• From: usa
  • Registered: 2007-07-14

Topic: nazi ufo's retread

Hi all,

I want to retread a thread I started under the username cloudkeen, "doppelgangers and April 30th"...

My thoughts and research make me declare that I really think some of the ufo's are Nazi (reverse engineered dimensional craft, first invented in wwII, and the tech from malevolent aliens wanting to take over the world with the German/Nazi's as their tools).

Over the post wwII years there were reports of swastikas on the silver discoid craft (like the testimony of Admiral Byrd who led expeditions to the poles, Anarctica and Arctic North Pole).  I used to have a dvd from Australia that showed schematics of cylindrical craft containing saucer type craft entering/exiting them (like depicted in the movie Dune).  I also saw genuine photos on the History Channel t.v. show of Japanese and German mega-subs containing airplanes, and one German sub was dispatched toward the end of the war, to Japan with materials for an atomic bomb which the Japanese would take by sub and launch one of their planes to bomb America.   I have also heard of mega subs containing Hannebu class flying saucer craft too.

Its amazing what is coming out through mainstream t.v. about wwII! Alot came out in 2005 and 2006, so far this year there has been a few repeats but nothing very new so far.  The main Hist Chan shows I scan and look out for to record with dvr are:  UFO Files, Decoding the Past, and Hidden Mysteries. 

On one show about secret societies they interviewed David Icke and detailed skull and bones and their fascist satanic rituals.

On another (An Alien History of Planet Earth) they showed a test site where the Nazi's experimented building a discoid ufo with concrete pillars holding it in place while they tested anti-gravity propulsion and an underground vast testing facility built from slave labor (really typically nasty methods the Nazi's inflicted upon Polish, Jewish, and others).

One show detailed how a ufo would be built and function (UFO Files Reverse Engineering).

One show put forth the theory (in my belief reality) of Hitler escaping by submarine to a Shangri-la (Antarctica) built for him (as proclaimed verifiably by one of his generals before the war ended).  Hitler used a doppelganger or double to take his place in a mock suicide at his bunker on April 30, 1945, in which the Russians discovered dental (faked) remains used to supposedly identify him, nobody wanted the world to know that such an evil murderous leader could escape freely and live on.

It could be argued one of the main reasons why a cover-up still exists to this day is the fact that the Nazi's were never fully defeated and actually relocated to bases/civilizations under the Earth and at the Poles.  Which Val Valerian from Yelm, WA detailed in his alternative historical Matrix materials (formerly Nevada Aerial Research).  He claimed millions of Germans relocated via weigh stations like Argentina in South America from 1944 to 1974 and on to Antarctica.

Other reasons exist, that the Nazi's maintain a fleet of highly advanced flying saucers (that have improved over the decades and are transdimensional or cloaked) and have appeared over the White House violating airspace and alerting the Secret Service (as shown again in one of the UFO Files Hist Chan shows- Cause for Alarm in 2005) and over missle launching silos to exert influence on world govt's even to this day.  One can imagine why our world and America and Britain are becoming increasingly fascist/brave new world/orwellian societies (and 9-11 a modern problem reaction solution method like the destruction of the Reichstag building in pre wwII to justify more fears and necessary tightening of lost liberty laws).

Another reason for the vast cover-up (though the truth is more rapidly becoming apparent today) is the military industrial complex and energy cartels dont want free energy tech to become avail to the masses or want anti-gravity non-polluting craft to become public or that there is a vast magnetic-leviton (mag-lev) tube shuttle system underground and sea to transport the ultra-elite ruling class quickly from LA to NY in under1-2 hrs compared to a plane flight of 5hrs or the Paris very rapidly under sea too.  Also, that there have been underground and undersea bases since the beginning of recorded history (Atlantis, Lemuria) where secret civilizations come and go undetected and easily.  Mountains, lake, desert bases too.

I am not sure of the Hollow Earth theory, but I do seriously believe there are bases like the previously mentioned.

There are internment camps waiting to take dissidents/rebels into them if a Pole shift occurs or a Comet Impact or a Nazi like nuclear explosion used to strike fear and control (the stoics use hope and fear as tools) and the ultra-elite have alternative 1, 2, 3, 4 to find shelter in underground bases if these events occur and let the masses die off (the ultra-elite seem to want to reduce Earth's population down to 500 million).

I don't know what the answer is to revealing and stopping this Nazi Ultra-Elite plan of the ages new world order scheme...

Maybe the good ultra-terrestrial, transdimensionals, extra-terrestrials, humans have countering defensive plans aligned with the Light and Benevolence lovers, but judging from this Earth's history, they seem to remain non involved observers (watching us sadly destroy ourselves), or powerless on this predominately dark malevolent planet.

Hope this brings up some input.

respectfully -keentraveler

As a candle burning on, in the breezy shades of night, I keep up my faith and underset my hope, to call on a realm of light --Little Light of Love --Eric Serra --The Fifth Element (movie soundtrack)

Waving banners, swinging swords, queens and kings and other lords, and the battles of our pride, greed and hunger deep inside, all the sorrow born of pain, cruelty and cruelty again, who will stop this vicious spin, Open Arms and Let Love In  --My Heart Calling  --Moa and Eric Serra --The Messenger (movie soundtrack)
  • From: West Coast, BC, Canada
  • Registered: 2007-02-11

Re: nazi ufo's retread

Forgive the Zat-Zis, no big balls, just created , like the rest of us, in labotaries..
No Big tits, i"ther,...no big balls to play with, gosh, jesu,jew, mohammed, and the rest of the ramas, ...gosh,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I'm running now...

MonAmie-Zylo's Website

  • From: West Coast, BC, Canada
  • Registered: 2007-02-11

Re: nazi ufo's retread

ok Hi , keentraveler,
Sounds, like to me, no Death do us part,

Unfortunately, I'am learning to distinguish, between the evil , and dark , the dark is not evil,
but the evil is Dying...

Thank the Genetic f*ck heads,
The matrix,
f*ck off,
I love the Plant and mineral Kingdom/Queendom...or should I say Thank Goddesss,God ...

Old Bag lady,
Can't come no more,
so f*ck off.
And need no change please..........back Genes,,,,,going home again...

Bad genetics here, but guess what, we can stilll LOVE!

MonAmie-Zylo's Website

  • From: West Coast, BC, Canada
  • Registered: 2007-02-11

Re: nazi ufo's retread

okee-do-kee, the spelling of Funky, was Mis-spledde.... oh, like my grammar is not acceptable...
I bet you Hi Talking Indivdual's Body, spirit was raised, more likely , like was born without LOVE, Man
Another young guy here, got caught off, for having bad humour yet to me was acceptable...

Still the Nazis, were humanoid with balls, they were , like the rest of us. controlled,...just uglier,

By the Way, who actually cares if us so ugly and pretty, and fat with desire Die....
Why are we so cared of losing our ability to become in-fomr...

There is no Culture Race, Species thatallows Truth to Love,
No I'm not afraid of Nazis, nor I'am of Being Afraid of non-perfoectione...

As far I am concern, i would probably never suck his balls again, 'Cause Jesus can do ir for me!!!

Going Gray and White Haired,
Monique

p>S. Every part of my body, but I re-fuse...with Magnetics, without Culture...
But hey what the freekk , were dead meat....Now I know how to spell without getting Censoured...

MonAmie-Zylo's Website

  • From: West Coast, BC, Canada
  • Registered: 2007-02-11

Re: nazi ufo's retread

ok, I talk wtih Heart.  I'm Will nver be afraid of the Germans, nor the Jews,
I would never be afraid to fight for my life.
My Body spirit, is genictelly part this culture and another ...Yet,. My Spirit is from another...
Allow,

CENSORSHIP

The Candy Shop has been CENSORED, CENTAUR.

I re-member my grandparents who only had grade 2 or maybe 3 and the other grade 4 Education. (Primary, not university schooling.)

They were 2nd generation Slavics, born in Canada. Slave to the farm.

With Baba’s mother-quality (responsible for giving life, and feeding the family), she wisely

suggested to buy the Candy Store. In other architectural statement, the STORE that was also

groceries, and other essential products (such as linen, needle threads, etc) for other farmers and it was also a place to commune, to gather.

And candy bars for the kids.

When I travelled across and between borders in North America , I met VIETNAM – War Vets.

I was so glad that my Dad was born in 1927 and just missed the subcription to war world 2.

……………

Censorship in any form is War against self-expression.



We have not visited, nor travelled all over the world just yet in physicality. We are not all justthis or that language, etcetera. Nor from this or that culture! Nor from this or that continent!

We are allowed to be wild-playful children regardless of age.

And write offending stories that Humanity needs to be geared into HEALING Self, the Child Within, The female, male teenagers, the need to Grow-up and Get on with the Wild Nature of Life. And stay with one’s Dream to Co-create Community with humour.

The CAN-A-Dy-da store.

(Thank you for listening, this hour has no minutes, no seconds, just

candy promises to get on with the military for offensive not defensive (…... …)And you fill-In the blanks!

((((((Huh, the blankets, between the What with Who and just Where HUH?)))))

Bullet-professors, oops, PROOF, censorship, bulletproof jackets, jack RABBITS…TONTO and the other guy.

……………………………

(

You just heard the advertisement for candy-proof censorship) (oh and we apologized for the background noise…cough, cough, that was the neighbours’ kids playing in bed, they’re ok, cough, cough)…

Now back to the Wild Nature within, and Co-Create with Joy that you are still alive!

And Die in OLD, very old age of wisedom!

(And thankyou Miles, for allowing me to write the next chapter,).

Chaperoning bad behaviour, no, no, bad stories, no, no bad writings with way too much humour, but was it,

-Monique

P.S. I can hear the background noise NOW. We need Re-Hab centres in our communities…Any money, honey to heal our brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers , aunts and uncles. We are ALL Cousins, can we heal and Yield and Stop the Candy-Store, ….

(More millions of people in Aghanistan are heroine addicts (their candy), more than the those in Australia…yes, I read this In The Epoch Times.)

When? A few months ago, or was it a few Centauries ago. Gosh those damn DNA scientists….f*ck !. OFF!.

Or do I still have to say GOSH, Darn, or was we Damned in ….Dreamt…or can we Be-come Dreamers…

Are we still censored from centuries, of censorship?

I am offended, but I will Defend the right to be A-LIVE, and f*ck if or not I want to!

We can only defend and not offend others. Others are Our Cousins!

We are like what’s his/her name said in the past present, we are ALL ONE! So f*ck off, and let me be(?) or ain’t allowed here, Good, f*ck OFF.

Miles and mile and speek of too many truth and truth seeder,

You write the next chapter, NOW!or be damned in the Noble Realms of Censorship, or whas that Centauries ago?

MonAmie-Zylo's Website

6 Reply by Namaste (edited by Namaste 2007-07-21 12:49:57)

  • Registered: 2006-08-19

Re: nazi ufo's retread

Greetings, keentraveler,

I have also done considerable research on the whole occult-Nazi-UFO thing -- as well as more conventional historical research on WWII and the periods before & after. This includes Operation Highjump, German U-boats, etc. I did this partly to satisfy my own curiosity as well as to write a film script ("Project Hanebu" -- which remains unsold, go figure).

There are certain factual claims which, unlike you, I doubt very much: for ex., the present-day Nazi base in the Antarctic, & the Hollow Earth. My "big picture" view does not require such elaborate scenarios, and yet we agree on many key features of how things operate on this planet:

For ex., there is indeed a vast network of underground bases, which the Elite (Illuminati) will live in, if they aren't living there already. I prefer not to use the term Nazi to refer to these people, since both the Nazis & the Communists were tools of the Illuminati. The titanic struggles of nations under FDR, Churchill, Hitler, & Stalin were arranged by & for the benefit of the Elite, most of whom remain unknown to the public to this day (and I have no doubt they are satanic enough to regard war as "human sacrifice" on the grand scale). Therefore all the advanced technology we attribute to any one nation by extension belongs to this Globalist Elite as well.

One does not need to invoke a highly-improbable Antarctic Nazi base to have "Nazi subversion" of the victorious nations post-WWII. The differences between the competing ideologies are actually insignificant, insofar as they all serve the NWO agenda and are "multiple roads to tyranny". Assume that German saucer technology (whether inspired by alien-channelling or not) wound up in the hands of the victors -- who would naturally be corrupted by such power -- as they were corrupted by the atomic bomb. For this & other reasons, it seems that the U.S. inevitably had to turn into the "Fourth Reich" -- joining a host of other powerful tyrannies, all pieces on the chessboard, preparing for the End Game: more human sacrifice. Whether fast or slow, their methods will result in massive de-population. Unfortunately neither you nor I are on the underground city guest-list.

As for those alleged "friendly aliens" or transdimensional beings out there, I've wondered about them, too. And I've come to a rather sobering conclusion -- one thing that can be hard to accept is that "morality" belongs to the human realm. We don't expect animals to think in terms of light & dark-side -- perhaps we should not expect that of "higher beings" either. Our everyday experience of being human could also be called the relative (or dualistic) level. But consider for a moment the "ultimate level" -- this view would have to be non-human, utterly detached & impartial -- perhaps gazing upon a universal tapestry that we humans cannot even imagine. And on that level, ALL IS WELL.

Such a notion would, of course, not make good fodder for spiritual or political discussions. What's left to talk about, then? wink

On the relative level, I would be glad to entertain your questions about specific historical events (as to whether or not they actually occurred). Mucho blessings.

  • Registered: 2007-07-21

Re: nazi ufo's retread

Hi, Keentraveler.  I think I read about a woman named Mae Brussels who believed that Nazi's were still around and active in the USA in the 60's and 70's.  I think there is a website that has a bunch of transcripts from her talk show.  You could try searching for it if you are interested.

And what a funny synchronicity.  In the late 70's I had read a blurb that Admiral Byrd had talked ( in the 50's) about going into the poles and seeing mammoths, and trees at some point in his career.  And I had an astronomy professor who had actually served with or under Admiral Byrd and had endured the Cape Horn experience.  I remember I had wanted to ask the prof if the rumor that Admiral Byrd had actually had the experience of flying into the poles and never got the chance.:)
T.

  • From: usa
  • Registered: 2007-07-14

Re: nazi ufo's retread

Namaste,

Thanks for the input.

I know some of my views on the Nazi's is fantastic (Antarctic base and hollow earth), as you point out.

I have heard of Operation Highjump and Paperclip.

I agree with you about the Global Elite manipulating the world governments (like Communist and Fascist polarities) into World War.  Yes, there are definitely underground bases from which these Elites operate and they back engineered flying disc tech and utilize it to this day. 

I have to re-mention what I saw on the History Channel t.v.-- the German and Japanese super-subs.  It is one of those things I never read about while I was in high-school twenty some years ago, and to see it on t.v. in 2005 was weird.  It made me realize that there are a lot of facts we dont currently know about our history and WWII.  Subs capable of carrying airplanes, and the Nazi's almost succeeding in developing the A-bomb.  I'm like you, a WWII and history buff.  I wonder what other secrets (besides those we both mention here) will come out in mainstream media?

Where did you learn the term "hannebu"?  Is that what the Germans called their flying discs?  That is what I read somewhere that they did.  I also read that they transported these hannebu craft by super sub to points elsewhere... maybe the polar regions?  Did not Admirable Byrd lead expeditions to the poles (Op Highjump) and sighted flying discs with swastika symbols on them, and German speaking pilots?  Or were these reports from his journals faked?

A term i like to use regarding the Elite is "ultra-terrestrials", meaning they are capable of ultra or extreme feats of technology.  There are extra-terrestrials (those who come from outside our planet, and are few), and those who are from within our planet (oceans, mountains, deserts, deep lakes, underground) and I would call them ultra-terrestrials.  There are the Global Elite and there are the Ultra-Global Elite who have been around since the beginning of Earth's civilizations (eons, or over 100,000 or more years).  They have always had their secret bases and like to maintain their secrets and rule of the Earth behind a facade or veil.  They are capable of trans-dimensional travel and spying.

Have you ever seen these movies?  They Live and Zardoz?  Both stand out in my mind about a hidden elite being revealed to the main protagonists.  Also the two Philadelphia Experiment movies, where in the second they depict an alternate time line with the Nazi's winning WWII and occupying America.

I am sorry to hear about your un-sold screenplay, I dont think the Establishment would want to reveal in a direct way, what has and is happening concerning Nazi's/Germans and the Elite rule of Earth.

Yes, there is Nazi subversion in America and the world and power corrupts.

I think you are accurate in your conclusion that the extra-terrestrials (with their superior tech) are nuetral and detached.  Observers watching only.  A group with non-interference values and policies.  However, I do also think there are a few (maybe they are really advanced humans with the light polarity) that do intercede for the well being of humanity, and maybe they are capable of spying on the really evil humans or elite that have plans of terrorism and nuclear attack, and are able to stop them before they realize their evil agenda?

Could some of the highly advanced (we're talking eons and possibly millions of years) beings really be angels.  Performing tasks that seem like magic in ancient times and biblical times, and using time travel?

All rather fantastic, but interesting to debate.

ideascubed:

Thanks for the name (Mae Brussels) and the comments on her and about Admiral Byrd and the professor.  Yes, I remember reading about Byrd's sighting of a whooly mammonth.  Thats intriguing about your prof and his comments.

As a candle burning on, in the breezy shades of night, I keep up my faith and underset my hope, to call on a realm of light --Little Light of Love --Eric Serra --The Fifth Element (movie soundtrack)

Waving banners, swinging swords, queens and kings and other lords, and the battles of our pride, greed and hunger deep inside, all the sorrow born of pain, cruelty and cruelty again, who will stop this vicious spin, Open Arms and Let Love In  --My Heart Calling  --Moa and Eric Serra --The Messenger (movie soundtrack)
  • Registered: 2006-08-19

Re: nazi ufo's retread

Hi keentraveler,

The link below provides what I consider a properly-researched argument against the Nazi Antarctic base (and you'll learn a great deal of real history from reading it):

http://journals.cambridge.org/productio … tid=648116

Perhaps you can provide more credible sources -- for ex., the logs of Admiral Byrd -- that might reveal this article to be an elaborate cover-up. When it comes to extraordinary factual claims, a serious truth-seeker would require extraordinary evidence. It may interest you to know, btw, that one of the US Navy subs in Operation Highjump had to drop out due to hull damage -- WWII-era submarines would have been highly vulnerable to damage from the ice sheets surrounding Antarctica, which could crush the hulls of ships that became trapped (going underneath the ice was not a viable option for subs of that period either). As you'll read in the article (and see in documentaries on YouTube), the Navy's #1 opponent in Antarctica was nature.

A reasonable person looking at Germany's situation in the '30s & '40s would have to consider also the enormous cost and manpower required to establish even the smallest outpost in that region -- given that the pressing need of the Germany economy was to wage war (first with Britain, then the USA & USSR), one could hardly call a base in Antarctica a worthwhile high-priority item, compared to, say, weapons production, training soldiers, building bases in Europe, etc. It simply doesn't make sense, unless you invoke "alien assistance" -- in which case, the Germans should not have lost the war.

I'm aware of the "super subs" you mentioned; however, their actual importance may have been blown way out of proportion. These behemoths were able to carry considerable cargo over huge distances, but they were also easier for the Allies to detect & destroy (& most of them were destroyed by war's end). The Germans had the immense Type IXD2, which could serve as a resupply vessel for other U-Boats, or travel as far as S.E. Asia. But one has to ask, if the Germans had functional saucers, why risk putting them in highly vulnerable U-boats? Why not just fly them out instead? (Which is what happens in my screenplay, btw.)

Mind you, this is a separate issue from the existence of German saucer craft -- I think there is sufficient evidence that they had "something" quite exceptional in the works -- which the Allies acquired and developed further. This is certainly true of their jet planes and guided missiles. I don't see much point in speculating beyond that -- suffice it to say, we know the Bad Guys are running the world.

BTW, I have seen the movies you mentioned. They're good films, in the way science fiction ought to be thought-provoking. I don't think the people who rejected my script were even thinking about protecting Illuminati secrets -- they just think they know what the mass audience wants to see -- and sometimes they're right. Perhaps if my story had been a best-selling comic book first... hmm

There is a principle that I'd like to share that you might find helpful in discerning the wheat from the chaff. To paraphrase Occam's Razor: All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one.

Mucho blessings.

10 Reply by keentraveler (edited by keentraveler 2007-07-31 15:27:45)

  • From: usa
  • Registered: 2007-07-14

Re: nazi ufo's retread

Namaste,

Thanks for your views on this matter.

I will check out the link you provided.

Your logic sounds viable and secure.

I remember that quote from Occam's Razor, they used it in the movie "Contact" starring Jodie Foster.

Perhaps your simple logic works best in this case.

Many times people (some like me) tend to believe in the fantastic and the weirder the better, so maybe you are right, the nazi's could not have accomplished what I outlined.  Yet, it is still scary to think that they are rising again like the phoenix within America, and America is unfortunately becoming more and more fascist.  Let the resistance continue.

edit:

spelling correction and the following:

I still hold out the possibility of nazi ufo's and a hidden base at either of the poles, there is something in my gut instincts that compels me to say this, yet,

this theory or reality could be a ruse by neo-nazi's to bolster their recruitment and morale (the nazi's redeployment and escape after WWII)

so, i cant really say for sure that the link you provided (antarctica-the myth and reality) is totally convincing for me,

one source that I came across in my studies was a chronology of alternative history and conditioning of the masses by Val Valerian from Yelm, WA and his website and velo bound Matrix books (Leading Edge site), although maybe he is affiliated with neo-nazi's or has ulterior motives --i dont know (i gave away all of these books i had to the local MUFON chapter)

As a candle burning on, in the breezy shades of night, I keep up my faith and underset my hope, to call on a realm of light --Little Light of Love --Eric Serra --The Fifth Element (movie soundtrack)

Waving banners, swinging swords, queens and kings and other lords, and the battles of our pride, greed and hunger deep inside, all the sorrow born of pain, cruelty and cruelty again, who will stop this vicious spin, Open Arms and Let Love In  --My Heart Calling  --Moa and Eric Serra --The Messenger (movie soundtrack)