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lhs wrote:

............i believe there may be quite a few here that would be interested in some form of explanation to the question posed above..........and by the way, great question/

in a word, spam ...

HI!  I'm ALLOTTA VAGINA!  WOULD YOU LIKE TO BUY SOME VIAGRA OR SEE MY WEBCAM OR CLICK THROUGH TO AN ADULT SITE 'PAY FOR CLICK' PROGRAM THAT DOESN'T EVEN REQUIRE YOU TO GET A CREDIT CARD IN ORDER TO STOP A SPAMMER FROM STARVING TO DEATH?  YEAH BABY!  (sorry, I haven't seen Borat yet so I still do Austin Powers)

hence, this forum is kept somewhat exclusive to people genuinely interested in the topics of the main montalk page ...

32 Reply by wandering1 (edited by wandering1 2007-06-07 22:06:53)

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Sowelu wrote:

I'd say that NR is the place it is because of Tom's particular forum moderating practices. Between learned patterns of human behavior correlating with other recognized energetic influences, intuition, successfully applied methods of fine-tuning...

Thanks for this, Sowelu.  I just wanted to emphasize that from my understanding, what happens here is more than just reacting to "words on a screen".

Intuition and perceiving beyond surface layers is part of it.

As montalk has stated before, this forum has been attacked from day 1. 

Sometimes it is not so easy to distinguish between honest inquiry, someone who is truly trying to dig to the bottom of something, and someone who appears on the surface to be doing that but is really trying to derail and divide and stall the process of honest inquiry by others.

Whenever someone is banned, I imagine there are usually some people who will see it is being unfair or involving censorship.

I have not previously seen the use of requiring a login in order to read, but after several years of participating here, I trust that there is good reason for it.  I imagine that it would limit "noise" in the environment.  Kind of like turning down the volume a bit in order to refocus attention.

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Truth Minion,

I may have misread your intent and IF that is the case then I do apologize.  I have seen this type of thing quite often and the setup was pretty close to the way you approached this thread.  Also, my second post herein was not necessarily geared towards you unless it fit which only you know.  And at the same time, I didn't see any response to the questions in my first post.  So I still am not sure how to read your intent.

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.........hey 'mandalis'........what's up brother........what do you need beside the obvious..........you lose your kid...........too much goin on up top left..........how about your ground............have you been a disciplined angel............what kind of feeding habits are you allowing yourself to conduct...........what brings you here...........easy prey upon unmanned grounds.........how about your sleep habits.........you haven't been answering my messages........i've been ringing you dude.........are you temporaily cutoff by chance.........i know why i'm scared do you why you are........i do.........and how about you leaving your dna all over the place.........where is one to start with all this.........maybe the subconscious tunnelling of self..........i bet you got a block comrade.........i'm almost sure that if i brand my initials deeply into that bothersome block you may be able to reconnect to Source.......i may even get a medal for performing so........what do you feel.........probaly can't at the moment......i understand.......i plan on remedying so for so in the name of Service..........i'm wounded, bored, and looking for an op........you rememeber.......not the old stuff........you know......like cuting off another man's genitals in front of his comrades.........burning down forests to light a cigarrette........gutting animals while their still alive.........all that good stuff and it's never ending supply of loosh........you remember........you were once more deeply asleep than you are at the moment........those were the days yet no more so..........we've proven that the warrior projection of self don't work........it's a cop out.......so is preying on the brave humans that did'nt have to experience this and set out on the only true Path there is..........the ones that went inside and directly into the horror........you and i are a bit different........i can tell you live at your mother's place with a full fridge and a computer at the ready........you see i'm in your body right now and so me and you are talking one to one.........we're going to continue so off line in one form or the other........allow these people to do their work......you and i are small coin compared to what will be moving through these channells in years to come..........in the meantime we need to get you reconnected with Source........that just happens to be my world........what i do and what i am.........we need to work from a remotley different angle in a different place so to speak than this.......in the meantime you can save some time by researching my posts on how to stop your head from buzzing........maybe you can eventually write of your experience so these good people can finally solve their equation..........outofmaya@hotmail.com.........come directly to me son, your wasting others time here as you know...........Namaste///

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ihs, I wish I knew what that meant, I'm sure others will get it but I'm Irish. wink

At the risk of repeating myself:

It is possible they operate outside of our time-line , from another dimension, therefore their perception and logic is vastly different from our own and what date they appear in our timeline, makes no difference at all.

If they are Dimenions apart then that is a huge "apart", so I put it to you we can have no inkling of how their logic works, I can only assume it operates far above out own because of the knowledge they have to incorporate into their logic.

Studying more  the "why we are here" , "how did we get here" , leads us to the conclusions many writers have postulated, that we have always been under the influence of Alien masters, who themselves have created "lies" that keep us enslaved.

When you think about it, from our little place in the Universe ,on a rock 3rd from the sun, in the arse-end of nowhere, the very idea of we are all going to heaven or hell,  of God and the devil, Adam and Eve, is laughtable.
Why is it so hard for most to beleive that the very reason how we got here and why we are here, has nothing to do with God and his plan for us but something entirely different,something Alien to us.

Before I concidered ET's, I always had a little saying that if people ever were to meet God, they will find him to be far more Alien than they ever imagined.

I still think this.

But I do have another question which may be for another thread.
As I have been finding this discussion facinating and as I read and ponder, a question struck me:
If there are alien reptiles, or controlled grays, or other worldly dimensional beings, living in 4D or whatever D, feeding off us or enslaving us, do they have "souls"?

36 Reply by Truth Minion (edited by Truth Minion 2007-06-09 18:27:04)

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Truth Minion,

I may have misread your intent and IF that is the case then I do apologize.  I have seen this type of thing quite often and the setup was pretty close to the way you approached this thread.  Also, my second post herein was not necessarily geared towards you unless it fit which only you know.  And at the same time, I didn't see any response to the questions in my first post.  So I still am not sure how to read your intent.

If you go back in the thread you are going to see that I did not reply to you until you gave that "ego... blah blah blah" reply.

Your first reply in the thread was completely meaningless since it gave room for all kinds of "beliefs". So I decided not to reply. I only did it to tell you that what you did is not cool.

So you should not be blaming me for the lack of reply to your position, since all my replies were done after your second reply. To which I then replied.

My intent as I said is very simple: I am not sure that this whole alien thing is real.

After doing some more research, I believe it is a variation of the "Demiurge" concept of the Gnostics. However, if they had any validity, the Gnostic people would have seen it.

I believe this is all a set up by TPTB to make us "unite" under a common "threat" (the new "terrorists" so to speak) so that they can finish implementing their "New" World Order.

They NEED this so that we don't rebel. I don't think "agreements" matter that much. Otherwise the link that Montalk gave would not have stated the things that they stated.

William Cooper also came to not believe in them. And he was killed after getting to that conclusion.

Here is another author that says the same thing:

http://members.tripod.com/~lyne4lyne/roswell.htm

I think the "alien" angle might be just a new take of an old story. But I might be wrong.

It just doesn't make sense. We should be living in high tech oppressive societies by now. And the fact that we aren't brings up red flags to the story.

I believe that we must question this very hard because it gives TPTB an advantage that they shouldn't get. Not that I don't believe that aliens exist. I just don't think that is the source of our problems.

Or so it seems.

37 Reply by Truth Minion (edited by Truth Minion 2007-06-09 19:09:05)

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Montalk wrote:
Truth Minion wrote:

Oppressors do not care if their oppression are "true" or not. All they care is that they oppress people. It is a fetish.

Under fewer and better informed assumptions you might perceive fewer contradictions. Maybe it is not just a fetish, but an organized business requiring the proper timing of incremental steps toward desired goals. Oversimplifying could make for illusory contradictions. Example: why would a farmer wait until the end of the growing season to pull crops from the ground when near the beginning they are easier to uproot?

Your analogy is false. A farmer has to wait until the end of growing season to pull crops because the crops are not already developed. That does not apply to humans.

Aliens supposedly feed themselves with our emotions. The more primitive we are the more unable to control them (our emotions) due to our lack of knowledge. So the "younger" the crop, the more "nutritious" it is - to use your analogy.

Montalk wrote:

That does not disqualify Bramley, nor is the number of books one has written is a reliable measure of credibility.

But it could be a single contract. The fact that he claims that he started with one intention does not mean it is the Truth. You must know that.

Montalk wrote:
Truth Minion wrote:

And if aliens are a psy-op what makes you think that he is not a part of that?

Because I have done my research and what he presents fits the data points better than many other books on why aliens are here. Also, there are other books which are clearly psy-ops and they have common identifying characteristics that Bramley's book does not have. It's obvious after you become a seasoned resarcher into this stuff and know how to look for holes and reconcile paradoxes. That's why I'm pointing out to you some further sources for your research. Well, assuming you are still up for researching some more.

I have read his book. In fact his book was the first one that I read. It does have some interesting theories in it. But it does not explain the question that I am putting forward.

Montalk wrote:
Truth Minion wrote:

Anyone can claim anything. It does not mean what they claim is true.

That is stating the obvious, but implying something false. What you are implying is that I think "Gods of Eden" is true solely because some guy named William Bramley claimed it. If so, then you are mistaken. I value the book because its claims are explanatory, correlative, interesting, and provide a set of working hypotheses that work well.

But they are still hypothesis.

It does not explain the questions that I am putting out here. And that is why I am making them.  Had he answered them, I would not be posting here.

Montalk wrote:
Truth Minion wrote:

And that is my point. If advanced technology is being used nowadays covertly - and not so covertly: like tasers - what prevented them from using it in the past? NOTHING.

You contradict yourself by admitting that advanced technology is being used covertly nowadays. If so, then mainstream technology today is less advanced in comparison. Why? For the same reason that mainstream technology of the Dark and Middle Ages was less advanced than it could have been, less advanced than any covert technologies employed back then. And the reason, as I explained before, is that the permissibility of the proliferation of a particular technology depends entirely on the context of the age in which it is used. Polymer handguns are permissible today because it fits into the context of modern technology. But if permissible today, then not in the Middle Ages when polymer technology was unknown.

I do not contradict myself. I said that there are covert and not so covert technologies that are being used today. Why didn't they get to use them back then? All that they needed to have was one "leader" asking for the technologies that they displayed.   After all they deal with one-on-one "free-will" agreements (or so it is claimed). Then those technologies - which would have been seen as "god like" could have been used by their human-minions to do "miracles" and the ignorant, highly religious monkeys would have believed them. And would have agreed to do whatever they asked them to do.

Or do you believe that their level of discernment was bigger than ours?

Isn't that what it is taught to us? That we must have KNOWLEDGE to be effective?

WHY would they wait until we could have this knowledge easier as we are able to have today, instead of convincing us very easily otherwise back then?

Completely absolutely UN-LOGICAL.

Montalk wrote:

In the past, there weren't 6 billion people. There was no global government. There was no surveillance technology. The "crops" were not yet ripe for harvest. Enslaving such a world would have been more a liability than an asset. But today we are getting pretty close to maturing. Not only that, but an impending dimensional Shift would impose an urgent deadline for the final phases of the operation.

The answers to your questions exist, but not within the perimeter of your assumptions. The level of oppression we are talking about is far more complex; it involves layers of control that go beyond the physical. Do you have any idea how conquest is done on the metaphysical, occult, hyper-dimensional scale? A conquest of minds and souls, one that obeys metaphysical laws while operating within the physical environment? It is a more delicate process than brute physical oppression. There are subtleties here not to be overlooked. For more on these subtleties, I recommend reading the Allies of Humanity books -- the first one is a free PDF.  I'd be glad to discuss this further after you've done more research and contemplation on the subtleties of what's involved.

I do not believe the crops were not ready to be harvested. They were more impressionable. More ignorant. More primitive than we are.

That there were not 6 billion people back then does not matter. What we hear is that they want to diminish the number o people on the planet in order for it to be more manageable. Why would then they wait until we were about this number so that they would depopulate us? So that they could have a big-bang-like "orgasm"? That does not sound like the "practical reptilians" that I have been reading about.

Now regarding the occult, hyper-dimentional scale... WHY do we need to change the old, trusted and true concept of EVIL to a completely proof-less story of "aliens"?

Would not be that helping TPTB in implementing their oppressive EVIL plans?

With Tesla-like technology they can pretend to materialize everything and anything. They have done it in the latest American Idol putting up Elvis on the screen - were the September 11 "attacks" the same kind of illusion optics?  We will never know due to the passivity of the american public.

Again, I have read the link provided - thank you very much for the consciousness-expansion opportunity - and gave you my opinion about it. I have to reply to your reply but that will have to wait.

I just wanted to reply this one first. As it was in the line. Time-line that is.

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Truth Minion wrote:

It just doesn't make sense. We should be living in high tech oppressive societies by now. And the fact that we aren't brings up red flags to the story.

I believe the majority of the world whether they realise it or not, ARE living in an oppressed society. The fact that it may not by high tech doesn't mean anything, because the end result is still the same.

Vincit omnia Veritas: Truth conquers all.

39 Reply by Truth Minion (edited by Truth Minion 2007-06-09 19:04:40)

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matt_d82 wrote:

I believe the majority of the world whether they realise it or not, ARE living in an oppressed society. The fact that it may not by high tech doesn't mean anything, because the end result is still the same.

It means a lot IF we are to assume that our problems reside with "the aliens".

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Oh well I don't see our problems residing with the aliens.  I don't see our problems residing with the PTWB (powers that wanna be).  Until the individual takes responsibility for self there's no way a collective evolution can take place.  The problem resides individually first.  But personally I don't see it as problems.  It's just growth.  We all gotta learn that if we don't take responsibility then someone else will and we may not always like the outcome.

As far as the question of technology why waste energy when it wasn't/isn't necessary.  Humans have proven themselves to be quite capable of creating their own cages and residing within.  A few hints are given to those prone to seek power over others, some burning bushes, a bunch of fear and guilt and viola.  The energy input is minimal while the output has probably exceeded expectations.

That's of course going on the presumption that aliens exist and are interfering with human affairs.

41 Reply by DasMoose (edited by DasMoose 2007-06-09 21:09:15)

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Thanks Zenerg for the nice posting on Vaccime's latest thread; it's such a beautiful contrast. It only takes one person to go within and hold that unity vibe for it to permeate into others hearts. It's such a whole and limitless perspective, you know? It is disarming to those with suspect agendas, or more appropriately those parts within us that vibe to that level, that need this level to maintain control of us. It frees those with ears to understand from being a match to it on any level, inner or outer, and that's a gift, and instead brings us right back to our centers, and as you shared, where we want to be going; within, into our hearts where our true hope really lives.  I love your soft and clear energy in these posts, a pleasure to read and I'm grateful, well done. 

Much Love, Dasmoooose

"We are always more afraid than we wish to be, but we can always be braver than we expect." 
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42 Reply by mandalis (edited by mandalis 2007-06-09 22:32:26)

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lhs wrote:

.........hey 'mandalis'........what's up brother........what do you need beside the obvious..........you lose your kid...........too much goin on up top left..........how about your ground............have you been a disciplined angel............what kind of feeding habits are you allowing yourself to conduct...........what brings you here...........easy prey upon unmanned grounds.........how about your sleep habits.........you haven't been answering my messages........i've been ringing you dude.........are you temporaily cutoff by chance.........i know why i'm scared do you why you are........i do.........and how about you leaving your dna all over the place.........where is one to start with all this.........maybe the subconscious tunnelling of self..........i bet you got a block comrade.........i'm almost sure that if i brand my initials deeply into that bothersome block you may be able to reconnect to Source.......i may even get a medal for performing so........what do you feel.........probaly can't at the moment......i understand.......i plan on remedying so for so in the name of Service..........i'm wounded, bored, and looking for an op........you rememeber.......not the old stuff........you know......like cuting off another man's genitals in front of his comrades.........burning down forests to light a cigarrette........gutting animals while their still alive.........all that good stuff and it's never ending supply of loosh........you remember........you were once more deeply asleep than you are at the moment........those were the days yet no more so..........we've proven that the warrior projection of self don't work........it's a cop out.......so is preying on the brave humans that did'nt have to experience this and set out on the only true Path there is..........the ones that went inside and directly into the horror........you and i are a bit different........i can tell you live at your mother's place with a full fridge and a computer at the ready........you see i'm in your body right now and so me and you are talking one to one.........we're going to continue so off line in one form or the other........allow these people to do their work......you and i are small coin compared to what will be moving through these channells in years to come..........in the meantime we need to get you reconnected with Source........that just happens to be my world........what i do and what i am.........we need to work from a remotley different angle in a different place so to speak than this.......in the meantime you can save some time by researching my posts on how to stop your head from buzzing........maybe you can eventually write of your experience so these good people can finally solve their equation..........outofmaya@hotmail.com.........come directly to me son, your wasting others time here as you know...........Namaste///

my apologies to everyone else on this forum for posting a response to a personal question off topic  ...

lhs:

your problem is that you have failed to differentiate between first and second order simulacrum ...  you may believe what is said in Ecclesiastes that the simulacrum is never what hides the truth -- that the truth hides the fact that there is none, and that therefore the simulacrum is true -- the first original may determine the second order and not the other way around as iterations cannot encompass a fractal ...  it may seem different for a while, but what goes around always comes around since all lines are really only arcs ...  while things may seem different for a while, it's just your inability to see the moment as part of the overall pattern ...  as it goes ahead and keeps running itself, it always repeats ...

you may think we're brothers, but we're not ...  you may think my needs are obvious, but they aren't ...  you may think may children are lost, but they're not ...  you may think i don't sleep and eat well, but i do ...  you may think i haven't been answering you, but i have, consider yourself warned ...  you may think i'm cut off, but i'm not, i'm beta testing spaghetti code - to use old programmer slang ...  you may think i'm scared, but i'm not ...  you may think you can afford to bet that i have a block, but you can't ...  you may think we're 'comrades' however let me assure you without equivocation, reservation, or hesitation that we're not as communism is not something i am capable of allowing to exist for more than just the moment in order to prove a thesis about it's inherit flaw ...  you all think that your medals make you war heroes, but they don't, as you're traitors and war criminals whom owe a debt that shall not be forgotten ...  you may think i can't feel but i can - perfectly - as always ... you may think i can't cut off your genitals, but i can ...  you may think i won't cut off your genitals, but i will if you insist ...  you may think the warrior may be defeated, yet the warrior shall never be  ...  you may think your path is true, but it isn't ...  you may think i didn't fill my mother's fridge in the first place but i always did until she died ...  you may think she was honest, but she wasn't, and it's not my fault ...  you may you can elevate yourself above me, but you cannot ...  you may think i can be disconnected from source but i can't ...  you may think i am small coin but i'm not, not by the longest of shots ...  you may think my head is buzzing, but it isn't ...  you may think you have a solution, but you only have a problem ...  you may think i have a problem, but i don't ...  you may think i don't have a solution, but i do ...  you may think equations have solutions, but they don't ...  you may think integers are not variables but they are ...  you may think algebra and calculus is geometry, but they aren't ...  you may think that the circumference may escape the center, yet it won't ...  you may think i am not bored having my time wasted, but i am ...  you may think it will 'help' if i 'listen' to someone else, but it won't ...  however, you are correct about where you are ...  enjoy while you can since what goes around comes around and you will be getting yours! smile

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Oh well I don't see our problems residing with the aliens.  I don't see our problems residing with the PTWB (powers that wanna be).  Until the individual takes responsibility for self there's no way a collective evolution can take place.  The problem resides individually first.  But personally I don't see it as problems.  It's just growth.  We all gotta learn that if we don't take responsibility then someone else will and we may not always like the outcome.

As far as the question of technology why waste energy when it wasn't/isn't necessary.  Humans have proven themselves to be quite capable of creating their own cages and residing within.  A few hints are given to those prone to seek power over others, some burning bushes, a bunch of fear and guilt and viola.  The energy input is minimal while the output has probably exceeded expectations.

That's of course going on the presumption that aliens exist and are interfering with human affairs.

i really like that expression , PTWB

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DasMoose wrote:

Thanks Zenerg for the nice posting on Vaccime's latest thread; it's such a beautiful contrast. It only takes one person to go within and hold that unity vibe for it to permeate into others hearts. It's such a whole and limitless perspective, you know? It is disarming to those with suspect agendas, or more appropriately those parts within us that vibe to that level, that need this level to maintain control of us. It frees those with ears to understand from being a match to it on any level, inner or outer, and that's a gift, and instead brings us right back to our centers, and as you shared, where we want to be going; within, into our hearts where our true hope really lives.  I love your soft and clear energy in these posts, a pleasure to read and I'm grateful, well done. 

Much Love, Dasmoooose

"or more appropriately those parts within us that vibe to that level"

That is so true.  What I mostly post is my own conversations with myself about the things I'm working on refining.  I post what I'm hoping the end results are.  I'm posting my goals.  Doing that adds a layer of responsibility to myself.  Sharing it in public gives me that much more pressure to ensure I live up to what I say.  It can also provide encouragement to others as you have shared above.

Love is a soft gentle touch.  And I don't always live up to my own standards.  But everytime I fail to reach the mark I learn more and then can share more, making more connections with other-selves, and they recipricate, and then we are better able to help each other reach our goals.

And your posting this (and other's that have posted acknowledgements) adds so much encouragement for me to try even harder, to dig even deeper, to push even farther.

Yes, that's a tear of joy in my eye.

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DasMoose wrote:

It's such a whole and limitless perspective, you know?

It's like waking up from a lifelong coma.