Topic: Contradiction of Conspiracies... Farm Vs. Genocide

Hello all,

I've been thinking about a big contradiction amidst two models of what's going on here on planet Earth.

First, consider the humans as cattle/energy farm model. As we all know, this is the idea that humans are being used as cattle to feed something we can't quite see, but is obviously very powerful as it continues to shape our global civilization. Conventional wisdom hails it as 'development' as agricultural or primitive communities are turned into grids, when farmers are turned into rats, and people move off the land and into factories and offices. While 'development' can certainly be explained purely by intrinsic capitalist greed, it certainly has the affect of broadening the 'human farm' aspects of our lives as humans on this planet.

It is impossible for me to deny that the above is going on. I see it getting more and more engrained every day, as the second and third worlds become 'developed' and people get more and more plugged into the matrix of computers, telivisions, and bluetoothe headsets.

The second model I wish to consider is the idea of vast population 'culling.' This theory seems most popular amongst conservative patriot types who are concerned about the NWO elite turning the world into a paradise for themselves, which neccesitates the deaths of billions of people. This idea is common enough amongst the rest of the conspiracy/metaphysics croud too. The evidence that supports this model includes the proliferance of underground bases, man-made diseases, orchestrated genocidal wars, apocolyptic disinfo, and unnatural disasters.   

I think the evidence is very strong for this second model to be a possibility, though it might not have the footing of the first.

So if these two models are indeed a reflection of what's going on here, it points out an interesting confict of interest. Why would the powers that be who act has people-hearders also want to kill off the population? I've never heard of a rancher exterminating his own livestock, unless it's diseased or some government economic policy orders it. It doesn't make sense that the same group would want to farm humans and kill them off at the same time.

What comes to my mind is the buffalo extermination that happened in the states. The invading whites thought of a great way to kill off their indigenious enemies: Kill off the buffalo, their source of food!

Maybe this applies to our entire planet. We tend to agree that some group  is farming the humans on this planet. If said group is fed, then said group is stronger. What if you wanted to weaken this group, in order to remove its power, kill it, or what have you? I think depriving it of its food-source would be a good start. How could the negs operate without their abundance of loosh?

I'm not advocating a 'culling' of the population. That's not my place. It is interesting though to consider. And to beings who are supperior to us, good or bad, killing off 6 billion little humans would perhaps be a worthy sacrifice in order to starve the enemy.

An interesting idea, no?

Mencius

Re: Contradiction of Conspiracies... Farm Vs. Genocide

You've read Far Journeys by Monroe right? Didn't his book answer your question?

Re: Contradiction of Conspiracies... Farm Vs. Genocide

belljar wrote:

You've read Far Journeys by Monroe right? Didn't his book answer your question?

Sounds like a pretty awesome rock ballad, man.

Never did read the book though.

Re: Contradiction of Conspiracies... Farm Vs. Genocide

I've had the thoughts along the same line before, but haven't come up with any conclusions.  The only other thing I can think of is that they want to weed out some for "quality control" purposes.  Similar to sowing seed, then weeding out the weaker seedlings as they threaten to choke out the good ones.

5 (edited by Adama 2007-02-01 14:45:16)

Re: Contradiction of Conspiracies... Farm Vs. Genocide

I live in Africa and conspiration theories are very funny to hear from here.
Actually when you live with people who have no money, you will see that all mechanisms described in conspiration theories can be found in the scale of the family (in which most people don't care about computers or Israel and Iran), it is just how human works!
We "rich" people could just make it on a bigger scale!
These behaviours, wether they are imprinted by aliens, parasites or "whatever comes from the outside" or not are always growing when  there is a lack of love or self esteem...
We can watch these predators behaviours as "mushrooms', they are not good or bad, that's how they live:on other's decomposition in humidity and darkness;)
So no need to be afraid of anything, we can just focus on bringing self esteem and peace wherever we find a dark place.

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I like your message adama, but to try and answer Mencius's question, I believe the best answer that I have seen given for this is that they can kind of store up the loosh if you will.  Kind of like harvest it all now and maybe store it in a grainary type concept.  These beings also live outside of linear time so they could maybe split up the loosh and give it to future and past negs.  Who knows when you think in 4d terms and they live in 5d or greater the possibilities are endless.

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Re: Contradiction of Conspiracies... Farm Vs. Genocide

Farm for ordinary nurishment/strenghtening of higher density parasites.
Genocide for more nurishment/strenghtening, more especially if it's done near a 'portal', in Israel and the Middle East for instance.

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Maybe we're more like dairy cows. First we make milk, then we make leather shoes smile

Also, this from the Cassiopaean material came to mind:

Q: (L) Going back to the beings that absorb nutrients through
their pores, what kind of beings are they?
A: Both those that you describe as the Lizard Beings and
those you describe as the Grays. This is necessary for their
survival in each case. Even though the Grays are not natural
parts of the short wave cycle, but rather an artificial creation
by the Lizard Beings, but nevertheless they mimic the
nourishment functions.
Q: (L) Since they are artificially created by the Lizard beings,
does this mean they have no souls?
A: That's correct.
Q: (L) How do they function? Are they like robots?
A: They function by interaction with the souls of the Lizard
beings. This technology is extremely far in advance of that
with which you are familiar, but the Gray beings are not only
built and designed artificially, but also function as a projection
mentally and psychically of the Lizard beings. They are like
four dimensional probes.
Q: (L) As four dimensional probes, what are their
capabilities?
A: They have all the same capabilities of the Lizard beings
except for the fact that their physical appearance is entirely
different and they do not have souls of their own and also
their biological structure is internally different. But, their
functioning is the same and in order to remain as projection
beings they also must absorb nutrients in the same fashion
both spiritually and physically as the Lizard beings do. The
reason the negative energy is necessary fuel is that the Lizard
beings and the Grays are both living in the fourth level of
density, which is the highest level of density one can exist in
serving only self as these entities do. So, therefore, they must
absorb negative energy because the fourth level of density is
the highest example of self service which is a negative thought
pattern. The fourth level of density is a progression from the
third level of density. With each progression upward in
density level, the existence for the individual conscious entity
becomes less difficult. So, therefore, the fourth level of density
is less difficult to exist in that the third, the third is less difficult
than the second and so on. It puts less strain on the soul
energy. Therefore, beings existing on the fourth level of
density can draw from beings existing on the third level of
density in terms of absorption of negative soul energy.
Likewise, beings on the third level of density can draw from
beings on the second level of density, though this type of
drawing is not as necessary but is done. This is why human
beings existing on the third level frequently cause pain and
suffering to those of the animal kingdom who exist on the
second level of density because you are drawing negative soul
energy as beings who primarily serve self, as you do, from
those on the second level, and on the first, and so on. Now,
as you advance to the fourth level of density which is coming
up for you, you must now make a choice as to whether to
progress to service to others or to remain at the level of
service to self. This will be the decision which will take quite
some time for you to adjust to. This is what is referred to as
the "thousand year period." This is the period as measured in
your calendar terms that will determine whether or not you
will advance to service to others or remain at the level of
service to self. And those who are described as the Lizards
have chosen to firmly lock themselves into service to self.
And, since they are at the highest level of density where this is
possible, they must continually draw large amounts of negative
energy from those at the third level, second level, and so on,
which is why they do what they do. This also explains why
their race is dying, because they have not been able to learn
for themselves how to remove themselves from this particular
form of expression to that of service to others. And, since
they have such, as you would measure it, a long period of
time, remained at this level and, in fact, become firmly
entrenched in it, and, in fact, have increased themselves in it,
this is why they are dying and desperately trying to take as
much energy from you as possible and also to recreate their
race metabolically.
Q: (L) Well, if we are sources of food and labor for them,
why don't they just breed us in pens on their own planet?
A: They do.
Q: (L) Well, since there is so many of us here, why don't they
just move in and take over?
A: That is their intention. That has been their intention for quite
some time. They have been traveling back and forth through
time as you know it, to set things up so that they can absorb a
maximum amount of negative energy with the transference
from third level to fourth level that this planet is going to
experience, in the hopes that they can overtake you on the
fourth level
and thereby accomplish several things. 1: retaining
their race as a viable species; 2: increasing their numbers; 3:
increasing their power; 4: expanding their race throughout the
realm of fourth density. To do all of this they have been
interfering with events for what you would measure on your
calendar as approximately 74 thousand years. And they have
been doing so in a completely still state of space time traveling
backward and forward at will during this work. Interestingly
enough, though, all of this will fail.
Q: (L) How can you be so sure it will fail?
A: Because we see it. We are able to see all, not just what we
want to see. Their failing is that they see only what they want
to see. In other words, it's the highest manifestation possible
of that which you would refer to as wishful thinking. And,
wishful thinking represented on the fourth level of density
becomes reality for that level. You know how you wishfully
think? Well, it isn't quite reality for you because you are on
the third level, but if you are on the fourth level and you were
to perform the same function, it would indeed be your
awareness of reality. Therefore they cannot see what we can
see since we serve others as opposed to self, and since we
are on sixth level, we can see all that is at all points as is, not
as we would want it to be.

In other words, according to this they always feed on us just to sustain themselves, but they need an extra boost  for the 3D -> 4D transition to allow them to "overtake us" and thereby be in proper position to control us afterwards. They get this boost through the mass culling and suffering of billions. I noticed that when a major disaster in the world happens with huge loosh energy output, things everywhere else get more abrasive, hyper-D attacks increase, as though they have more energy to do their thing. So even now, that idea of extra energy = extra power seems valid. Therefore a loosh bonanza during apocalyptic end times would allow them to outflank population sectors that manage to pop into 4D and perhaps hyperdimensionally squeeze them into submission.

To make a clumsy analogy, it's like they are underground dwellers who know how to climb, and we are just flatlanders living  on the surface plane, but we will soon acquire the ability of vertical motion to climb up mountains or down into the underground -- so if they can gather enough energy to climb out and meet us on the way up the mountain, they can play the welcoming committee and make us follow them down into their underground. At least, that's my guess of an interpretation.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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Maybe the thinking of beings on the fourth density as finite resevoirs is an incorrect analogy.  Maybe a being there can absorb as much energy is at hand with out "overfilling".  Then similar to a battery they can rundown all of the energy they absorb over time, or just become superpowerful during the period of tribulations for humanity  with respect to us as hinted from the cassiopean transcript above. 

Montalk you mention how during a major disaster there seems to be hyper-D involvement.  I think you are aware of the fact that the Princeton random number generator experiments lose randomness preceding major disasters.  I was wondenring if this was because at those moments the timeline was being manipulated by the Hyper-D's to get their outcome.  Using 911 as an example, the first plane barely hits the tower, so they go back a couple minutes in time and adjust the planes course, again another miss.  They go back and adjust again until both planes hit and everything works flawlessly.  A metaphor for the alteration would be the deja vu phenomenon as explained in the movie the matrix.  Only in this instance the outside interference with the matrix is detected through the noosphere rather then deja vu.

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Re: Contradiction of Conspiracies... Farm Vs. Genocide

Capitan wrote:

the Princeton random number generator experiments lose randomness preceding major disasters.

signature of STS higher density denizens.

In such times, chaos forces gain the upper hand. It's the subnature realm of subatomic forces. Very powerful. But anti-life and anti-ego. It's pretty much chaotic forces intent on destruction and killing. There is intent behind chaos, and it's anti-human and anti-life.

Sensible chaos is different, it makes etheric currents and forces recognizable in natural manifestations. Beautiful shells, resonating with phi proportions, etc.

But, chaos theory is opposite to PHI life giving currents. Chaos theory is only a science of the lifeless, of the chaotic forces, of what destroys. It's natural function is to make spae for new life to develop. But when they turn loose, they can be unstoppable, only life-giving higher spiritual forces can heal and generate life, and man can channel these into nature again, since chaos forces are gaining the upper hand on nature (destruction of ecosystems, etc.).

Behind these 'blind' forces of chaos are 4D beings intent on destroying body, life, soul and ego. Fragmentation of everything. It feeds STS, which coheres with this destruction intent manifesting in chaos forces.

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Druid, I see what your saying, but I actually am beginning to think that it is chaos that breeds life.  It is the conformity, linearity, efficiency, etcetera that is responsible for destroying this planet.   When one sits back and lets chaos take control, that is when things are in balance, not when you force something away from its natural chaotic state.  I get the feeling we may be saying the same thing using opposite terminology's.

"...But Nothing is Lost:" "Nothing lasts... nothing lasts. Everything is changing into something else. Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track. William Blake said nothing is lost and I believe that we all move on." - Terrence McKenna - Shpongle - But Nothing Is Lost

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Maybe the crop is not producing up to expectations and they would like to plant a new crop. Time to plow the garden under.

Re: Contradiction of Conspiracies... Farm Vs. Genocide

I think the most important point in this whole discussion may have been missed...

From Montalk's Cassiopaean quote-

Interestingly enough, though, all of this will fail.

Just my 2p's worth...:)

Not as clever as I think I am

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assumption 1:
"Alien versus Predator" - regardless of which side is going to win, you are a loser.
]assumption 2:
TPTBs are working on a new, more efficient breed of men; the new race = more nutritive food.
assumption 3:

...a loosh bonanza during apocalyptic end times would allow them to outflank population sectors that manage to pop into 4D and perhaps hyperdimensionally squeeze them into submission.

assumption 4:

In such times, chaos forces gain the upper hand. It's the subnature realm of subatomic forces. Very powerful. But anti-life and anti-ego. It's pretty much chaotic forces intent on destruction and killing...Behind these 'blind' forces of chaos are 4D beings intent on destroying body, life, soul and ego. Fragmentation of everything. It feeds STS, which coheres with this destruction intent manifesting in chaos forces

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It seems to me, that  the synthesis of all 4 points comes close to the truth.

It is of prime importance to recognize that just about everything we've been taught to expect as "normal" in our lives is the stuff of fairy tales and unrealistic dreams.
Theodore Isaac Rubin M.D.

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XzenTriCo and Novice, you point out very good abstracts of things to come, I think.


Captain, the natural function of chaotic forces is to make space for new life to develop, destroy . Living force is neither chaos nor order, both bring death.
Rigid order is dead, fixated, not moving, dead.
Chaos and fragmentation that destroys life is also bringer of death.

Life forces imbue life forms with life and animate them. Balance is needed between death forces and life forces.

the true sense of chaos is 'stellar dust' or 'prime undifferenciated black matter'. Out of this is brought cosmos, order. If this order becomes rigidified, it has to die and be reborn from chaos. Phoenix like, passing through forever-death and forever-resurrection. Being re-order on a higher level of consciousness, given life, the  dying to itself, being reborn on a still higher level of order and coherence, cnosciousness. In nature, life-forces are the consciousness imbuing all nature, filled with elementals, but this sort of consciousness is relatively 'aspleep, compared to men, not to speak of angels, who are wide awake while we are in profond, deep sleep. All relative.

The chaos forces tend to get hold on things in our society because we fell for the fallacies of science physics, with its mathematical, quantitative, numerative, its mechanical clockwork laws. This mechanical artificial and abstract order is bringer of death, and chaos of destruction is taking hold of civilisation.

This can be seen as the chaos that brings the death which promises a new resurrection on a higher level of consciousness... or not if you are not fit to graduate.