Re: Mind-Control: Sexual Fantasies
how bout skinner and all his vietnam flashbacks!? classic.
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how bout skinner and all his vietnam flashbacks!? classic.
My only advise: If someone finds themselves having unsavory sexual thoughts and fantasies which make them feel guilty afterwards, then make a conscious intent that it stop, and declare that it's not you.
Hi Lyra. What is an unsavory sexual thought? Everybody looks at life with a different prism. It is like asking what is right and what is wrong? Do we have any absolute moral code? What I considered unsavory could be your greatest pleasure and viceversa.
Also, if a person feels guilty is it because it was wrong to do it? Or, was he taught or brainwashed to believe that? Feeling guilty is a strong emotion (Good, Good Loosh). So feeling guilty does not prove that it is wrong.......It only proves that deep in a person's brain there are thoughts that make them follow that path. Wether it was programmed in their brain or they really feel that way due to their upbringing I do not know. All I know is that things are not as simple as you are describing them. I hope you do not take this offensively...................These are just my thoughts.
When I read this I just sighed. But here goes.....
Hi Lyra. What is an unsavory sexual thought?
Whatever you personally feel is "unsavory." The definition varies from person to person.
Everybody looks at life with a different prism.
Yes. I believe this too. Which is what I was intending when I wrote my post, as you will see in my above comment.
It is like asking what is right and what is wrong? Do we have any absolute moral code? What I considered unsavory could be your greatest pleasure and viceversa.
We're both on the same page, only, I think you may not realize it.
Also, if a person feels guilty is it because it was wrong to do it? Or, was he taught or brainwashed to believe that?
People feel guilty for any number of reasons. It varies from person to person.
Feeling guilty is a strong emotion (Good, Good Loosh). So feeling guilty does not prove that it is wrong.......It only proves that deep in a person's brain there are thoughts that make them follow that path. Wether it was programmed in their brain or they really feel that way due to their upbringing I do not know. All I know is that things are not as simple as you are describing them.
Um, okay. (?) sigh. To be honest, I don't really know what we're even arguing about here. I made a decision to not post to the forum anymore for the time being; You probably didn't know about that because I see that you've gone and quoted me / responded to me in several threads today, as if anticipating a response. I came here today with the intention of "read only", but saw your post, so, here I am, back from the dead, so to speak. And honestly, I don't know if it's *me*, or if your post is kind of screw ball, it could be a little of both, because I am truly confused, at a loss to how my post could have been so misconstrued. Just total confusion going on here. I just don't have any drive to try to rectify this situation, and try to explain / re-word things so they'll make more sense to you, etc. I don't have any energy for it right now, I don't know why this is, but, it is. I'm like, forcing things here, and just not mentally "into it", if that makes sense. So with that said, it's back out the door I go....! You don't have to respond, because I'm not going to be around to post.
I do not doubt that manipulation occurs in the realm of sexuality.
But do not think that the only goal is to make people hypersexual; causing people to shun their sexuality is just as effective a means of control.
Sexual energy is meant to be used, and when used with a partner that is willing to be open with it, can be very very powerful.
I myself have succumbed to strange fantasies, however I have found that the more I fought it, the worse they became. When I was given a more healthy choice I found that I more than willingly relinquished my fantasies for something that was real.
I strongly feel that the opportunity to express myself sexually with a woman without overtones of control, fear, or guilt, will be one of the most valuable keys to ascension that I will find, and am looking forward to a partner who feels the same way. .
Hey Tenet,
I went back and re-read this thread because I thought it was already mentioned...but it wasn't so I agree with you hypersexuality isn't the only goal, causing people to shun their sexuality is just as effective a means of control.
Both really become the extremes on this line, both become an unhealthy pre-occupation, one with "I am a shameful person for liking this or being so good at pleasing some one, I must be vile." The other an addiction akin to "when can I get my next fix," the thought of a loss of control where the persons own release of energy is paramount to the exchange of energy that happens with the other person.
What ever path for expression I have taken I have found that STS entities try to get me to confuse my decision. I can at times be in an almost hyper sexual state with my wife and only focussed on her. Then I can be guilty because of wanting it so much or giving in and looking at an occassional porn.
Only by accepting those attitudes/reactions/actions as mine do the feelings and the control/distraction they are trying to exert lessen.
Just some thoughts.
All of us have had a number of sexual fantasies at one time or another. Excluding children, dead people, unwilling people and animals I say go ahead and do it IF IT FEELS RIGHT............. Now, if it bothers you or a feelling of guilt possesses you then the following question must be asked.......WHY? The reasons can range from upbringing, a sense of inadequacy and/or programming. As far as I am concern sex was meant to be enjoyed. As long as you have two willing individuals agreeing to perform a specific fantasy of theirs I see no problem with it. Yet, if the idea or thoughts of this fantasy are so overwhelming that it consumes you then you must find out what is driving those feelings/thoughts. Be safe.
Wilhelm Reich wrote a book in the 1920's or 30's called "The Function of the Orgasm" which offers some interesting insight into this subject. Its been a while since I read the book but I'll try to be accurate.
Reich was a highly respected contemporary of Freud and won many acollades worldwide until he went against TPTB that promoted Hitler. Freud fell into line so his reputation survived, Reich was vilanized.
You can take all the physical compounds that humans are composed of and mix them together and all you will get is mud. Reich explained the existence of sentience and animation of inanimate matter through a life force he called orgones which is the energy that animates us. We exist in a sea of orgones and collect the energy within our bodies. We are sort of like a TV set or CRT monitor that build static charges as energy goes through them. We collect excess static orgones. An orgasm is like degaussing a monitor which makes the picture clearer until another charge builds up. Reich actually did rigorous laboratory energetic measurments to back up his theories.
Reich goes on to explain that from birth we are manipulated into being unable to achieve orgasm easily through the introduction of sexual morals by those who control society. Society restricts which behavior is acceptable and which isn't. Among many other damaging phenomena, pornography only takes us partly to orgasm but doesn't release all the excess energy. When we don't achieve orgasm excess orgones continue building up in our bodies and create confusion / frustration and indecision making us pliable to external mind manipulation.
In the book Reich documents many psychological case studies showing the destructive results. He and Freud communicated frequently on this subject. I think we can all likely testify how sexual frustration (excess orgones) can make us act without reason at times. The level of frustration within society today is scary to say the least.
Reich's reputation was destroyed to stop his ideas from becoming common knowledge. This is a book worth reading. The level of conditioning we are exposed to from birth keeps us from seeing the truth.
opeteroo- that is most interesting info- had no idea Reich ventured into that area of study.
Did he assert the orgasm was the only "true release" for excess orgone?
Did he assert the orgasm was the only "true release" for excess orgone?
He didn't mention any alternatives and went to great lengths to demonstrate that orgasm was more than just a reward for procreation.
I think we'd be hard pressed to argue that the sex drive is not one of the main forces that drive us. I may be reading some of my own words into Reich's work but I got the idea that sex and orgasm was mainly about creating meaningful bonds between people. The wham... bam... thank you mam of today doesn't fit the bill.
Survival is about people getting along and caring for each other and orgasm is a just reward for creating close connections. Sex on this level dwells in life energy. The sexual gymnastics promoted today block this energy and lead to conflict and death.
Yeah, opeteroo, I was gonna say it must be more than just the orgasm itself, but rather the orgasm combined with the type/quality of energies behind it. I mean, there's a world of difference between orgasms, depending on the energy and mindset of those involved.
Which got me thinking, does this perhaps mean 2 people involved in procreation with the "wrong" type of energies may actually be combining *negative* energies into .... the procreated!? This would explain some of the scum I encounter daily..heh..
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