Topic: "We've got a back-door-draft goin on in America today." - Kerry

He just said it. Plain as day out of his mouth.

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Re: "We've got a back-door-draft goin on in America today." - Kerry

What's sad is that they can pretty much say whatever they want (and Bush usually does.....)  and nobody cares.  Nobody's listening.   The lights are on but nobody's home with the general public it seems.

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3 (edited by Atlantis 2004-10-01 01:39:02)

Re: "We've got a back-door-draft goin on in America today." - Kerry

The draft is also an attempting measure to prevent a fast organizing conscious public of young people which is able to sabotage the NWO in America and the rest of the world in a smart peaceful way.

When young people are in government service, they're much easier to be monitored end have less time to think.


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Despite Internet and newspaper reports that it is not true, the government is quietly finalizing legislation that will re-impose the draft for men and women between the ages of eighteen and twenty-six. The draft could begin as early as June, 2005. There is already an agreement with devious Canada call the "Smart Border Declaration" that would prevent draft dodgers from crossing over. All Americans with children should speak up about this, and write to their Congressmen and Senators. Ultimately, the government will use a "bait and switch" with the public and ask if the use of foreign troops or even robotical/cyborgs can be acceptable for the military instead of children.

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Re: "We've got a back-door-draft goin on in America today." - Kerry

http://www.nodraft.info/qa.html

How do we know a new draft is in the works?

Nationwide, long-dormant draft boards – local committees that decide who must fight and who is exempted -- have been quietly reactivated and restaffed (Lindorff, "Oiling Up the Draft Machine," Salon.com, Nov. 3, 2003). The Selective Service says it is is prepared to call up soldiers within 193 days after a draft is launched.
A consensus behind conscription is building on Capitol Hill. Senators Chuck Hagel (R-Neb) and Joseph Biden (D-Del), chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, are among many prominent politicians suddenly calling for a "national debate" on the draft (Washington Post, Apr. 22, 2004).Open supporters of the draft include Sen. Ernest Hollings (D-SC) and Reps.Charles Rangel (D-NY), Nydia Velazsquez (D-NY), and Pete Stark (D-Cal). Even retired General Wesley Clark says a draft is necessary. (The Hill, July 2004)

HR 163 and S 89, Democrat-sponsored bills to restore conscription, are quietly working their way through committee. Reportedly, Republicans are ready to sign on as soon as they get the nod from the Bush administration (The Hill, Oct. 7, 2003).

Op-eds and columns openly arguing for the draft are beginning to appear in influential publications (see, e.g., "Why We Need the Draft Back," Washington Post (July 1, 2004), by former ass't sec'y of defense Noel Koch).

Why do powerful elites and politicians want to reinstate the draft?


Right now the US military is bogged down in Iraq, fighting a brutal war of attrition that has stretched the 1.4-million strong, all-volunteer military to the limit. The Army has 10 active-duty divisions; nine of these are either in Iraq or Afghanistan, have just returned, or are about to be deployed there ("Troop Supply Getting Thin," AP, Apr. 29, 2004). Hundreds of US soldiers are killed or wounded every month. Tours are being extended and enlistments prolonged. Troops are even being transferred to Iraq from strategically critical US bases in South Korea. The Pentagon's Defense Policy Board has concluded that current troop strength is inadequate for current and future needs (Fin. Times Sept. 26, 2004).

While conceding that the Iraq war has been a military and political disaster, the US power elite -- ranging from George Bush, to the New York Times editorial board, to Presidential candidate John Kerry -- agrees that we must "stay the course" in Iraq. In plain language, that means crushing resistance to the occupation. To subdue a population that wants us to leave, (Financial Times, May 20, 2004), and is willing to fight for independence, will require many more troops -- as many as 500,000, according to some Pentagon estimates (McGovern, "Calling for Backup," TomPaine.com, May 7, 2004).

Meanwhile, under cover of the "war on terror," the US has greatly increased its worldwide military presence during the past two years: 176,000 troops are now deployed in military bases and "peacekeeping operations" overseas (Raleigh News & Observer, Mar. 28, 2004).

Official US policy now calls for waging "pre-emptive war" and effecting "regime change" wherever threats to American power and security are perceived (National Security Strategy of the U.S.A., Sept. 2002). Any new war -- with or without an escalation of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan -- would require many thousands of new soldiers. No President will tolerate an inability to wage war as and where he sees fit.

It's not hard to connect the dots. The logic of current US foreign policy, which is globally aggressive, requires more "boots on the ground." Enlistment is barely sufficient to maintain current troop levels. Only draftees can fill the gap.

If powerful people support the draft, why isn't it happening already?
It's an election year, and the draft is volatile issue. That's why the Bush administration continues to maintain that current troop levels are sufficient, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Once the election's over, however, a swift, powerful bipartisan push to reintroduce conscription can be anticipated.

Will it make any difference if the Democrats win in November?


Probably not. John Kerry, a member of the hawkish Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), supports escalating the war in Iraq and calls for enhancing US military presence worldwide. As a former war hero and Vietnam protester, Kerry would be a far more effective advocate for conscription than Bush. Though Kerry has said he would not call for a renewed draft, as President he would be subject to the same military logic as Bush -- he cannot sustain globally aggressive policies without finding the bodies.

Kerry calls military service "the highest form of national service." Not coincidentally, a proposal for universal "National Service" is available on his campaign web site. Significantly, the proposal closely resembles a recent DLC blueprint (Magee, From Selective Service to National Service: A Blueprint for Citizenship and Security in the 21st Century, 2003) that antidraft advocates see as a steath plan for staged reintroduction of conscription.

Kerry's proposal does not mention a military draft -- yet -- but it appears to makes financial aid for college contingent on two years' national service beginning at the age of 18. Incenting youth to join the armed forces is manifestly the heart of the initiative. Even without a draft as such, Kerry's program represents a massive militarization of young men and women that provides ample opportunities for indoctrination, along with near-coercive incentives to join up.

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Re: "We've got a back-door-draft goin on in America today." - Kerry

Kerry wrote:

"We've got a back-door-draft goin on in America today."

Xenopope wrote:

He just said it. Plain as day out of his mouth.

Hi all!

I began watching the debate last night, mostly because I wanted to witness first hand when one of them didn't mince their words well enough and they spit out the truth. Bush is notorious for this.

I only got through a bit of it, mostly because my mate didn't want to view it, "They're both liars" he says... but I wanted to see the lies (and not because I could be swayed by them).

Actually, I didn't mind putting on a movie instead because I had already been put off my "game", encited and saddened, when Kerry said something to the effect of "... we've got to find these terrorists and kill them!". Kill them? Kill them? What about putting their bad asses on trial and jailing them like other murderers?  Is the death penalty without due process acceptable recourse in International Justice? It's not in this country... and yet, Kerry stood there and advocated it. And he did so with visible conviction. BAH! They've both done it. A lot of people think this way, and it makes me sick to my stomach. It's an uncivil civilization we live in. BAH!

We ended up watching "Minority Report" (we own it).  As the movie was starting my mate turned to me and said, "You know, this is what Bush wants, this is really what Homeland Security is all about." Well, in so many words as his, that thought had never occured to me.

Thanks for sharing this Xenopope, were there any other "truths" expressed by them that you noticed?

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Re: "We've got a back-door-draft goin on in America today." - Kerry

i thought it was hilarious when bush said;

"i know how this world works"

hahaha. you know how the world works, or you know how you want the world to work, huh baby bush  ?

or perhaps hes talking about the global empire of greedy companies which he thinks constitutes the world.

sorry my post doesnt relate to the thread's original post...

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Re: "We've got a back-door-draft goin on in America today." - Kerry

zonabi wrote:

i thought it was hilarious when bush said;

"i know how this world works"

hahaha. you know how the world works, or you know how you want the world to work, huh baby bush  ?

haha ya I saw that. Then in this whiny, childish voice he says something like, "I have a solomn duty to protect the lives of the American people."

Ater that my dad goes - 'Na-nana-Na-nana-Na-na' It was hilarious.

I am as is Void.

Re: "We've got a back-door-draft goin on in America today." - Kerry

I didn't see the debates last night but I heard that Bush performed horribly, fumbling over his words and slouching, et cetera. A couple people compared it to Nixon vs. Kennedy in 1960, where Kennedy's image was everything.

I find it odd that Bush performed worse in this debate than in the 2000 debate. I think it's another part of Bush being set up to take a fall and lose the election. Lots of people see Bush being easily reelected [strange, I wrote 'represented' here instead of reelected at first by accident. Is my subconscious telling me something?] but I could see the Powers That Be intending to put Kerry and Edwards into office.

9 (edited by seeker 2004-10-13 07:56:04)

Re: "We've got a back-door-draft goin on in America today." - Kerry

Hey guys, good news: The House bill introduced last year for a draft was totally shot down yesterday. Only two people voted in favor of it. This gives me hope that if another bill like this is introduced in the next couple years it shouldn't have a chance at all.

10 (edited by lyra 2004-10-13 08:38:49)

Re: "We've got a back-door-draft goin on in America today." - Kerry

seeker wrote:

Hey guys, good news: The House bill introduced last year for a draft was totally shot down yesterday. Only two people voted in favor of it. This gives me hope that if another bill like this is introduced in the next couple years it shouldn't have a chance at all.

Unless they're just waiting until after the election, to lull us into a false sense of security.  I don't trust this one bit.  They went through so much effort to get all their local draft board offices staffed up, (so I read)....why would they do that if they knew that there was a chance it would be shot down and then those offices / employees wouldn't be needed?

I just don't trust this is all I can say.  Look at the history behind other subversive stuff they've tried to push on us.  When something gets shot down outright, then historically, they revert to covert means to "slip it in."   Or, they revert to tricky clever "problem-reaction-solution" scenarios to get what they want.   So a direct, overt Congressional bill was voted down.   Now all that means is they will try one of the other two covert tactics just mentioned.  But it ain't over, not by a long shot.

(btw, the link you supplied requires people to be a member to view the story.)

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Re: "We've got a back-door-draft goin on in America today." - Kerry

Those online newspapers requiring login will keep track of every article you read.   Most of the time I've kind of given up on the privacy struggle, but for online news there's usually still plenty of alternative sources not requring login. 

Anyway lyra's right, all it takes is one incident and they'll pass the draft again faster than you blink.  That's what they did with the Patriot Act. after 9/11.

Re: "We've got a back-door-draft goin on in America today." - Kerry

I had a friend who was arrested for DWI and possession of a small amount of pot. The judge gave him a choice of joining the military or going to prison. He's now scheduled to go to Iraq.

Makes me wonder if they will stepping up on this kind of thing. The police could crackdown on certain areas of crime where in the past they were lenient. Too many parking tickets? Your butt is going to Iraq.

Stephen

Re: "We've got a back-door-draft goin on in America today." - Kerry

When you want to read an article on a site that requires registration, you can use BugMeNot for a name and password.

Regarding the draft, I think they're just trying to get everybody worked up over the idea of a conventional wartime draft in order to make the domestic draft seem much nicer by comparison. When the actual draft happens, it will be domestic security and economic infrastructure that the 18-34 year-olds will be assigned to protect. You'll be forced to wear army fatigues and guard a shopping center, or if you have computer skills you'll have to monitor library databases to look for suspicious patrons--things like that. Everyone will breathe a sigh of relief because it will seem so much better to spy on your neighbors for a few hours a week than to be shipped off to some foreign country with a rifle in hand. Those of us who complain will be told "it's not that bad" because it's better than the alternative.

--Justin

Re: "We've got a back-door-draft goin on in America today." - Kerry

Stephen M wrote:

I had a friend who was arrested for DWI and possession of a small amount of pot. The judge gave him a choice of joining the military or going to prison. He's now scheduled to go to Iraq.

Makes me wonder if they will stepping up on this kind of thing. The police could crackdown on certain areas of crime where in the past they were lenient. Too many parking tickets? Your butt is going to Iraq.

Stephen


Oh my!

Wow....good point here.  Had no idea this was happening.  Quite an eye opener.  Yikes.  Now THAT"S the kind of clever tricky covert subversive ways they could use to start implementing the "draft."   Yeah, the draft was shot down by Congress....but here's "the other way" in which it can still be put out there, right under our noses, thinly disguised.

The prison population thing seems to be at a "crisis point" anyway, from what I've been reading over the past few years.   The United States supposedly has the largest number of people incarcerated.   Now, how convenient is that?   Those that aren't funnelled off to prison can now be funnelled into the military because of "prison overcrowding."   Clever clever.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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