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Why is it some people just rob your energy? Are they entitled to it or something because of karma? Ive seen wicked hateful people gather energy from other people..its like they have guardian angels ready to rob you of your energy...and they dont deserve it..theyre hate filled they should be broken, but they continue to gobble up energy...why does the universe favor some that shouldnt be favored??? WHY??
they can only rob you of energy if your energy field is weak/down, or you give them permission somehow to do so.
You have to protect yourself.
They probably have guardian "demons". If you think of the thick blanket of lower vibrational energy that permeates this society then it makes sense that those most in tune with that lower vibration will get the greatest benefit (from society's perspective). I see it constantly. Not just with the PTWB either. Those that embrace the full myopic viewpoint will always get these nice little coincidences that help them keep that view. Those trying to expand will meet great resistance and will get nice little coincidences that try to get them back into that selfish mindset.
We are our own oasis. We are the candles in the dark. If we can't hold the oasis open for others then we risk losing it ourselves. The only way the "angels" can get a foothold is with our help. We are the front line, the forward base, the vanguard. It's the hardest thing I've ever done and I am not nearly as successful as I wish to be. It does get easier but only internally. It gets harder in direct proportion when dealing externally (in a particular sense).
It comes down once again to the individual. I found for myself that as I grew the direct attacks to me have ended. It still hasn't ended the indirect attacks because everyone (myself included) can be vectors of attack (energy drain). Due to the sheer amount of direct attacks sustained during my so called childhood I was able to pinpoint most of the successful strategies that are used for this. And survey says, the number 1 way to successfully drain energy on a large scale is 'divide and conquer'.
I found a thin line to walk to assist my journey through this 9th layer of hell. That thin line is understanding. Understanding used in live action leads to wisdom. So I took that little hint from several spiritual books and asked for wisdom. But I knew that merely asking wasn't enough. So I sought wisdom with the vigor that a stock broker seeks a lamborguini and a trophy wife. Anyway, understanding goes along way in living the serenity prayer...
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.
To answer your question I would posit the following. The universe favors neither those that hate nor those that love. This society was build on separation, envy, hate, and all those coarser emotions. So this society favors that. Trust me when I say I know exactly how you feel. The only way I know of "not going down with their ship" is to change perspective. They would certainly like us to believe 'their' way is the only way, that the universe is essentially hostile, and it's every entity for themselves. But deep down we all know that's false. We know it's false because of our reactions to what they are presenting to us as the "way".
So I just learned to recognize the tactics, figure out my own strategies, and ultimately stop the lower energy creation and transfer on a personal level. I'm not nearly as "on the ball" with it as I hope but I will keep striving. And the energy I do save in the process can then be changed over to something more refined. Then I have something to give others.
They are just vampires and know how to get their drug of choice (loosh) they don't deserve it they just steal it. Try building yourself up and cleaning yourself up with the various methods. Better diet, excercise, meditation, awareness, etc. It's an infinite war and you can't let your guard down for a moment or here they come.
they can only rob you of energy if your energy field is weak/down, or you give them permission somehow to do so.
You have to protect yourself.
I know when i go into chat rooms theres this extradimensional communication and some people are there to rip it from you..and sometimes they succeed..ITs like a warzone...the more i remain stable the less i lose it..if i start to think it flies off.
They are just vampires and know how to get their drug of choice (loosh) they don't deserve it they just steal it. Try building yourself up and cleaning yourself up with the various methods. Better diet, excercise, meditation, awareness, etc. It's an infinite war and you can't let your guard down for a moment or here they come.
RIGHT...they just rob you without conscience...When they pick at you they gain a bit of your life, if they kill you mentally they get your life, and some of them do it so well that they just drain you...you gotta figure at some point tho theyll run out of victims...or theyll just move on to some other place to feed.
The secret (i've found) is to provide them with diminishing returns. If their energy input exceeds what they get from you then at some point they will be forced to concede and move on.
oavada, not to be condescending, but you must be seeing by now that merely by being in those environments, virtual or real, you are offering yourself up to just primal and incendiary exchanges, so this begs the question, why do you continue?
If by keeping doing this, you think you are staying in a social clique, or maintaining a personality status on Myspace-- you are ripe pickins'. My advice.....walk away. And do it right quick while you still have eyes to see the manipulations, keep feeding them and the thirdsight will go dim. Many of us have been thru this, make it easier on yourself. J
Victim consciousness is highly addictive I think we've all been there done that. Gives you a whole lot of drama. Hard to give up but you can do it.
z3n3rg wrote:
The secret (i've found) is to provide them with diminishing returns. If their energy input exceeds what they get from you then at some point they will be forced to concede and move on.
I think that this is true, but tricky and complex, because once you realize the dynamics of this, you have to walk away from almost everything and put 0 energy back toward people, which creates an even deeper feeling of separation. There are people who feed on people ("people, people who feed on people, are the luckiest... ") who are compelled by pain, feeding the pain body, so they will target someone as a vector of attack who will either fight with anger and feed their negative pain body, or walk and feed their negative pain body through rejection. So, either way, you are drawn into a dynamic of feeding someone's pain addiction whether you engage or cut off engagement. If you give them and their "things" no energy input, it still feeds a negative pattern, because it creates a dynamic of pain and separation for both people, either way. Think about all the time we all spend trying to disengage from energy vampires, as belljar puts it. All the time spent healing from these interactions. There has got to be a better way to get off the roller coaster ride before we even get on it, but how to do this without being alienated from everyone and everything. That is the quesiton I have worked on for a long time, and meditation has not been the answer for me .-lala
Imagine a pack of wolves and a flock of sheep. Now consider this…which would you rather be? A wolf? Or a sheep?
Personally, I prefer neither. So I ask myself, what else is there? What about the shepherd? Trouble is, in order to become the shepherd one must first appreciate the nature of the beast. Now the question is…can I stomach it? I don’t know for sure but I intend to find out. It's time for me to learn the kind of stuff I’m made of.
Warning: Video contains explicit and graphic imagery
Natural Born Killers – TV Interview
TV INSERT -- LOGO for "AMERICAN MANIACS" rolls to loud cue-in
MUSIC and ANNOUNCER.TV ANNOUNCER
...and now Wayne Gale goes one to one with
Mickey Knox. Straight from Batongaville
Penitentiary -- on the eve of Mickey Knox's
lobotomy. Is he or isn't he? Let America be
the Judge...CUT TO:
MICKEY'S face -- in a chair, real calm, no handcuffs, a pleasant
smile.MICKEY (TO THE GUARD)
How ya doin' today?Across from him is WAYNE, with a serious intensity, half-glasses,
consulting his yellow legal pad notes, Mike Wallace-style.WAYNE TV
Mickey Knox. Thank you for this time. I have
a few questions I'd like to start with, do you
mind?MICKEY TV (smiles)
Let's roll the fuckin' (BLEEP) dice, Wayne.WAYNE TV
Mickey Knox, when did you first start thinking
about killing?CAMERA now in the room, rolling off Wayne to reveal Mickey and the
setup. It's made to look like a one on one but we now see
McClusky's DEPUTIES, among them WURLITZER and KAVANAUGH, are quite
close, just out of camera range. Mickey is cool as a feather.MICKEY
Birth... I was thrown into a flaming pit of
scum...forgotten by God (laughs).WAYNE
What do you mean by that?MICKEY
What do I mean?...I mean I came from
violence... it was in my blood. My Dad had it.
(chuckles)
You know. Eat, Shit, f*ck, Kill, Die... it was
all my fate...my fate.INSERT TV MONITOR -- the words are BLEEPED immediately.
Wayne's excited, Mickey's rolling right out the gate.
WAYNE
No one is born evil Mickey, it's something you
learn...Let's talk about your father? How he was
murdered? You were 10 years old when he died is that...Mickey's mood immediately changes, darkens.
MICKEY TV
I didn't kill my father...and I don't want to
talk about that shit...He throws a box of donuts at the camera.
JULIE signals excitedly from the monitor - a head set sending
messages to her. More people turning on. Thumbs up to WAYNE,
excited.MICKEY
Please.WAYNE TV
OK OK Mickey, let's go on to something else. I
understand Mickey Knox is reading the Bible these
days?MICKEY
Ya?WAYNE
The teachings of the Bible seem inconsistent
with your actions -- Christian values.MICKEY
I don't know why. The Bible's full of killings.WAYNE
But what about God, does he have the right to
judge you?Wayne's eyes scooting everywhere, motioning to McClusky to get
his men out of the background when Mickey's on camera.MICKEY
God created me...if what I did was so bad why
didn't he stop me...why didn't he protect me
when I was a kid...He's doing it, not me.WAYNE
Mickey, how can you look at an ordinary
innocent person...a guy with kids...and shoot
him to death... how can you do that?MICKEY
Innocent? Who's innocent Wayne?...it's just
murder man. Everyone does it, all God's
creatures ...in one form or another...I know a
lotta people deserve to die...
(a look at McClusky who is impervious)WAYNE
Why do they deserve to die?MICKEY
Everybody got somethin' in their past, some
guilt, some sin, some awful secret thing...I
think people who deserve to die are those
people who are not living in the first place.
I think there's a lotta people walkin' round
right now who are aiready dead and need to be
put outta their misery.WAYNE
...sort of "everyone meets their serial killer
half way"? Is that what you're saying?. The
theory that the Jews wanted to be victims
walking into the gas chambers at Auschwitz;
that even genocide at some level's agreed
upon...?MICKEY
The wolf don't know why he's a wolf, and a deer
don't know why he's a deer...God just made it
that way...WAYNE
...You're talking now about "predators" Mickey.
You're saying the world itself is predatory.
When a mountain lion takes down an elk, it's
because it's the elk's time to go, and all the
b.s. liberal agenda about saving the animal
herds only overpopulates the balance of nature?
Maybe you're right Mickey Knox, maybe you're
right.... Corporate
predators. Enviromental predators. Nuclear
predators. Life is a hunt. I've seen it
Mickey. I was there. When the shit (BLEEP)
hit the fan. At Grenada. I saw it all go down
at Grenada...Mickey bored. Julie signalling frantically to Wayne to cut the
jab. Wayne sees the signal,WAYNE
...so tell me Mickey, any regrets? Three
weeks. 47 people, not cool.MICKEY (corrects)
...48. Ya, I'm sorry I got Mallory into this
mess. Prison and all. She doesn't really
deserve it.WAYNE
Anything else?MICKEY
I'm sorry the Indian got killed.WAYNE (consulting his notes)
The next to last victim. The one whose
grandson testified at the trial that his
grandfather was trying to help you...MICKEY
He saw it...WAYNE
He saw what?MICKEY
The Demon...He saw the Demon.Mickey is deep into the memory. Wayne's puzzled.
WAYNE
So what happened?MICKEY
The whole deal was a mistake. I didn't mean to
kill him...The old man was trying to help us...WAYNE
So what happened?
(fiercely, aside, to McClusky)
Dwight, will you get those two assholes outta
there! It's supposed to look like me and
Mickey alone!MCCLUSKY (aside)
Don't call my men assholes.WAYNE (aside)
Shhh! I didn't mean they were assholes. I mean
"get 'em outta here!"McClusky signalling to Kavanaugh and Wurlitzer to step back.
Julie signalling fiercely for quiet.
WAYNE (to himself, re: McClusky)
Asshole.MICKEY (meanwhile deep into it)
...there was a fight in my dream, see...it's
the same dream I've had since I was a
kid...it's hard to move...like I'm made of
lead...I taste metal in my mouth...Then...the
Demon comes after me.WAYNE
What does it want...your soul?
(no answer)
What does it do?MICKEY
It kills in this case something good.WAYNE
So as long as you're bad...it won't kill you.MICKEY (somewhere else)
...after the old man, we were gonna stop
killin'. The old man took it out of us.WAYNE
...but you both've killed on the inside?MICKEY
The Demon lives in here. Everyone's got the
demon. It feeds on their hate, it cuts, rapes,
kills...it's the alien man, it uses your
weakness, your fear...only the vicious survive.WAYNE (skeptical)
So that's why you're reading the Bible, you're
looking for help? Hard to believe, Mickey.MICKEY
You mean if Jesus could raise Lazarus from the
dead maybe he could help me?...No dice. (pause)
You know the only thing that kills the Demon?
...Love. That's why I know Mallory is my
salvation. She was teaching me how to love.
It's like being in the Garden of Eden...WAYNE
"Only love can kill the demon." Hold that thought.
My current job has me in a quite toxic environment with low vibratory actions. z3n3rg has the secret. It does work. Walking away is actually quite a beautiful and powerful act. Keep on creating your own energy and seek out higher energy levels/power. Being around people who play energy battles will ultimately strengthen the individual.
oavada, not to be condescending, but you must be seeing by now that merely by being in those environments, virtual or real, you are offering yourself up to just primal and incendiary exchanges, so this begs the question, why do you continue?
If by keeping doing this, you think you are staying in a social clique, or maintaining a personality status on Myspace-- you are ripe pickins'. My advice.....walk away. And do it right quick while you still have eyes to see the manipulations, keep feeding them and the thirdsight will go dim. Many of us have been thru this, make it easier on yourself. J
youre right, i know...it's hard to let go sometimes...i think computers and the internet in general are pretty damaging if you sit for more than a few hours a day at them..it's always better to remain active of course.
Now the question is…can I stomach it? I don’t know for sure but I intend to find out. It's time for me to learn the kind of stuff I’m made of.
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Id advise against that.....;) I said that too. Here's my quote for you:
"He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby becomes a monster. When you stare at the abyss, the abyss stares back at you."
z3n3rg wrote:
The secret (i've found) is to provide them with diminishing returns. If their energy input exceeds what they get from you then at some point they will be forced to concede and move on.
I think that this is true, but tricky and complex, because once you realize the dynamics of this, you have to walk away from almost everything and put 0 energy back toward people, which creates an even deeper feeling of separation. There are people who feed on people ("people, people who feed on people, are the luckiest... ") who are compelled by pain, feeding the pain body, so they will target someone as a vector of attack who will either fight with anger and feed their negative pain body, or walk and feed their negative pain body through rejection. So, either way, you are drawn into a dynamic of feeding someone's pain addiction whether you engage or cut off engagement. If you give them and their "things" no energy input, it still feeds a negative pattern, because it creates a dynamic of pain and separation for both people, either way. Think about all the time we all spend trying to disengage from energy vampires, as belljar puts it. All the time spent healing from these interactions. There has got to be a better way to get off the roller coaster ride before we even get on it, but how to do this without being alienated from everyone and everything. That is the quesiton I have worked on for a long time, and meditation has not been the answer for me .-lala
It's true that much is walked away from. I also think the energy dynamic as you explain above is true. A tricky wicket for sure.
By walking away one also lowers their own vibration because they are refusing something that has been asked of them. Whether that something is wisdom or slavery doesn't matter.
Going to the end of the logic on this one I have to conclude, if only temporarily, that we have to choose the better of two not-so-good options. Ending a dynamic that perpetuates the other entities decline and facilitates our own decline would obviously be the better of the two options.
Thinking about it further my idea of "walking away" may involve other things that haven't been taken into account here. I don't merely walk away. I know that even the most hardened of hearts has the capacity for equal exchange of mutual benefit. So that's the avenue I explore first. I will attempt to explain where I'm at and guage reactions. I will employ logic and subtle hints to let the person know I'm not willing to share their dynamic of pain because that's not who I am. Ultimately, a choice is presented to the individual. I've found that most will subconsciously make the choice of staying in thier dynamic. When that choice has been made then I will say my piece and walk away.
However, I've had several friends and a parent that were energy vampires. They realized that what I was doing was accepting them for who they were but was not about to allow them to change who I am. And surprisingly they accepted that. They still fed off others when I was around. I ignored it because I accepted them. From my acceptance, their respect for me increased and I could actually see them struggle at particular times to stop their automatic feeding where I was concerned. Just to clarify, before completely ignoring their feeding on others I would point it out and test their reactions. I would only pursue further if the door was opened. Otherwise I would simply accept them for all they are and all they do.
I'll try to address your last question more directly. Just my perspective here of course. First part of the answer is "it's a process". I have found no silver bullet for stopping the "roller coaster" before it happens. What I have found is that the more in tune with the good vibrations (love, joy, peace, acceptance, gratitude, appreciation, harmony, etc) the less likely I was to be targetted for negative energy exchange. It's like trying to give a salad to a great white shark. They aren't interested.
And meditation doesn't work for this stuff I've found. In fact, I don't trully meditate as it's often defined. My meditation would be more apply called "communion". I've done actual meditation in the past but for different reasons. I was working on better control of my thoughts, emotions, and some physical aspects such as being able to put myself into sleep paralysis.
The communion can be done anywhere at anytime. It's a place of peace I created within that holds all the joy I've collected. It contains all the epiphanies. It contains all the 'dark nights of the soul'. It's a place where the paradoxes have been resolved. It's a place where "everything under the sun is in tune". I can enter that place while sitting in rush-hour traffic in 90 degree heat with no A/C while having to run the heater to keep the car from overheating while being stuck with no place to pull over and let the car rest.
I must say that meditation is only a way to tap into something deeper within. The lessons of interaction still have to be learned in real-life interactions. As one strives for refinement in these areas then epiphanies will come when they are most likely to be integrated. Without the real world effort of refining self, meditation probably won't do much of anything (of value).
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