Topic: The Bible: Territoriality?

Obviously, atleast to me, Western mainstream religion texts advocate the idea of prostration before and faith in authority, especially that which cannot be seen, thus strengthening the idea, but is it accurate to say that these same religious texts also suggest nationalism or territoriality? I have not studied any of the main religious texts recently or in much detail in the past, so I am not really qualified to say.

If the answer is Yes, then some Uni work has helped identified a very powerful and important method of control.

"I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me, and following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been."

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The Bible can be a method of a control or it can be a powerful method to free your self it depends on your beliefs . Why do you think it promotes nationalism and territoriality? Nothing wrong with those things .

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I agree with PoN's first point.

I also think for some their interpreation is manipulated and does promote territoriality and nationalism(which in and of itself isn't wrong) and tends to be taken to the extreme of others becoming centred out for the star on their belly(Dr. Seuss) which leads to the exclusion unless...

BUT not all that use the Bible or whatever texts will see it the same. As PoN gets at it's up to you.

Peace,
Teddy

"It means the Matrix can't tell you who you are" - Trinity

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I never said the Bible does promote nationalism and territoriality, I was just theorising that since it teaches acceptance of authority, if it also teaches territoriality and nationalism, then you've got a perfect formula for materialism and segregation. The idea of nationalism, as far as I can tell, is a cause for war and strife. What you are about to read is contestable, as it simply my opinion put together from what I have read.

Governments, some more than others, try to create homogeneous communities, that is, people who are all the same nationality, for various reasons and using various legitimations, but put simply, the more homogeneous a populace, the easier they are to control. A population, however, will always be fragmented, for no one 100% the same (ignore clone armies for the moment).

This is why 'imagined communities' are created, that being a notion of an nationality that comes to mind. If I say I'm British, what does that make you think of? Classic reponses are: cups of tea, cricket, 'I say old chap' cockney accents, fish and chips, Big Ben, Tony Blair, rain, Mary Poppins, and whatever else you happen to associate with Britain.

The point is, its a stereotype, and people will think of the world through these stereotypes unless they have actual knowledge to prove otherwise. The main usage, however, is that no person will ever meet every person in his community or nation, and so the better this 'imagined community' works on a person, the more 'homogeneous' they will be. By homogeneous, I mean they fit in with the other ideal citizens. These 'ideal' citizens are cast in a mold created by the government, not neccessarily for nefarious purposes, but it is a form of control to be aware of nonetheless.

Whole histories can be created to enlist people into a new social group (eg Scotland doesn't have a Celtic past, and kilts have only been around in force since the 1800s), and this social group will be more bonded the stronger its history behind it. Such a history is what can be called culture; shared myths and legends, cuisine, ideals, enemies and landscape. The things emphasised between people are their similarities, but also their difference to other groups of people.

The more people that buy into an imagined community, the more rallying power a government has. Such things can be resisted, but its amazing how many people accept such things. Simply put, nationalism is a mechanism of the state to get the people to support it. When this has been achieved, a 'nation-state' has come into existence, a much more powerful force than just a nation (a collective peoples, which could be based on any similarity they bear) or simply a state (a national entity regarded by other states that has access to money and resources to support military, media, education etc).

A state, by the nature of the 3rd density, will stake a claim to land for resources and building space. A Nation-State has the interests of a state, but also memories of place attached to the land, so it has the cultural attachment aswell. These memories of place can be created or invoked, while less useful ones forgotten. This is achieved through everyday reminders, these being landmarks (like war memorials), stories in the media, government policies and TV shows. The language of government and media is also of note, personal collective words eg we, us, our nation.

So, this galvanising of people into a nation-state living on a particular territory creates separation, because around every territory is its border, keeping everyone else who is different outside. Anyone inside who does not belong there is out of place and consequently will be a victim of bigotry in some form, often from the media (eg British newspapers accusing 'asylum seekers of credit card fraud) and government (eg 'We are stepping up our nation's security against islamic terrorists, but they could be anybody, so be suspicious of your neighbours, especially if they have black skin or a turban') which then transfers to the nationlist population. The bigotry is done by repeating broad, sweeping generalisations that the public hears. When a person hears something enough times, they start to believe it, unless they know better.

So in reponse to your question, I believe Nation-States use nationalism (through a coherent population marginalising outsiders)
to create segregation between humans as a global whole, but in small, controllable units. Nation-States use territoriality to keep people rooted firmly on 3rd density issues, with huge emphasis on materiality deflecting peoples time and energy over spirituality. From Plato we learn that behaviour of a collective reflects the hearts of the individual, so if the nation cares so much about land, then individuals will care about material wealth.

This will eventually change when the NWO decides it is time for the dissolution of the concept of Nation-State (its demise has been a popular concept of discussion for years, as it is threatened by TNCs and emerging global consciousness, its just most of the authors have probably never heard of half the stuff talked about on NR and are, for lack of a better term, still drones to the system) to a global facist police state. This will presumably be after the death of a large percentage of the population in whatever way that happens. They will achieve the facist state in one of 3 ways:

1) Force
2) Another appeal to nationalism for the survivors, then segregating those who join from those who resist. The resistance will then easily be picked up by the thought police, or whoever.
3) A cunning combination of 1 & 2

In conclusion, if the Bible and other mainstream religious texts do suggest territoriality and nationalism, then they are not only training their unawakened followers not only to accept authority, but to create segregation and strife needed between controllable units of people to prevent a global awakening and consciousness for long enough until everything else goes down and the Illuminati plan comes full circle and is complete.

"I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me, and following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been."

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Everbright,

This is a good read for you if you haven't seen this already

http://reluctant-messenger.com/biblical-corruption.htm

The bible were individual books which underwent significant alteration many times.  The most signficiant one is when constantine institutionalized Christianity.  Now we don't know what was in the bible originally.

John 10:34

Jesus answered, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, you are gods'?

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It's quite evident, isn't it, Everbright? Ask yourself: what plays on people's lower egoistic drives? The idea of superiority: Us vs. Them, Good vs. Evil, the Chosen vs. the Common Man. We have the Aryans claiming divine status, the Jews claiming divine status, etc. Now consider the epic struggle of the Jews, Messianic Prophecy, and Zionism: they've been struggling for thousands of years and now, they have returned to the Holy Land, believing the coming of the Messiah is imminent. Consider the Christians and their belief in the imminent Anti-Christ and Second Coming, how this aspect could and most likely will conflict with the coming of the Jewish Messiah; a messiah will come, the Jews will accept him, the Christians will call him the Anti-Christ, etc. Not to mention the idea of the Kingdom of God/New Jerusalem.

"There cannot be progress without expression. There cannot be expression without separation. There cannot be separation without progress."-Ouroboros

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Hermit Brad wrote:

It's quite evident, isn't it, Everbright? Ask yourself: what plays on people's lower egoistic drives? The idea of superiority: Us vs. Them, Good vs. Evil, the Chosen vs. the Common Man. We have the Aryans claiming divine status, the Jews claiming divine status, etc. Now consider the epic struggle of the Jews, Messianic Prophecy, and Zionism: they've been struggling for thousands of years and now, they have returned to the Holy Land, believing the coming of the Messiah is imminent. Consider the Christians and their belief in the imminent Anti-Christ and Second Coming, how this aspect could and most likely will conflict with the coming of the Jewish Messiah; a messiah will come, the Jews will accept him, the Christians will call him the Anti-Christ, etc. Not to mention the idea of the Kingdom of God/New Jerusalem.

From the Gospel of Saint Thomas

(21) Mary said to Jesus, "Whom are your disciples like?"
He said, "They are like children who have settled in a field which is not theirs. When the owners of the field come, they will say, 'Let us have back our field.' They (will) undress in their presence in order to let them have back their field and to give it back to them. Therefore I say, if the owner of a house knows that the thief is coming, he will begin his vigil before he comes and will not let him dig through into his house of his domain to carry away his goods. You, then, be on your guard against the world. Arm yourselves with great strength lest the robbers find a way to come to you, for the difficulty which you expect will (surely) materialize. Let there be among you a man of understanding. When the grain ripened, he came quickly with his sickle in his hand and reaped it. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."

I believe Jesus left us an answer to both issues: the second coming of Christ, and the arrival of the anti-Christ.

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