The great global warming swindle. (Page 2 of 4)

Hehe, I didn't mean that to be a rebuttal Pinky, more or less a follow-up to my previous post. Just an attempt at dialogue

This is a touchy subject, and I agree the planet is headed toward uncertainties, but alot of info I've come across also says we are just now coming out of the last ice age. So it could well be that very little of this has to do with humans.

I meant 'instant explanation' to pertain to political motives only. I do remember first hearng the term global warming in the late 80s. Depleted ozone was the real big deal then, not GW. Science was indeed talking about it long before any politicians went to the stump with it. I see things like chemtrail spraying having a much more serious impact than anything we may be doing at ground level, and the simple fact that this is still unknown to so many people means we can't put an accurate equation together as to the real causes and solutions.

Yes, it may be keeping more UV radiation out, but may be keeping more heat in as well, which would mean it's pointless, unless they mean to accelerate
GW to advance their agenda.

In any case, 95% don't even acknowledge it, so they'll be that much more likely to believe that it's their hairspray, or their car that's responsible for this swift upturn in weather catastrophes. I don't have any answers, but this has been politicized only recently, so that smells more than fishy.....                            J

I'm really sorry, ape-x.  I didn't mean to get all defensive.  You're right... this issue is a sensitive topic for both sides (there's probably more than just two sides to this issue, too). 

I've also been thinking that both solar variances and chemtrails have had much to do with this "greenhouse" effect.  Also, the hundreds of airplanes every day are pumping god knows how much burned fuel directly into the atmosphere. 

It really makes me mad when the politicians want to point the finger right at the average citizen... it's what they always do (just like a "big brother").  They are the ones who've had the biggest hand in all of this, yet they make the innocent feel guilty.  We are not the ones who approve or deny new energy sources from being manufactured for sale to the mass public-- they are.  We buy what they approve for sale, and it just so happens that they've known all along what their oil based fuel has been doing, but they're greedy bastards that didn't care.   Now they're finding ways to procrastinate a solution.  I think you're right, ape-x, about it being to accelerate GW's agenda, but I think this agenda isn't his idea, alone.  I think this agenda has been in the works for decades(like feedbaxlow said), and whatever they've been trying to achieve is nearly here, so they're acting as if there really isn't a problem.  Feedbaxlow, I think you're right about all of this being put together as a way to confuse the issue, in favor of the energy interests.  (and all the other big businesses, like the pharmaceutical and religious empires)

I also agree with you, feedbaxlow, that this all has to come to a head, but I wonder how it's all going to play out in the end.  Are we going to be "harvested" or destroyed to make way for another version of terrestrial that will be called "human"?  Or are they, as some have stated, attempting to bring about biblical prophecy?  What will become of us, and will there be anywhere that's safe to hide when the crap hits the fan?  Those are the questions that plague my conspiracy-addled mind lately. 

Okay... I think I've reached my "off-the-deep-end" conspiracy theory limit for today... Off I go now, to continue polluting with my swine-ish "western" life.  Ciao!

lol, GW global warming, not George W.
By GW agenda, I mean just what you said above, where they can either bring about armageddon, or at least tax us as an armageddon 'preventative'.  But GWB definetely fits in there, somewhere!     J

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The u s government doesn't care what the fundamentalist Christians think.

OK if you saw the latest "Newsweek" magazine: this whole show and movement was put together by Exxon!
More disinformation for your ass.
I can't believe barefoot doc and others fell for this shit.
This will set us back another 3 years because people thinking these scientists were actually saying what their research showed rather than saying what the producers of this fakumentary (Exxon) wanted them to say in exchange for a check.
Many will now repeat these baseless questionings about whether c02 actually leads to greenhouse gas/global warming etc.
This topic shows how quickly and easily people are disinformed

OK I read it.
It's nonsense.
He's driven by some other agend if it isn't just selling his hokum DVD's
"Megiddo" Armageddeon prophecy and global conspiracy.
Bible boy. crazy talk.
He's a theocrat with some connections to conspiracy more like.
You trust a site like that? help yourself to nonsense and nonscience.
   
These are the "myths" he claims his new dvd explodes:

      Global warming is causing all the “abnormal” weather we are currently experiencing

      CO2 has caused warming and cooling of the earth over the past several hundred thousand years
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      CO2 is the most important greenhouse gas in the atmosphere
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      The earth has had a steady temperature for the past thousand years and then suddenly skyrocketed to record levels in the late twentieth and early twenty-first centuries.
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      The rapid temperature increase in the late twentieth century is evidence of global warming.
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      The number and severity of hurricanes and other violent weather is escalating.
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      The International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is an unbiased scientific body.
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      • The Antarctic and Greenland ice caps are melting and will cause ocean levels to rise 20 feet.
(i guess all the photos showing it melting quicker and quicker are faked huh?)
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      The polar bears are threatened with extinction as the polar ice cap breaks up
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      CO2 is a pollutant and its emission should be constrained
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      CO2 has no benefits
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      There is scientific consensus that CO2 is driving modern global warming and the science is settled.

Right.
The last one is the only one that has any merit to question but he's not presenting anything substantial
He's just casting doubt and clouding the issue.

He says these things and produces no evidence onsite to back it up.
you must buy his DVD's to find out.
but there is nothing here that suggests he's done any serious research.
His debunking is nothing but some saying everything that makes sense is wrong.
I don't buy this.
It's typical corporate/right wing/church boy nonsensical baloney

tell me why you find this site interesting?

Well you seem to have taken the debate to heart feedbaxlow.... I'll bite.

You assume much from my short post above, concerning my placing any emphasis on the author's belief system, or the ?site? the link was sourced from?

Don't see how that matters....

" from piece:

"However the siren song of big research grants and even bigger prestige has sucked many scientists down the road of poliicizing their science"

Amen

Science (orthodox) lives within the box of it's own disbeliefs, are you willing to rely on that structure to make accurate forecasts in any vain? I am NOT.

I am not trying to convert anyone, in order to have real debate, ALL evidence must be considered.

Did you ever hear about the fire in a coalmine in China that burned for over 450 years? It may actually still be burning.

Can you imagine the emissions from millions of tons burning for over four centuries.... humans worldwide have probably done far less than that one
event.... this is the kind of thing I weigh recent history against, everyone is entitled to their own viewpoint. The evidence I've seen so far says humans being the causative factor for GW is a hoax.                                                    J