A Question About Aliens (Page 1 of 2)

Right, the funny thing is that because the alien subject is still regarded as fringe, the majority of people won't even contemplate the possibility of alien deception. It's not worth their time to contemplate something they don't believe is real. Therefore their ears are shut during all the years when preparation and education would matter most to offset such a deception. They'll  stay willfully ignorant until the very day the "final solution" is implemented and world governments openly admit that aliens are indeed real. This sudden revelation would shock mass consciousness into a momentary hypnotic trance, making people highly suggestible due to their desperation for answers, stability, and further guidance from authority. Then the propaganda "blitzkrieg" goes into effect, converting minds by the millions - ironically the same minds who just months earlier would not give discussions on aliens the time of day. If a large enough majority can be converted, then the minority who are awake and see through this baloney can be overpowered, probably by being branded and persecuted as xenophobic terrorists who dare keep mankind from its destined salvation by advanced alien races who just might be our creators.

That's one possible scenario. But I know from personal experience that when one becomes sufficiently aware of some impending alien/military/hyper-D scheme, that threat tends to evaporate due to rapidly diminishing probabilities of success. So yeah, it would be a positive thing if more people became open and educated on the alien presence, as that might just head it off.

Being open is a double-edged sword though... on the one hand it is a prerequisite for studying the methods of manipulation, but it could make one just as susceptible to the alien propaganda that would otherwise be scoffed at. There's this precarious phase in between awakening to the reality of aliens and becoming sufficiently educated in the subject. If some of these manipulator aliens come from our own future, then that suggests portions of mankind will be suckered in order to later become them in the first place, so it might not be an all-or-nothing event, but rather a splitting of destinies between those who go with them and those who retain their spiritual sovereignty.

Check out http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/recordi … manity.php

It has the video clips, plus an audio clip on inter-dependency that's really quite remarkable. Spread the word to willing listeners.

"It is emphasized that each of us has been sent into the world at this time to deal with the reality of the world at this time.
"It is about activitating the very greater purpose that has brought you into the world... The only way you can do this is by recognizing the great needs of the world,  that will call it out of you. Because we cannot call it out of ourselves, just like you can't lift yourself up by the ears. You cannot call your greater spiritual purpose out of yourself; it has to be called out of you, and the world calls it out of you, circumstances of the world, the condition of the world." - Marshall Vian Summers.
Something is going to ignite us, sometime in this life.

I'm a little confused on the alien presence issue. I've recently read Steven Greer's book Hidden Truth - Forbidden Knowledge. He states that the aliens he's encountered are basically good, and that the government is responsible for the abductions, cattle mutilations, hiding technology and basically all the negative things we associate with aliens.
This is in contrast to Marshall Summers' The Allies of Humanity view that the only good aliens are the ones that leave us alone, and that humanity is being set up for an alien takeover in the near future.
So which is it?

I agree with Lono, some groups are positive and some factions are negative. Greer does not admit to the possibility that there are negative aliens, and resorts to false logic, selective evidence, and name-calling to rationalize his view.

But let's say there are negative aliens also. Then we must find the proper criteria to distinguish between negative and positive, which is more difficult than first appears. If I told you that a particular alien group was concerned about our environment, willing to help us attain psychic and healing powers, help us with free energy technologies, advocate transcendental meditation to help your consciousness operate on their higher level, and promote peace and kindness to your neighbors -- would you say this group is positive or negative?

The answer is that these things do not prove the group is positive. In fact, they fit very well within the negative alien agenda. The difference between positive and negative aliens is not about one being peaceful and the other hostile. At that level of intelligence and evolutionary advancement, psychological and spiritual manipulation is more effective a weapon than violence. Their aggression would make us resist, but manipulation would make us desire them. Big difference. It's just like with people -- can you identify a criminal just by whether he looks tough and shady? Of course not. There are con-artists and sociopaths, and politicians too, who are very charming and say all the right things, but only as means toward their own selfish ends, and it fools most of the people most of the time. And so it is with negative aliens who pretend to be positive.

So the question of how to distinguish between positive aliens and negative impostors, that is the real question, and curiously it's the one question all the people who are playing into the alien agenda refuse to address. Why? Because that question shines the spotlight on the lynchpin of the whole alien deception. What the negative impostors have done is so cleverly engineered and tailored to the typical psychological flaws of the human mind, that unless you have your own personal experience, intuition, and critical reasoning to show you the seams in their projected image, you will most likely be fooled by it.

On the bright side, once you do know how to distinguish positive groups from impostors, and once you properly prioritize the things that truly matter (like retaining your freewill, having discernment and wisdom, seeing the bigger picture, living from the heart without abandoning your reasoning abilities...) then it becomes very easy to see through the alien agenda and spot where it manifests. And it is manifesting all over the place now, so vastly that it boggles the mind to comprehend just how widespread, slick, and desperate the disinfo operation has become. Stay tuned for an upcoming article laying all this out.

I agree on this too, the fact that they are showing their positivity thru 'warnings to humanity', says that they are polarized beings also.  The safest bet would be to envision them similiar in thoughts and feelings to humans.  I conclude this because they, even though it could be a deception, are showing compassion towards humanity.

Perhaps the work of Marshall Summers should be looked at closer, to try and decipher it as one would say 'between the lines' or perhaps thru metaphorical views by looking at the document from a bigger picture.

We don't know what the level of intelligence is on the planet of the supposed allies of humanity.  Perhaps the ones that are observing us are a military intelligence ran by high ranking government operatives of their world and the rest of society is well trapped on their planet as we are here.  They might be much more advanced in technology than earthers but that doesn't put them at higher spiritual level of consciousness.  It is however a possibility.

That depends on whether there are treaties between our governments and them.  We as a people don't know what goes on behind the curtains of our governments.  We can only suspect. There are many whisle blowers but they could be a part of the alien agenda aswell.  If they wanted us destroyed they would have done so a long time ago. They need to reduce the population thru subtle techniques which are being implemented thru our governments (chem trails, vaccinations, controlled viruses, religious wars).  I bet that they are already controlling the top ranking government officials.

I agree totally.  I'm also looking forward to the article.

Peace, PhiConcept.

Within these groups of "negative" and "positive" aliens (and the term "alien" can become misleading as reptilians, for example, have been inhabitants of Earth for possibly as long as humans), there are strange alliances. Defections. There is feuding. There are disagreements on "how things should be run."

As far as negative alien interference, there are definite and probably clearly defined rules for engagement with humans. A very old reptilian, one who works for the synagogue of satan, once told me, "We do not kill." I'm not certain if this was true only in terms of me personally or humans in general. This statement does not seem to preclude individuals of these related factions from attempting to engineer fatal car accidents and the like among dissident hybrids and humans, poison, spread drugs and disease within certain sectors of the population, drive individuals to suicide due to subtle external manipulations and pressures resulting in depression, or in extreme cases overt psychic assault. I've seen what happens when these nebulous rules of conduct are breached and punishment is generally meted out by their own kind, their own people. 

It seems most alien interference in human lives has to do with some form of permission being granted, either by the signing away of certain rights as part of some form of scientific or military service agreement, the acceptance of imagined (and temporary) gifts of power, wealth, or influence contingent upon service, or by simply saying "I do" without first learning what church, in the broader sense, the potentially non-human being in question belongs to.

It's a lot more complex than simply an "alien agenda." Discussion of Biblical things isn't fashionable these days and this is a part of an "agenda" not merely of negative alien entities, but of darkness in general. It's about principalities and powers, of dominions, of which humans, terrestrial non-humans, hybrids, and "aliens" are a part. It always has been. How could it not be so? Earth was once satan's throne-world. It is where he was tossed after a really bizarre, ill-advised, and totally unsuccessful rebellion into the highest heaven.

Of course, there are those alien factions clinging to an agenda, still engaged in mindsets of domination and control, of binding humans and hybrids in the dark, but this seems to be an old way of being the world will not long support. I know of one alien cult leader feverently championing the re-establishment of a lost pre-Flood utopia, a New Atlantis. I once heard another reptilian say, and in all seriousness, "The war is just beginning." And I thought, "You are so retarded." Some non-human beings are here simply to experience Earth, to see what all the fuss is about. These are non-humans not involved in any discussion of an "alien agenda" but visiting or incarnated here for all sorts of reasons. They enrich and subtly shape the fabric of life on Earth just by their passing through. These beings look just as human as you and I, and they are professors at your universities, standing next to you in line at the grocery store, or playing with their children next to yours at the neighborhood park. I've met them.  Some of them are, unfortunately, leaders and officials of satanic cults given to darkness. They hold well-paying day jobs and are far above suspicion due to the fact that they are renowned in their fields for their contributions to society and for their charitable works. Because some non-humans are fine adepts at displaying a full range of human emotion, from joy to sadness, yet actually feeling none of these, there would seem to be no clear way to recognize or define a non-human's intentions without observing their actions closely, evaluating their so-called gifts, listening to them speak, and then deciding if their company is enriching your life experience, or not, an acting accordingly. It's been my experience that the ones given to darkness will always give themselves away anyway out a strange sense of pride, otherworldly hatred, or in order to prove their alleged might before their thralls and minions.

Ok -The Alien Agenda and the Ethics of Contact – transcript of the 2006 MUFON Symposium - as linked on Montalks site as a starting point and combining this with all the available angles that seem to be converging to a common point and agenda with increasing urgency it seems. I would like to get some feedback from Tom and the good people of NR as to what they are expecting in the near future (the future is upon us it seems) and what they would do - how they would react to the particular unfolding scenario.  I have quoted a snippet of the transcript:

http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/mufon20 … ontact.php

Ok here goes from my point of view :-
It seems, using this transcript as a starting point, that this ties in completely with the so-called alien invasion theory that Reagan was alluding to and preparing us for -in other words - We have been invaded already- how far back who knows and especially if history has been timeline manipulated (4th dimensional beings /reptilian races/greys and various humanoid types). All available material points to the fact that we have been covertly manipulated for many years - this is of course old news round here.
All abductions are bad in my view as they defy freewill and are beyond invasive and disturbing and by simple deduction show that the abductors have their own agenda and show us  how easily dispensable we are.
Therefore no matter how much it is said that it is for our own good and that we need intervention because we are too spiritually immature to handle our own destiny, I don't buy it. Not that we don't have problems no less with the vast geographically indifferent portion of the planet that seems populated with what some here describe as organic portals or I tend to see as animal oversoul fragments that were promoted to human incarnations ahead of schedule for reasons unkown. Or empty vessels of a kind to make up the numbers.
All of the chanelling/contact stuff on the internet revolves around correcting our errors whether they be financial, religious, technological or spiritual. All of that seems great at first in the sense of rejoining some great galactic community at a more mutually interactive even level. Problem of course is that once the ball is set rolling in undoing our ants nest then are we actually progressing somewhere or have we just handed our destiny over to beings of questionable spiritual development (albeit with impressive technological sophistication). Maybe we never needed any of this new stuff to achieve what we as higher beings set out to achieve in the first place, but in our slumbering stupor we are looking to anyone with a nice light saber and gravity defying disc to show us the way out of the darkness.

Ok going by all of the above with this transcript and the governments star wars preparedness are we to distrust everything we see from now on and see it all as an overt invasion no matter what olive branches and technological treats we are offered by any publically manifesting alien beings. This all ties in with the supposed Blue Beam fake alien invasion that as recently as the Fulford material we are being warned by the Chinese that an alien invasion is very likely on the illuminati -last bid for total domain - cards.
So what is disinfo and what rings true? If Blue Beam is disinfo as is the alien agenda of creator beings returning to assist us then If we are suspicious, reticent or downright aggressive to all incoming beings then are we not just helping the current e.t. residents already here to maintain their hold over us? On the other hand if we see the craft in the sky as being here to liberate us then do we not open up ourselves to final lockdown and manipulation with consent.

I do not place a high value on the ability of most people to discern, let alone think straight with mobile phones glued to their temples while swilling Fluoride-a Cola. With tests like Fire the Grid done just to see our readiness for future saviours and quick-fix environmental champions no matter where they come from or what their long term agendas are, I think it is now fairly safe to assume that a large proportion of the public is looking or virtually  begging for that quick fix right now and will not give it any more thought than the wave of good feelings that flow over them at the thought of being saved and uplifted by these mighty magicians. Vote Yes - ponder and consequences later - like in the past.

My own humble opinions are that we are doing ok or better and better with the blunt tools that we have got and all of this cataclysmic, HAARP, Scalar etc. induced fear and panic (DOOM!) proves that we are on the right path and they are desperate to prevent the unpreventable at any means and at this moment any mass alien landings and intervention would only serve to distract and neutralise what we are achieving (no doubt we didn't do this alone anyway, there are many unseen hands, beings and souls behind the scenes). There is no doubt a struggle for dominance on this plane and others that we don't consciously paricipate in but I believe our higher selves or other aspects are fully engaged in so we are essentially already helping ourselves out of this tangle and should be most wary of any beings offering us a lift off this world to safer ground and the offering of new containers or body suits that are perfect and genetically modified for our future well-being. This would be the version of ascension that they would most benefit from. Any being that tries to play God with others should be held in utmost contempt and viewed with absolute suspicion in my opinion anyway.

That all said..........if there are genuine good beings with only our highest hopes, dreams and ambitions at heart, that are offering us a small leg up and are there also to even things up a bit in the Rep/Grey manipulation stakes, would we be able to tell the difference. I don't just mean the enlightened ones out there but as a planetary whole. What do you think the masses will do and also what will you do?