Topic: Trendy spiritualism 'breeds unhappiness'

Young people who embrace trendy, self-focused spiritualism are more anxious and depressed than those who believe in God or reject religion altogether, a survey shows.

A major Queensland study of 21-year olds suggests that the shift away from traditional religious beliefs to new-age religions is not making young adults happier.

The survey quizzed 3,705 people on their beliefs in God, higher powers other than God, as well as their church-going habits and other behaviours.

Young adults with a belief in a spiritual or higher power other than God were at more risk of poorer mental health and deviant social behaviour than those who rejected these beliefs, said study author Dr Rosemary Aird, a population health researcher at the University of Queensland.

Young men who held non-traditional religious views were at twice the risk of being more anxious and depressed than those with traditional beliefs.

"This study suggests that new forms of religiosity demand further research attention to understand the extent that religious change is linked to population mental health and social behaviour among younger generations," Dr Aird said.

The research is believed to be the first in Australia to examine young adults' religious and spiritual thoughts, behaviour and feelings.

Dr Aird found only eight per cent of young adults attended church once a week, a trend linked to lower rates of antisocial behaviour among young men, but not females.

She said individualism was the common thread in the shift away from traditional religious thoughts to non-religious spirituality.

"This focus on self fulfillment and improvement over others' wellbeing could undermine a person's mental health with many people feeling more isolated, less healthy and having poorer relationships," Dr Aird said.

She said so-called new spirituality promotes the idea that self-transformation will lead to a positive and constructive change in self and society.

"But there is a contradiction," Dr Aird said.

"How can one change society if one is focused on oneself?"

From http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=368589

I'd still much prefer to be living in a raw way and being 'unhappy and depressed' rather than goofed up on anti-depressants, singing praise songs and being just another sheep, more susceptible to modern day mind control. Not that I'm depressed, but I wonder how this study determined if people were happy or not.

Vincit omnia Veritas: Truth conquers all.

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They forget to mention the whole "Love is the only truth" thing. Thats going to be why Mr Aird thinks there is a contradiction. You're right though matt, I bet there are a load of holes in their data collection methods for something like that.

"I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me, and following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been."

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There is so much wrong with that study that I can't be bothered to cover it all, but one thing that stands out to me: what exactly do they mean by "trendy spiritualism"? That could be anything - a dabble in ouija boards and tarot cards, a belief in the law of attraction, an interest in the paranormal. It's not like you can draw a line and divide things into "orthodox religion" vs. "everything else". It's far too simplistic. Also, does not participating in traditional religion mean that you don't believe in God? Um, don't think so. It could mean that religion made you disillusioned so you began to search for God elsewhere.

I used to think it was a shame that religious beliefs among young people were dying out, because at least that would have given their lives some kind of higher vision than the mindless hedonism and superficial crowd-following that today's youth indulge in. However, more recently I've realised that most of the young believers ARE just sheep, abiding by their religion because it's been imposed on them by mummy and daddy and, you know, they don't wanna go to hell or anything. They haven't truly put any thought into existential matters.

Getting back to this study, another thought I had was that those who look to alternative ideologies and practices for answers are most likely to be the very people who are already feeling discontent and unhappy with their lives. If they were satisfied with traditional religion and so-called normal society, perhaps they wouldn't be exploring "trendy spiritualism" and all this alternative stuff in the first place. Hey, if we NR members were content with normal life, happy to go along with society and be part of the herd, would we be here looking for answers? No. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that the "trendy spiritualism" may not be the cause of their unhappiness, but rather that they are already unhappy and are looking for solutions in unconventional places. The fact that doing these things has not brought them happiness does not mean that going back to religion would solve their problems, either.

Something else that bugs me is the quote "How can one change society if one is focused on oneself?" Apparently some people think that an interest in personal development or spiritual growth is selfish. I guess it depends on the individual's intentions, but I do think that if anyone is seriously hoping to change society or the world for the better, they should start by working on themselves. Spiritual growth doesn't have to mean meditating in isolation 24/7 at the expense of everything else - it can just be trying to improve yourself so that you're better equipped to help others, can't it? The above quote doesn't take this into account.

This whole topic could also lead to deeper questions about how to define happiness, which Matt kind of touched on in his post. I have a theory that the majority of people are not truly happy on the inside, despite appearances - most of them have existential questions & doubts which they haven't found answers to, or they think that satisfaction is just around the corner if only they can accumulate more material wealth, or they just feel that true happiness eludes them somehow. I think all this relates to Buddhism and the whole "life is suffering" thing... I can tell I'm going way off on a tangent though, so yeah. I suppose the bottom line is: happiness comes from YOU, not from your religion or any other alternative philosophies.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

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"Small fish swim in schools; the Great White shark swims alone"
~~carefulcarpenter

Peer pressure in social situations is the greatest factor which predicts evil behavior. How many wars have been supported by groups of people  lacking individual autonomy and the willingness to question authority?  Imagine if compliance was replaced with resistance in the midst of great Crusades or Jihads.

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To know love is to know trust; to know oneself is to know truth
~~carefulcarpenter


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What do they really mean by self-focused spiritualism? Is it New Age? Or being practicing spirituality? Because before I practiced spirituality, I was a confused, depress person who also had a confusion of beliefs and atheism and such. Spirituality greatly improved my physical/emotional/ect. health. Because of that - I'm not going to have a religion, no sir. Inaccurate systematics of beliefs that usually contradicts with my knowledge. It's better to strengthen self to the truth rather be ignorant to the truth. This reminds me: Ignorance is bliss.

For me.. Truth over happiness...

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Questioning what's not meant to be questioned in the eyes of the 'PTB' is once again labeled. This time it shall be called...

POORER MENTAL HEALTH!

People are comfy in their puffy heavens.

"There cannot be progress without expression. There cannot be expression without separation. There cannot be separation without progress."-Ouroboros

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This study reminds me of the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed."  Perhaps the "unhappiness" being reported is the effect of younger people actually finding the truth.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

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The people who declare,? "But Why?" " What if?"  have always been considered the misfit. Is the "unexamined life" worth living?  I can't speak for others but the "examined life" is what makes life worthwhile.  Self examination is not the same as self indulgence. For me, examining the "why" is a religious pursuit of sorts without the dogma.  I don't want to have a label of "believer/non-believer." 
Trendy spiritualism doesn't breed unhappiness; asking the tough questions of life does, because you rub up against people who don't like their comfort zone rattled.  It really is easier to go with the flow for the sake of getting along, but in the long run who suffers?

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Thats FINE with ME. I will choose to be depressed and miserable rather than believe in a fairy tell. Im going to hell for saying that oh no. F_U_C_K YOU Religion

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Right on, Dreamosis.

"There cannot be progress without expression. There cannot be expression without separation. There cannot be separation without progress."-Ouroboros

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http://forum.noblerealms.org/pics/1014_futile.jpg

I guess if I had to choose living next door to a Southern Baptist or a hostile person who cursed a lot I'd choose the Baptist.  Atheism is very trendy but the freethinkers I know don't do a lot of cussing.  Hatred only fuels the pro-apocolyptic movement and that makes me unhappy.

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That kind of survey is mind control for simpletons, planted in the popular press to neatly re- inforce popular ignorant stereotypes.  Daisy pointed out most everything that was wrong with it.  It is so utterly lacking in every respect that it simply could not have been an honest scientific attempt at 'discovery'.  Surely 'their' pop science cannot endure much longer. They will have to get real or they will be out of a job soon.

To find the spirit is also to clearly see it's distorted forms.  The difference between this and THAT becomes more obvious, not just in the external world but within self.  When the soul finds spirit it finds it's own internal environment more disturbing because it is seen for what it is.  Finding spirit, the soul then cannot remain at ease in the lower vibration of the old self.  The soul is less and less comfortable in the old patterns of consciousness.  But not without spiritual respite.  Spirit plays hide and seek alluring the soul to come up higher (in vibration).... to rise above the negative contents of the subconscious by transmuting it.  That can be somewhat of a tumultuous time as the real is separated from the unreal in consciousness.  It is the tribulation.... a time of troubles.... but it will come to an end so long as we embrace our redeemer..... the inner- spirit of the higher- Self.  And follow it's lead in all things.

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Do you believe "New Agey" movements are causing mental harm, or rather that those who have experienced some degree of life-changing psychological states (depression, psychosis) are seeking out things "outside the box"? What came first, the chicken or the egg?
Also, "trendy spiritualism" may be referring to The Secret, etc. It's not exactly clear on what these "fringe walkers" are reading, yet the Law of Attraction can reap some definite dead-ends without the Law of Service.
Haha, I love that quote "How can one change society if one is focused on oneself?"
Well, one can change society with an extreme focus on oneself...think most politicians. This paradoxical conclusion falls flat once you inflate it.
Spiritual change and awareness must be grounded in the world, in your relationships, in how you speak, feel and act. To borrow from my limited understanding of Steiner, it's through the synthesis of Ahriman and Lucifer that one arrives upon the Christ.
However, it does mention some key points: that this can lead to isolation, poorer relationships, etc. Yet perhaps this is a lesson in patience and acceptance, and eventually, a catalyst to seek out those of similar resonance in more meaningful relationships.

"Don't eat any wooden nickels."

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Yeah. The people most likely to turn to new age religions and spiritualism are the ones who have discovered the truths about the world and religion. So rather than it being their pursuit of spiritualism that makes them depressed, it is their discovery of the truth. That survey also does have tons of flaws with it to begin with. Many people become happier after they discover the truth and take on a more spiritual way of life. If they are truly spiritual then they will take responsibility for their life. They will eat nutritious food, exercise, settle issues inside of themselves, and find others on or close to their same wavelength to socialize with. Going about regular everyday life, holding negative attitudes towards life, and then going on the internet to read about spirituality isn't what spirituality is about. I think spirituality is about finding clarity and peace of mind.

Strengthen your microcosm. Love. Knowledge. Faith.
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Some great awareness here at NR!

Don't take this study too personally; trendy is a word similar to compliant, and I don't see much compliance around NR.  I have met numerous spiritual people who like following the trends; I wouldn't call these people fringe truth-seekers.  They very much want to fit into a group structure  with paradigms that fits a commonly identifiable meme, and ones that validate them at their current level of consciousness. Seeking unknown truths is uncomfortable and irritating to someone who identifies with "trends". Trend followers need trend setters; not people who challenge them to think for themselves.


" 'Meme' broken down into its main essential components is 'me' 'me' "
~~carefulcarpenter

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To know love is to know trust; to know oneself is to know truth
~~carefulcarpenter


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