different.
3. Do you believe that the vast majority of Souls on Earth today are mature in the highest sense of the word or did they come from other less mature places?
I don't believe that the vast majority of Souls on Earth are mature-they have come from other places and the population boom proves that.
I think that alot of souls are new to this planet and are easier for the NWO overlords to control in certain ways and means because they are new to how this World works.
4. What is your knowledge and views on the late General Yasser Arafat?
Arafat was depicted as a villain by the US and Israel in the media but he seemed to have an impossible task as the statesman of the opressed Palistinians.
5. What is the significence of Arafats death to the middle east peace process?
6. Do you believe that the Palistinians deserve a state?
If you could kindly answer all of these questions I'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
John

2 (edited by lyra 2004-11-21 21:55:44)

Re: A few questions about Spiritual and Middle east political matters

Hi Moralman,

Moralman wrote:

1. What are your views and knowledge on the "luminous light balls" that are seen in places like Glastonbury?

Possible 4th or 6th density technology, responsible for creating the crop circles.


Moralman wrote:

2. How many souls are there in existance?

Couldn't even begin to guess on that one!  Although I have wondered it myself.  There's no way for anybody to ever know.


Moralman wrote:

3. Do you believe that the vast majority of Souls on Earth today are mature in the highest sense of the word or did they come from other less mature places?

Again, there's no way for any of us to know where people's souls come from. Although I will venture as far as to say that I believe that there are souls which are both native and non-native to the planet Earth;  souls that are young and new to this planet, souls that are "old" and who are "coming back in" from higher densities, purposely choosing to put themselves back in 3rd despite having already "graduated" from it before, so that they may take part in these times.  Then there's the OP theory, which has to do with 2nd density group souls incarnating into 3rd density human bodies.  We have ourselves a huge melting pot, basically.   And that's what really causes a lot of problems I think, because we all wear the same "outer wear", ie, human body, but the souls inhabiting the "costume" come from all over the place and are at all stages of evolution.



Moralman wrote:

4. What is your knowledge and views on the late General Yasser Arafat?  Arafat was depicted as a villain by the US and Israel in the media but he seemed to have an impossible task as the statesman of the opressed Palistinians.

I think that like everything else, Arafat's death was all a part of the program. It was not random.  He died on 11/11, at 3:30 (33) p.m.   The numbers alone show some higher design going on, some "bigger meaning."   People like Goro Adachi and Ellie Crystal are good at picking  out the symbolisms that surround us in our reality, the way things connect, which indicates that there's something much bigger than us and outside of time happening.  This world is like a program, a ride, an illusion.


Moralman wrote:

5. What is the significence of Arafats death to the middle east peace process?

See above answer.  We can't know the greater meaning, only that there is one.


Moralman wrote:

6. Do you believe that the Palistinians deserve a state?

I believe that Israel needs to calm the **** down, leave them alone, back off, give them their land and just let it go.  But they can't / won't do that.   The government of Israel is carrying on the way the Nazis carried on back during WWII. Keeping the Palestinians under house arrest, building a giant wall, taking away their quality of living, causing them to live in poverty and squalor.  Sounds very Germany-esque, eh?    Interesting the way the cycle comes full circle, and how the former victims are now the predators.  The C's commented on this, btw.  There is some huge karmic "thing" transpiring right now in the Middle East, a program that's running its course, and there's pretty much nothing anybody can do about it.  The souls who are there are playing out their roles because they need to learn something.  Think of it as a video game.   Something that came to mind was that 1983 movie "War Games" with Matthew Broderick.  "Do you want to play a game?"  The computer in charge of launching the nuclear missiles takes over itself and begins the countdown sequence to launch the missiles and begin WWIII.  NORAD gets all the way to Defcon 4 or 5 I believe, but just before the computer launches it runs through all probable scenarios of what a nuclear attack would entail.  It then "learns" or "realizes" that it's a lose-lose situation  and that there would be no survivors.  So there's no point.   It ends the missile launch.   This is the same thing I see going on with this karmic drama mess in the Middle East right now.  All the souls that are over there partaking in this mess, for both sides, are in it because they obviously need to learn something from it, something they haven't figured out yet.   Many of the current Israelis were supposedly the German Nazis last time around and many of the former Jews are now the current Palestinians.   The cycle keeps going and going, everybody switching roles, trying on different parts...all possible scenarios are being played out.  But there's going to come a moment, either in this life or in the next ones, where the lightbulb goes off and they all realize.  All this warring, fighting, killing, drama, in the name of religious idealism is b.s.   It's not real, and it's not worth it.  So there's no point.  Lesson learned.

They just haven't gotten to that point yet.  But they will.

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Re: A few questions about Spiritual and Middle east political matters

I believe that Israel needs to calm the **** down, leave them alone, back off, give them their land and just let it go.  But they can't / won't do that.   The government of Israel is carrying on the way the Nazis carried on back during WWII. Keeping the Palestinians under house arrest, building a giant wall, taking away their quality of living, causing them to live in poverty and squalor.  Sounds very Germany-esque, eh?    Interesting the way the cycle comes full circle, and how the former victims are now the predators.  The C's commented on this, btw.  There is some huge karmic "thing" transpiring right now in the Middle East, a program that's running its course, and there's pretty much nothing anybody can do about it.  The souls who are there are playing out their roles because they need to learn something.  Think of it as a video game.   Something that came to mind was that 1983 movie "War Games" with Matthew Broderick.  "Do you want to play a game?"  The computer in charge of launching the nuclear missiles takes over itself and begins the countdown sequence to launch the missiles and begin WWIII.  NORAD gets all the way to Defcon 4 or 5 I believe, but just before the computer launches it runs through all probable scenarios of what a nuclear attack would entail.  It then "learns" or "realizes" that it's a lose-lose situation  and that there would be no survivors.  So there's no point.   It ends the missile launch.   This is the same thing I see going on with this karmic drama mess in the Middle East right now.  All the souls that are over there partaking in this mess, for both sides, are in it because they obviously need to learn something from it, something they haven't figured out yet.   Many of the current Israelis were supposedly the German Nazis last time around and many of the former Jews are now the current Palestinians.   The cycle keeps going and going, everybody switching roles, trying on different parts...all possible scenarios are being played out.  But there's going to come a moment, either in this life or in the next ones, where the lightbulb goes off and they all realize.  All this warring, fighting, killing, drama, in the name of religious idealism is b.s.   It's not real, and it's not worth it.  So there's no point.  Lesson learned.

They just haven't gotten to that point yet.  But they will.

Yes, Yes, yes, and YES !
right on! lyra your words reflect what i believe as well. especially this part;

All the souls that are over there partaking in this mess, for both sides, are in it because they obviously need to learn something from it, something they haven't figured out yet.   Many of the current Israelis were supposedly the German Nazis last time around and many of the former Jews are now the current Palestinians.   The cycle keeps going and going, everybody switching roles, trying on different parts...all possible scenarios are being played out.

this is exactly what i think reincarnation is about. or how it works i should say. you go from one side to the other, over and over, all the while you are bullding up a preference, either STO or STS, while u keep jumping from one end of the spectrum to the other. this is the only way i can see a soul would find its way to its orientation.

i like to say;

what the mind forgets, the soul remembers.

2. How many souls are there in existance?
Obviously on this Earth there are 6 billion souls but I'd like to know how many there are in existance.
I think that God created 12 billion souls altogether.
Jesus Christ had 12 disciples, there are 12 tribes of Judah, there are 12 strands of DNA, 12 star signs and I think that God made 12 billion souls.
However you may be able to confirm or add something different.

ive pondered this questions as well, a few times at least.
its a very tricky question, especially because our Souls are very intangible, we have created this veil of illusion that doesnt let us see the Soul very clearly, we only get glimpses of it and feel it inside of us.

I would venture as far as to say this;
There is only ONE SOUL in existance.
our own Souls can be considered a mere fragmentation or fraction of that ONE SOUL. Realize that our existance is based of illusory fragmentations and seperations from the source, physical existance is marked by seperation. thus, numbers only mean so much....

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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Re: A few questions about Spiritual and Middle east political matters

Dear Friends
kind regards
Thank you for your comments.
I would like to see further responses to my thread subject as these are questions that everyone on this forum should at least attempt.
I agree that Israel needs to back off and leave the Palistinians.
Its interesting that apparently alot of the present souls occupying Jewish DNA were Nazi's last time out and the Palistinians are the persecuted Jews of WW2.
According a very good re-incarnation website Bin Laden's soul was a past life incarnation of Charles Gordon who now fights for the other side.
Gordon apparently did express sympathy for the Sudan in the end which is perhaps why he reincated into Bin Laden to be their hero.
Apparently Ariel Sharon is the reincarnation of Napoleon 3 who was the French leader of an Anti-semitic government.
Here is the information about these Soul re-incarnations.
http://www.johnadams.net/cases/samples/ … tml#sharon
I would still like to know where Hitlers soul is presently residing.
Perhaps the Souls who are Palistinian are being urged to fight back against their opressors.
I would still like to know how many Souls are in existance and I don't believe that we are one collective soul regardless of who states that.
Some souls are good and some souls are evil............even Montalk himself stated that individual souls are different.
Some people call evil souls are immature and less developed however in no way shape or form are they the same Soul as the righteous.
There is no similarity between Joseph Stalin and Mother Theresa-they are different souls and one was for the good and the other was for the evil.
I talked with Montalk via email and he once stated that during the 2012 changes that this World will have more mature, advanced and good souls on Earth as opposed to the immature, ill-advanced and evil souls.
Other websites on this issue have stated something similar.........
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~boyne/scott2/ETSouls.html
I personally think that the ideals of both sides are backward.
I don't believe that Arafats regime was as brutal or oppressive as other Islamic states though.
Zionism is very much like Nazism in its essence.
Anymore views or information would be helpful.
If more people could contribute to this thread and answer the questions I'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
John

Re: A few questions about Spiritual and Middle east political matters

zonabi wrote:

  Yes, Yes, yes, and YES !
right on! lyra your words reflect what i believe as well......this is exactly what i think reincarnation is about. or how it works i should say. you go from one side to the other, over and over, all the while you are bullding up a preference, either STO or STS, while u keep jumping from one end of the spectrum to the other. this is the only way i can see a soul would find its way to its orientation.

i like to say;

what the mind forgets, the soul remembers.

I'm glad you liked my ideas. smile  It's true though, what you wrote.  I truly believe that's how it works.  You can't know what team you're going to bat for until you've tried on both uniforms.  big_smile    I believe that ALL STO souls out there have at one point been to the bottom of the well, have toyed with the dark side at one point and had many a negative incarnation that involved killing, exploiting and selfish self serving manipulation.   Some souls learn from this and change and wind up going 180 degrees in the opposite direction.  Others don't, or else take a lot longer to make that change.  But in order to make that conscious choice towards a positive, STO existance I believe it takes having personal knowledge of the darkside and having been to the pits of hell and back.  To choose good and the determination to stay on the positive track usually requires motivation. What better motivator than personal experience in dabbling with the darkside and seeing it for what it is.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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I would still like to know how many Souls are in existance and I don't believe that we are one collective soul regardless of who states that.

it seems you didnt catch my point here- what am i trying to state is that perhaps you try to take things a bit too literal, and that causes you to oversee the oneness or beauty of creation.
To try and put a number on the total amount of Souls in existance?

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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Re: A few questions about Spiritual and Middle east political matters

Moralman wrote:

I would still like to know how many Souls are in existance and I don't believe that we are one collective soul regardless of who states that.

Well, you can beLIEve what you want, but do you really think that anyone here knows the answer to your question? How many stars are there in the sky? You want to go and count them all? I don't! For the sake of my sanity, I'll just assume that there's an infinite amount of them, and then go on to something easier like counting the blades of grass in a football field. If we are not ultimately one collective soul, then you are implying that something exists outside of God. Is that possible?

Moralman wrote:

Some people call evil souls are immature and less developed however in no way shape or form are they the same Soul as the righteous.

Spiritual bigotry? What makes you, as an aspect of the Whole, any better than any other aspect?

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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Dear Neomatrix
kind regards
I still think that there is a Father God.
We are all individual to a degree-David Icke even states that in his books.
We may all be the same to a degree but we are individuals.
One man is different to the next man and Souls are the same.
Is a persecuted WW2 Jew going to believe that Hitler and Schindler are the same?
Of course not because one was a persecuter and the other was a liberator-they are not the same.
Perhaps I got my wordings wrong.
We may all be collective Souls but we are still individuals and are not the same.
Even Montalk stated that Souls are at different levels of evolution so therefore there are differences.
There is no superiority involved as far as I am concerned.
Righteous souls and Immature souls should reside in different places and I think that changes if the future will probably make that happen.
I certainly hope so.........
Don't you believe in a good person and a bad person?
Most people on this website says that we are one and the same-OK we may have similarities but its the same as a Zionist Jew and a Torah true Jew.........they may be Jewish but they are not the same in attitude and they don't want to be associated with each other.
I am not an expert on these subjects and thats why I ask questions.
yours thankfully
John

Re: A few questions about Spiritual and Middle east political matters

Moralman,

Neo had a good point though, which I was wondering myself, which is -  how come you think that we at Noble Realms would have an answer to "how many souls are there in existance" ??    I mean, how would we know something like that?   You ask a lot of unanswerable questions, like "I want to know where Hitler's soul is" and stuff about Mike Tyson, and things that NO person anywhere would have any way of knowing.   That could be why you don't get as many responses as you would hope. You're asking the unanswerable....and seriously expecting answers.  Like we're all going to come on here and be like, "Oh, well **I** happen to know there's exactly 7.154 billion souls in existance right now...."  "Well ***I** believe there's only 10 billion, and exactly 6.472 billion are incarnated right now as we speak and the remainder are waiting in the wings...."    It's the unanswerable.  This is a messageboard, full of regular people...not an oracle!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: A few questions about Spiritual and Middle east political matters

Dear Lyra
kind regards
Perhaps someone at Noble realms might know how many souls are in existance but seeing as though every living source apparently has a soul that is unanswerable.
Still someone may know..............if they don't know the answer then they should say so and then answer the other questions that they may know the answer to.
People can give their opinions or a concrete answer but nonetheless both are answers although the latter of the two is more appreciated but both are valued.
How do you know that people don't know where Hitlers soul is presently residing or how Mike Tysons soul helped him destroy opponents in the ring?
Someone may have the answers to these questions but then again they might not.
I can understand your point of view though and thank you for trying to correct me.
I am a regular person too which is why I sincerely value the knowledge and opinions of people on this forum.
Hopefully more people will attempt to answer my six questions.
yours thankfully
John

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lyra wrote:

You're asking the unanswerable....and seriously expecting answers.

Or he could just be taking the piss, which is what I'm starting to suspect most of the time.

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Moralman wrote:

Perhaps someone at Noble realms might know how many souls are in existance but seeing as though every living source apparently has a soul that is unanswerable.

I've got a question for you. Why does it matter how many souls there are? What's your reason for asking? Maybe there are 7 billion souls, maybe there's 60 billion souls, or a billion billion souls, or maybe there's an infinite number of souls. But what difference does it make anyway?

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maybe hes just trying to collect data.

thats what i was trying to tell Moralman, that he is being too literal, too concerned with numbers (data)

his numerical posts with questions lined up time and time again point to some kind of automation.

no hard feelings though Moralman, i dont mean to impose on you or your ways at all.

all the best
z

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

14 (edited by Moralman 2004-11-23 09:51:47)

Re: A few questions about Spiritual and Middle east political matters

Dear Friends
kind regards
I would like to respond to the following people.
Ayahuasca..........
It doesn't matter whether there is a number as to how many souls there are or if there is an infinite number of souls.
I just thought that someone may have an answer or at least take a guess.
I can assure you that I am not here to take the mickey out of Noble realm members by asking such a question.
I just thought that there might be a numerical answer as to how many human souls there are as apparently most humans have reincarnated at least 100 times.
If that is the case then the possibillity of there being a definate number of Souls are a possibillity.
Perhaps the number is infinite but maybe I should have left that question out.
With the reaction I have gotten I shouldn't have asked the question-I certainly wouldn't of asked question no.2 if I thought that I was going to puzzle or put people off of coming into my thread subjects to answer or give opinions on questions that I would like to see answers to and/or opinions on.
I have always perceived this forum as a place where the possibillity of getting concrete answers or at least more advanced knowledge was pretty good.
I am a learner and thats why I come onto this forum.
Perhaps you could kindly take time out of your busy schedule to answer or give your opinions on the six questions.
Zonabi.........
I am not collecting data.
I am trying to gain as much knowledge as I can on issues.
My number questions are thought up and I genuinely like to know peoples answers and opinions.
The opinion of three people on this forum on question no.2 of this thread was that it was an unanswerable question-thats an opinion and I'll know not to ask questions like that again.
Yours thankfully
John

15 (edited by Neomatrix 2004-11-23 12:52:13)

Re: A few questions about Spiritual and Middle east political matters

Moralman wrote:

We are all individual to a degree-David Icke even states that in his books.

No one is saying that souls are not individual. Let's take a look at that word, though: Individual. The root of the word "Individual" being the word "Divide". We are all ultimately one Soul, one Whole, one Source, one Prime Creator, one God, one One that divided into fragments. After that division, those fragments were free to explore their own individuated nature as they saw fit, which is what we are all doing here. So, although we are separate, we are also irrevocably a part of a Whole. We are one, and we are many. This is the paradox of being.

Moralman wrote:

One man is different to the next man and Souls are the same.
Is a persecuted WW2 Jew going to believe that Hitler and Schindler are the same?

I sense here that you are confusing the term "soul" with the term "personality" or "ego". They are not the same thing. The soul is the energetic essence that contains all memories of the current incarnation's lifespan. The ego/personality is a temporary construct used only whilst here in physical reality. Much of this personality is so colored over by genetic commands and material desires that it is impossible to identify the essence living within. Don't confuse the role with the actor.

Moralman wrote:

Righteous souls and Immature souls should reside in different places and I think that changes if the future will probably make that happen.

Righteous souls? But, who gets to pick who is righteous and who is not?

Moralman wrote:

Don't you believe in a good person and a bad person?

Absolutely not. Consider the following phrase: "There is no good. There is no evil. There is only expression." It might lead to a real awakening within you.

Moralman wrote:

It doesn't matter whether there is a number as to how many souls there are or if there is an infinite number of souls.
I just thought that someone may have an answer or at least take a guess.

I think only God would know the answer to that question. You guessed at 12 billion. I think that number leaves an awful lot of animals without a soul, if we are describing the word "soul" as meaning "energetic essence". Then there's the rest of the universe to consider. And what about parallel dimensions and higher densities? I'm sure there are plenty of other life forms out there with a soul. Let's just take a guess and say there are an infinite amount, give or take a googleplex.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe