Topic: The Lucifer Project

hey guys...
i just recieved an email that really got me thinking about this thing - the Lucifer Project (Cassini-Huygens) ran by NASA.  my gut tells me this is a true possibility...  and thanks be to the universe that i have you fellows to turn to and get some alternate vantage points and maybe even better clues to help me find out how realistic this thing is.

here's a link, i urge anyone that this resonates with to read it and post your first impressions: 

http://www.rinf.com/news/nov05/lucifer-project.html


or.. if you've done any research into the subject already, post your opinions and findings ;]

peace til next we meet
tao

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Re: The Lucifer Project

"When a new species is discovered, the primary objective is to poke it with a stick, and observe carefully it's reaction"

They seem intent on destroying the entire solar system.

NASA needs to leave shit ALONE.

                                                               J

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hmmm... I'm no nuclear physicist, but I intuit a problem of scale in the whole idea.

Also, it proceeds from the assumption that stars are gravity-compression-driven fusion reactors. Certainly a popular opinion, but one that is the subject of some debate. http://www.holoscience.com/

That said if it were feasable (feasible?) or in any case fusible, it would surely rank high in the top 10 of worst human ideas ever.

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That said if it were feasable (feasible?) or in any case fusible
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That hit a funny bone!  Onto the subject brought up by Tao Jones, I just do not see how all the possible negative effects can be foreseen.  It certainly would be a bold endeavor.

Is Saturn only what many people see it as being?

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"Is Saturn only what many people see it as being?"
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that's precisely a question that must be answered in order to determine if it's worth the risk... 

it's obviously a bold endeavor, but it currently would seem that it's an endeavor that has already been tested out and attempted on Jupiter... 

do i believe it's possible to be successful?  yes.  am i wrong?  maybe...

just seems (keyword: seems) worth digging deeper into it...  the next 9/11, but on an unimaginable scale.

~tao~

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My view is that if we don't know enough to know if it would work, then we certainly can't forsee possible results far enough to know that it wouldn't be a "disastrous success".

Amongst the material on the holoscience site (or in linked material, don't remember now), there is the hypothesis that saturn might have been a dwarf star, and our sun "stole it's thunder"... this all according to a model wherein stars are z-pinches in cosmic plasma, and not nuclear furnaces.

In that particular case the project would be reduced to interplanetary toxic waste dumping, nothing more.  Either way the idea sounds to me like one that needs to go back to the drawing board, or perhaps even for a refreshing holiday on a quiet lake, before any moves get made.

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This all seems to crazy to contemplate. A little worried was I reading that link, thinking of comets dropping from the heavens at super sonic speeds enough to crash through my skull and end my existance as I know it. I walked downstairs to see the BBC doing a little piece about meteor showers and debris at speeds of 130,000 mph. Now I feel better, phew. A copper helmet will not be enough to save my life this time.

But don't worry, I have a plan. For only the cost of a flight to Afganistan and a Turban, you can enroll on a 6-month Taliban Training Program (TTP). I have a website, which I can't reveal, which details the TTP. Now you're thinking why the hell is Mahatma talking about the TTP? Well let me continue friends. With the TTP you will be sheltered in the remote mountain caves of Tora Bora! The only place on earth, spare a few underground bases, where you shall be safe from meteors the size of basketballs. PM me for more details.

And don't forget your Koran!

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don't forget the set of 100 free "undisclosed location" postcards with every enrollment and free courier service for packets addressed to al jazeera ;-)

Love is the law, love under will.
   
     Zejith Themis
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i truly do not understand why this thread didnt get more hits...  i want to discuss this... anyone? 

come on guys, let's dig in ;]

reason being:  if this has any truth to it, all of our lives could change forever in less than a year.  i would just hate to see something like this happen because no one thought it possible enough to ernestly consider it.

maybe im an idiot, but something about this really hits me hard.

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Well I doubt very much this Project will happen as described. IF it would be possible to detonate Saturn in July of 2008 it would be the "safest" time to do it as Saturn and Earth will be on opposite sides of the sun and about as far apart from each other as they can get. (assuming a circular orbit which is just a simple model.) Earth will be moving behind the sun from Saturn's view so any "fallout" or radiation would go into the sun. Go here and you can see the solar system positions for any time you want. Fun stuff.
http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Solar

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thanks for the link, book! 
but it looks like earth WILL be in saturn's possible line of fire all throughout june and july 2008.

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You could post it again later somewhere else, like general discussion.  There is a view consistent with the people who studied Edgar Cayce that the reason we are here in the first place, is because as Souls which is the record for every thought, word or deed done by each individual with Free Will, we became hopelessly immersed in matter because we deviated from being mere observers of Creation or cooperative participators, to engaging in our own creations and then subsequently becoming immersed or lost within them. 

I guess we simply love to participate in creation.  I've seen Saturn, aka Hera and Anshar.  A star is more than a planet, so we would be giving Saturn a better quality.  I believe I've also seen Binah associated with Saturn.  I think that I've seen YHWH associated with Binah.  The source of that, I believe, was trying to show that YHWH was a subordinate god, because Chokmah; Keter; Ain; Ain Soph; Ain Soph Aur; are all higher.  Now, I can't remember, but JHVH I believe was the same as YHWH.  These are all pretty much unqualified statements.  I will show source if anyone is upset by the above. 

Victa Jacet Virtus.  I bet if they actually carry out this endeavor, you will have the elite going to their underground bunkers.

Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement.
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13 (edited by Falvion 2007-08-27 12:04:44)

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Every time I think I've seen the pinnacle of mankind's arrogance, something like this shows up to astound me again.

I mean, really. When are we going to learn that everything is alive in some form or other? Just because a thing, a person or even a planet doesn't fit our arbitrary assumptions of what a living, aware--and maybe even intelligent--being should be, doesn't mean we have the right to interfere with it or change it to suit us. Yet we do so continually with only the shallowest thought given to what the consequences might be, if any.

I'm no scientist, so I really don't know if igniting Saturn is actually possible. If it's not, then we're tampering with and damaging another whole planet just to entertain our curiosity, which is childish and foolish.

But if it is possible... The article at http://www.rinf.com/news/nov05/lucifer-project.html listed above noted some of the scenarios that NASA and others had considered to be fallout from the mission, including a rain of material ejected from Saturn when the plutonium on Cassini implodes. This will wreak havoc with the atmosphere and a large number of people won't survive it. (Well, duh. Run for the bunkers, Illuminati, run!) Yet as dire as this is on the surface, it seems far too simplistic to me--it's just a little piece of a much bigger picture.

Turning Saturn into a sun is supposed to warm Titan up so that we can terraform it with the intention of future colonization. This is another very simplistic and naive assumption, that this is all that would occur. Yet how can anybody reasonably predict what the real effects of such an ignition would be?

It seems to my unscientific eyes that suddenly gaining a star where Saturn used to be would change the entire solar system forever, with ramifications we can't begin to consider. Doesn't a star mean heat and light? Isn't Saturn is a lot closer to us than the sun? We're at the optimal distance from the sun we already have to continue life as we know it. Put another one in Saturn's place--albeit a much smaller one--and that means another source of heat, light and electromagnetism. Wouldn't that throw off not just our own path of orbit but those of the rest of the planets nearby? How do we know our little neighborhood (the solar system) wouldn't be largely incinerated, or changed so much that none of us would recognize it?

I know it sounds like I'm Chicken Little screaming "The sky is falling!" I'm sorry about that, and my intention isn't to instill any more fear in people, but I just wish TPTB would have a responsible and unselfish thought once in a while.

We know that there are many extraterrestrial civilizations watching us right now, as Marshall Summers says, to see what is about to happen. We know that mystics throughout the ages and in all of our own civilizations have spoken of "the end times" and cataclysms and points of ascenson or bifurcation of realities.

Maybe this Lucifer Project is the big show, the trigger point. I don't know, but it makes me wonder...

Cheers

Look... Wonder... Remember... Know

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Falvion wrote:

"Wouldn't that throw off not just our own path of orbit but those of the rest of the planets nearby"

RIGHT!

Things are held in place by a delicate balance, add or subtract the smallest proportion, something will change.
Not necessarily for the better.

Also it occurred to me, NASA watches too much Star Trek, anyone remember "Project Genesis" from Star Trek 2? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Genesis

This is just an 'indirect' version of terraforming not the 'planet' itself, but altering an adjacent Body.

And the symbolism surrounding this endeavor is just scary. The astrological implications seem to outweigh the astronomical predictions substantially.

It's a long shot (the longest!) and I feel so much better knowing the JASON Group are probably the original proposers of it.

These "atomic" minds seem to have no regard for cause and effect logic... incredible.                                             J

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...To destroy a planet by turning it into a sun- to create a planet... out of a moon?

That one's got me reeling, truly bizarre

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