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Ive been working in the garden, communing with the devas.  Nothing better than getting your hands in the dirt and connecting with the earth after a cold winter. Watched the birds busily building their nest, bees busily buzzing around, (try and say that fast five times!:D)  Woke up to SNOW this morning!  UGH!!!

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
Ad Verecundiam

17 (edited by LightningEye 2007-04-07 05:33:26)

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Epiphany Spree!

Thought-provoking post, Zenden. Thanks for sharing. You know, even if you have a generator, your net connection would probably still be down, unless you live in a metro area. Free WIFI is a godsend. Now if the whole metro area's power is down, then we may have a problem...
    And I had no idea you lived with an inventor! That's awesome! I love inventing! Though I haven't really gotten into it yet. What has he invented?
    As far as bonds and investments go, I'm tempted to say, "Cash 'em in Dec 20, 2012", but that's silly. Everyone knows the Fish Apocalypse is coming in 2048 anyway... wink I just love saying that outloud. Fish Apocalypse!
    You also mention that you're telepathic. That's amazing, too. How did you discover this ability?
   Concerning threes. When I realized that we're on the 3rd planet in a universe with 3 spatial dimensions, with three main atomic subparticles... did you know that jokes work best in 3 parts? Reminds me about that thread about the symmetry between the ratio of the moon size to the sun. Can anyone tell me what that thread was called?

Could you describe the symbol you saw? Was it basic geometric? I'm curious now.

Natural Mystic, I loved you what you said here:

And doing what thou loves, well, there ain't anything better - except maybe when the doing becomes being, then love becomes sacred to the self

Wow. And montalk, too.

Realized that his philosophy of freedom (true freedom based on intuitive thinking) can be reworked and updated through quantum physics and timeline dynamics, and that this would form the ultimate basis of truth analysis and what the Allies of Humanity call "Knowledge." So it was a week of epiphanies for me smile

Really looking forward to that article. smile

As for me, I've been really productive over the past week. My site might even be ready before the 11th. By the way, gods shouldn't smoke. roll

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Well, I jumped to nightlife! big_smile

Really, it has been a while since I havent get out at nights and I realized that Istanbul is definitely out of control! Wow! I can only compare this city to New York - as I only saw heavy traffic at 4 a.m. in these cities. So been to some rock concerts, pubs, wine houses etc.

And I watched Aronofsky's The Fountain. And I remembered Zenden whole movie - especially the Inquisitor scenes. I even thought "let me start a thread about what we've done on NR vacation and tell Zenden to watch The Fountain". And guess what? I could only enter to the net today (busy nightlife side effect: can not deal with internet in the same time) and saw this thread has began by Zenden herself! lol

Change we must, to live again
- Jon Anderson

19 (edited by Natural Mystic 2007-04-08 22:09:01)

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More on LotR from http://www.redicecreations.com/forum/vi … .php?t=294

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/ngbeyond/rings/images/ring_image.jpg

Mark wrote:

When we are initiated into the world of symbols, we can begin to glimpse the inner structure of the power elite. We trace back the lines of the pyramid to the all-seeing eye. We have awakened to a larger truth.

And this revelation can be truly frightening. These people, or reptilian beings, have enormous, seemingly unlimited power and an evil agenda.

But there are more than dark forces that operate on these fundamental levels of reality. We can turn our newfound vision to more positive messages...

I am exploring what I believe is a set of inner mysteries contained within Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings. I believe Tolkien (consciously or more likely not) has set forth a path out of our current dilemma. This is a myth for our times (and perhaps a pre-diluvian history as well).

The end of the novel sees the phallic tower fall and all-seeing eye of Sauron (sauros, Greek for lizard) destroyed. And this was accomplished by an individual act. Tolkien's fantasy on a deeper level is the personal journey to wholeness.

We, each of us, possess a ring of power. When we wear this ring, we become invisible, disappear into an alternate reality, one just slightly out-of-phase with our true nature. We are subject to the control and manipulation of the eye.

But when we resist its temptation for security and freedom from fear, and we remove the ring, we begin to live an authentic life. We become the person we were born to be.

This ring is the hard wiring that allows us to be controlled. Destroy it, and we not only free ourselves, but we indeed destroy the entire structure of power. A balance returns, a King returns, You return.

This is an individual act, no movement or revolution or religion. Of course we can help and provide fellowship and support. The ring is, for want of a better concept, your ego, your false identity. It was forged in your pit of fear, in your Mt. Doom. You are the true Lord of the Ring.

Tolkien has put forth some stages of this alchemical process that we can all follow, and although I have not completely fleshed out this Great Work, I believe I have made some interesting allegorical discoveries...

Let’s take a look at The Lord of the Rings and see if we cannot uncover its more esoteric teachings. As we discover the deeper levels, we can begin to see a process emerge.

The first and most obvious question is what does the ring itself represent? Clearly, I contend, the ring represents the ego.

The ring is an ancient symbol of links and bonding; it simultaneously binds and isolates. It is also a circle which delineates an outside from an inside. This is a perfect symbol for the ego, a ring of consciousness, a ring of self-awareness. It binds us inside, and also isolates us from something greater outside.

After we are born, we have no sense of separateness from our mother. We are simply an extension of her, a relationship termed a dyad. It is not until years later, when we are children does the separate identity emerge. As the Jungian people tell us, this is all very normal and necessary for our development.

I believe that this defining moment, the emergence of the ego for the first time, deeply traumatizes all of us. We are now separate from the world, insecure. Fear is unleashed and its solution with it – Power. As ego selves we seek to acquire power to control the base anxiety of this spiritual separation. We begin to build our own tower of Babel, our identity, the “I,” the tower of Sauron.

We are now the center of this ring of awareness, the eye of a storm, and we build straight up out of it. Later we define ourselves by our likes and dislikes; the car we drive; the clothes we wear; the manner in which we earn a living. We construct our own Shire of security. We are in control; we wield power in varying degrees.

Or so we believe…

What does Tolkien tell us about the ring of power?

It was forged by Sauron in the fires of Mount Doom using the darkest of magic. It secretly unites all the other rings under its single, indomitable power. Anyone who wears the ring obtains the power of invisibility, but also is cursed to forget to their true name. Wearing the ring keeps you young, in a sense. You fail to mature.

This is a good fit for the ego, born in the pit of fear, of doom, that we experience when our own rings are first forged. We believe we wield its power, but are in reality slaves to darker, more sinister worldly forces. When we wear the ring, when we identify only with our egos, our true nature disappears – we lose our true names. We are truly something much greater.

Finally, I believe this ego consciousness is foreign to us in a sense. It is the alien. What Tolkien is telling us, on another mythological level, is that in our pre-history, some discarnate reptilian beings introduced into our genetics this self-awareness Trojan Horse.

This race lives through us, through our false self. Imagine for a moment, that in each us lives a separate alien being. It speaks to us and tells us that it is indeed us, but it is not.

When we look outside of ourselves and begin to interpret occult symbolism, we pierce the veil of black magic being used to enslave us. This is akin to pointing out Mordor, the black land (Egypt?) to the Hobbits. The more you look the more you see, and before you know it, you stand at its gates trembling in fear. Its power appears boundless. This is a very frightening reality to apprehend.

Tolkien’s approach is to first awaken to our own internal hard wiring for this magic, this ring of power. This is exactly how The Lord of the Rings begins, with the identification of the ring of power. If we are not aware of it, we have no path, no story, and no redemption.

To begin this process, we must recognize that there is something inside of us that is dangerous, and separates us from some greater reality.

It is this separateness, this ring of false consciousness, that must be destroyed.

Alas to heal the world we first must heal ourselves...

Step 2 http://www.redicecreations.com/forum/vi … .php?t=306

So to recap: Tolkien’s ring represents the ego.

Step one of his path is to recognize that we too possess a ring of power, and that it ultimately must be destroyed to save the world.

(I contend that we have been altered to possess this false locus of consciousness, this Trojan Horse of alien awareness. It is this alien presence which has created the unbalance that we see all around us today.)

But unlike the ring, the ego is very difficult to isolate.

Where does it begin and end? How do we know when we are operating inside our ego (and thereby wearing the ring) and when we are not? In the story it is very clear. Frodo is either holding the ring at bay (outside his ego), or he wears it and disappears into this alien dimension.

Can we move as easily from the ring world as Frodo? Tolkien tells us this is a ring of power. How is the ego related to power?

I contend that power is our response to fear of the unknown borne from the isolation and separateness that the ego itself creates. Power is required to hold back the experience of fear, and fear of death, of course, is the paramount fear of Man. Note that when Frodo is afraid, he very much wants to wear the ring.

Power craves knowledge to build its tower walls, its security. And, as we know, knowledge is power. The ego feels secure in what it knows (good and evil), and insecure and fearful in what it doesn’t know. The lust for power, for more security, drives civilization itself.

Since the unknown is classically feminine, I contend the known, the ego’s realm, is masculine. Although the ring is circular, it is designed to go onto the finger, a phallic symbol. And the tower of Sauron is indeed a phallus. Even the structure of the ego pronoun “I” is phallic.

Before we were implanted with this alien consciousness, we were in a balanced relationship with the unknown, the greater feminine. We trusted in the land and our needs were provided. We lived in a paradise.

Tolkien’s story begins to sound more and more like the Fall.

We have been corrupted by the serpent Sauron in the form of a ring of power (knowledge). The ring enters the Shire (Eden) and the decision is made by Gandalf (spiritual guide) to leave.

Here again it is the serpent that corrupts the feminine.

So it may be much easier to know when we are outside of our ego than to know when we are operating from within it. Anytime we willingly face our fears of the unknown, and place our trust in something wholly unknowable, we have in essence rejected power and are holding our ring at bay.

But when we yield to fear, when we need to control all of the unknowns in our life, we slip on the ring and enter its dimension – a world in which control actually flows up to the capstone eye, the elite with tremendous power and black-magic money. Once Osiris was torn to pieces in the Egyptian myth, but in the modern world it is the feminine Isis that is torn into pieces of paper currency.

We become a cog in their machine. We one day find ourselves sitting in a mortgaged home, eating factory food and watching television. Secure, yes, but alive, questionable, and awake, no.

We are educated to see reality only literally, only through a masculine, rational and logical worldview. Her source code, her symbolic language is then used against us, coming at us under the radar of our limited awareness. The masculine power elite have appropriated the feminine’s powers for control and manipulation.

And all of this security only really serves to heightens and sharpen the fear. It is just under the surface of every moment of our lives. It lies beneath, a foundation of darkness. The land itself becomes black and dies, like Mordor (Mort-door, death’s door).

So, not only do we need to identify the ring of power, but we need to leave this Shire of false security. In the East, the practice of meditation is used to calm the mind and disengage the ego. Just sit.

But in the West it’s just the opposite or complementary path. In the West, we take the Journey of the Hero. We leave Eden, the Shire, our couches and go in search of our destiny and healing. This is a time in people’s lives that they remember as a trial and test of great courage.

These are the times we feel most alive!

That is the next step after we identify and isolate the ring of power. We must leave our realm of paradise, of security and risk the unknown. We must leave the Shire.

We, like the Tarot’s Fool, must take a journey. It need not be a physical trip necessarily, but our power-based security must be left behind. Turn off the TV; quit the job you’ve hated; leave the relationship that lacks love and offers only security.

We go to destroy the imbalance, the ring. And we do not travel alone…

http://intertwingled.net/images/lotr/The%20fellowship%20of%20the%20ring.jpg

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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Wow, Natural Mystic, that was beautifully realized and written. Thanks for posting it here!

"The most important decision you have to make is whether you live in a hostile or friendly universe."
~ Albert Einstein

The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. ~Marcel Proust

The evolution of humanity is an evolution of the heart. The path is through the heart.

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I am a keen gardener and have been busy planting all my crops, spreading compost and digging mainly. You just cant beat growing your own crops.
I love just being outside, growing stuff and messing about with soil and organic compounds smile

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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Hi Zenden, everybody - I missed the site, too, and realised there are only 5 web sites I go on nowadays, and two of them only post once a week. So I trimmed down my 'favourites' folder.. Then I started to spring clean out my house/life. Been selling stuff on EBay, doing VERY well with that, guitars, all my camera stuff etc, sold. Anything that doesn't sell goes straight to the tip. Been up and down to the tip last 10 days, another 6 bigs to go today!

As I get rid of stuff I release any karmic or emotional ties they hold on me.  EBay sales and remortgage helped me to pay off some big financial debts, just one left now.. YES!!.. Then I got all my old paperwork, all bank statements, loan details, letters, anything not in use or needed and went into the back garden , lit a few fire and burned the bloody lot..FANTASTIC feelings of release.

Finally, I've been reading Eckhard Tolles 'Stillness Speaks' (Free pdf file here) ..... http://www.esnips.com/doc/ca1c47e5-9a8d … ess_Speaks

Man, is that stuff good, getting onto the next level now with this stuff, I don't care what anyone else says, THIS is the secret.

So I missed NR, but I am real glad that you all went on vacation. big_smile

23 (edited by zenden 2007-04-09 14:39:16)

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oh my god Natural Mystic! wow--what info, im on it, and agree.  whew!  that was some post and i echo sowelu, thanks a ton for that.  tolkien KNEW, he just knew.  that all fits nicely and we could say, there's that darn trinity 3 thing again.  the id, the ego, and the superego, if one will, for a connotation of the/a '3' and theres all that, which may be the "shadow self/self"with the 'dark side' in there (only human, made that way) with the concepts of letting go (hey blue--ur spring cleaning, and ape doing his bike==spring cleaning, planting 'seeds') with the notions of recapitulatiion, acceptance, understanding, and forgiveness.  as it all works i guess, and up there in the concept of "THE Ring"--that binds, loved all that and have to study it closer.

and Lightning Eye--will get back to u but working almost every day, incl week-ends for 2 weeks (in the middle of it right now, but able to get on, and i gotta be home to search for it. working continues to be against my principles, as u know, but its cool, and will be over soon, and im barely doin it anymore as the ongoing gift to myself in this life--giving up all that--its ran its course, and im being set free, taking a LLOOONNGG time however, yet i'll 'GET ''ER DONE, goddamit).  i have to find where i got that symbol and reply back to more stuff in ur post.

and Feritciva--totally thank u man, for such a great referral, i been vibing that movie, EXACTLY and will get on that ASAP.  so thanks very much and for everything u said and posted, wow--we were telepathically doing something! = we were thinking like /by with like.  the neatest.  cant wait to see those scenes.  no kidding?! didnt even know that was in there, and been waitin for it on DVD. 

loved hearing what u did & said, belljar, pictus, Athenais (can really relate to ur "job"stories, omg, so glad ur in change now).  Barefoot, and treehugger with ur planting and gardening. and Blue, loved the cleaning and purifying idea, so great to get rid of crap.  have been planning (another synch) a spring bonfire to purge all that old records stuff too.  far-out.  and montalk--0h-man, ur new 2012 article is fantastic, and so accurate IMO, the best read yet lately on that subject.   it is "ït" in a nutshell.  very correct as seen by so many of us too.   will have to post timely soon, details of stuff we've been batting around.  thank god, the cosmos, for NR and its members/FRIENDS.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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You know, you don't need mind enhancing drugs to boost your mood/spirit.
Just  read one of Zendens posts. Magic. Thanks Zenden, I think you are the NR battery charger. Life is shit and then Zenden posts. he he he.

And Natural Mystic, I loved your post , especially

So, not only do we need to identify the ring of power, but we need to leave this Shire of false security. In the East, the practice of meditation is used to calm the mind and disengage the ego. Just sit.

But in the West it’s just the opposite or complementary path. In the West, we take the Journey of the Hero. We leave Eden, the Shire, our couches and go in search of our destiny and healing. This is a time in people’s lives that they remember as a trial and test of great courage.

These are the times we feel most alive!

That is the next step after we identify and isolate the ring of power. We must leave our realm of paradise, of security and risk the unknown. We must leave the Shire.

I never liked to believe that life was a game, but have realised that, once you can see through the illusion, there is a game, a quest, going on. When you are still in the illusion, the inference of a 'game' is annoying, frustrating and anethema. I was at the former stage for a while, so all I can offer is, if you still feel angry about life, stand back, don't take it so serious, there is a reason for everything and not all things are actually  'real'.

Take time to recognise your ego, call it an alien implant, a symbiont, a devil, a curse, the All Mighty God, Allah, whatever, it is just the animal we inhabit, we are all one, we are not the mard arsed, lard arsed beings we think we are. That is the hard part to understand, but do understand, that nothing can disturb us, not even death, we are infinite beings.

In the Lord of the Rings anology, whilst everyone sought the ring, victory was achieved by throwing the ring into the eternal flames of destiny.

My ring still burns, btw, I am just talking the talk. big_smile

25 (edited by zenden 2007-04-09 19:00:48)

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on briefly again and have so much to think of and post, so i guess this is as good a time as any to post this nicely written link, which is good explanation/EXPANSION of what Natural Mystic illucidated up there.  i have been saving it and want to do some work on it.  i believe, it will also illustrate some things/concepts of the 3 idea again.  the hero's journey.  roles.  since it was quoted particularly by Blue (a hero) i feel it could fit in here.  it explains alot, quite well.  always the archetypes influencing, but thats ok, really.  i like it that earth uses them.  there has to be a role explained, which fits in a story.  so symbolic, a short-cut to understanding, if u will.  illustrative of characteristics.  used for identification.  description.  if ever i get to visit other planets, as the me i know, then id love to hear how those souls on those other planets described their fellow beings, and the stories of the fears, their loves, their lives.   check out:  http://www.new-wisdom.org/Lectures/Part … 10608a.htm

it does cover many ppl in their earth life.  and its an ancient notion.  with the associated tasks described.  it fits for what i've gone thru in my growth, still growing and working on it, and reflecting.  this IS a journey.

Blue--ur too kind,  u know i adore u.  i wanna do more with this and apply it to the trinity 3 concept.  somehow, the roles correspond with the parts of the human psyche as mentioned briefly above.  since tolkien was such a fantastic story-teller, he knew, and incorporated these roles in his works.  it DOES work out in the end, because of FELLOWSHIP.  yes yes yes.  thats how it will all shake out.  in the unity.  many "trines" that have worked on self, join up as a whole.  somehow.  u can feel it all around.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

26 (edited by Tom Paine 2007-04-09 19:32:46)

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Blue--

zenden is more than a battery charger, she's damn near a Solar Deity
when it comes to giving us a supercharged blast of cosmic energy.

All of our intellectual musings do nothing without the emotional fuel of

                                 ENTHUSIASM!

Better check your surge protectors, this chick fries computer chips!

Tom Paine

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Very interesting about Lord Of The Rings, but let me thinking where to fit Gollum
into that...

Bye, Pictus

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28 (edited by proto 2007-04-10 09:35:25)

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Hey! I like everyone's response here, especially Zenden's! It put a real smile on my face because I missed this group too and now we're back on.

While on my break, I bought this book while I was in Jersey called "Vibrational Medicine, 3rd edition" by Richard Gerber, M.D. Very cool book and I immersed myself with it. There's a chapter in the book that talks about crystals and to be honest, I never really cared for crystals before reading this chapter. I thought they were just rocks, blah, you know. But then, he spoke about Atlantis (another subject I didn't care for prior to reading it) and was pretty amazed...at first. I have no idea why I got the sudden interest with this subject, maybe because his writing style is great and "something" clicked in all honesty, like I knew about this, deep down. I questioned myself with the sudden fascination and borderline obsession with it.

The whole Atlantis thing made me think a lot, thinking and wondering if I had a past life there or what have you. I then went on NR search to see if anything was written about it. I came across Dolores Cannon's "The Convulted Universe", since she speaks about Atlantis and subjects who went under hypnosis to tell about their past. At first, while reading this at the bookstore, I thought "wow, this is amazing!", but something internally just felt repulsed by it for some reason. I felt like I was going off track with my train of thought and felt like I was going to go crazy because it was just too vivid for me.  I don't know whether if it's because I have a too vivid of an imagination or lived there, but I had to put it down and felt like crap for two hours, think about our history and our future. Fun, however, heavy duty ass material for me to handle at the moment, since I can be a bit sensitive to things like that and I have to be careful. 

Though, there is good news. After going down the escalator, feeling a tad morbid, I would see people , going about their business, buying books, giggling with their friends and mentally said to myself that this life ain't that bad and quite fun. I would look at these random strangers and just feel such an inner peace, knowing we're all in this together and garnering a genuine appreciation, empathy and just a general "I'm ok"  with people, a feeling that it just energized me. Of course, I didn't negate that there are people who are jerks and stuff, but I don't know, I just accepted it. There's a lot of ugly things down in 3D, but I'm sorry, there is a lot of great things about it and I'm pretty glad that I'm alive to be even a part of it all.

The past two days, I surprisingly enjoyed mundane tasks that I hate to do, like...laundry(HATE IT, but now, it's kind of relaxing), going to the bank, faxing documents and helping out my dad with his job. I guess something snapped and I'm just tired of being down in the dumps and JUST WASTING AWAY. I have control over myself, basically and I had a fun, kick ass atittude about it because that certainly helps! I also "re-discovered" THINKING FOR MYSELF as in a Higher Self, God, Angels, Jesus, etc. Instead of reading a book, trying to find answers, I figured "let me relax, it'll come to me and I'll be fine". I love books ,but I was def. imbalanced and relying too much on books, articles and not myself. Quite liberating.

And now I'm here, having a renewed appreciation for NR (I was always grateful, but just more grateful hehe), you guys and my 3D existence and all that comes with it, for better or for worse. The "negs" don't like when people aren't on a lower frequency and that's great for me and sucks for them! And I feel great and could get used to this high frequency mindset/being and want to be around those who on that wavelength, just having fun with life and not the repetitive programmed "same old, same old" bullsh*t because I'm quite bored of that, it's puts me to sleep.

So that's what happened while NR was on vacation!

"We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves strong. The amount of work is the same."
– Carlos Castaneda

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In terms of internet activity, I went on some other discussion forums and sites. big_smile

nothing is sacred, the deconstructing and letting-be of all things, clarity of sight, the realization of no-thing(s), Nothing

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proto wrote:

Instead of reading a book, trying to find answers, I figured "let me relax, it'll come to me and I'll be fine". I love books ,but I was def. imbalanced and relying too much on books, articles and not myself. Quite liberating.

Hey proto I've come to know that as well. I'm on my way to being independent and not so dependent on other sources. Other sources can elevate you to another way of thinking but I think it's temporary if you don't ground it in yourself. To ground it in yourself you need to understand it and then you can absorb it and it will be part of you. On a side note, I'm also coming to understand prayer and using that often to clarify my intentions.

Well my life went along as usual during the NR vacation but recently I've come across some Orin guided meditations on www.demonoid.com (a bitTorrent site - or in other words a downloading files site). If you don't know who Orin is he is a higher dimensional entity who is channelled by Sanaya Roman. You can learn a little more from this site: http://www.orindaben.com/

Also be sure to check out the Thaddeus Music Listening room on the site! The music is great for relaxing background music and meditation music. Thaddeus is an Angel who is also channelled by Sanaya.

"The universe is on fire with wonder, beauty, and ecstasy." - From the Undines to Humanity