Re: War In Heaven

Freeyourmind--The Reality Checkpoint site listed above has several sections concerning
The Breakthrough and what to do after.  You've already made the breakthrough it sounds
like.  The only recommendation against suicide I can think of is this:  The IC says that
the more aware and lucid you are after the silver cord is broken, the better off you are
in the astral.  I've often wanted to go out the most painless way if I had to, like with
an overdose of pain meds if I had a terminal condition, but this doesn't sound like a good
thing, because you would be doped up in your consciousness when you exited.  I don't
know how much effect this would have on your astral mind, though.  Probably not a good
choice.  Also I think the more we accumulate psychic awareness and have our inner core
tested and strengthened, the more energy we take with us into the afterlife. 

If you've read any of Carlos Castaneda's last books, he was giving tips on lucid dreaming
and "magical passes" which are supposed to be movements to avoid being trapped or
snared by entities.  The lucid dreaming training has got to be a plus, because it teaches
you to be aware and in control while in your dreaming body.  Not that I've studied this
enough to be good at it, it's actually on my to do list.  In fact, I'm going to investigate
which other types of psychic training would be best for me to concentrate on.

By the way, who is Bill Hicks?  Is there a website I can visit to check out his stuff--he's funny!

Regards,
TP

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Barefoot Doc wrote:

If nothing else i have just taken the message that  the lower astral is full of decieving and controlling manipulative  entities who will pretend to whatever you want them to be.

Right, including pretending to be the good guys. Democrats and Republicans accuse each other of being "the problem" in order to justify  their own respective solutions, but both are part of the same control mechanism that manipulates people into choosing one of two false choices. It's no different when it comes to metaphysical deception, where Luciferic and Ahrimanic forces point out the shortcomings in each other to justify themselves as the superior alternative. They all provide false solutions to genuine problems. Therefore the accusers need to face just as much critical analysis as the accused because they might be wolves in sheep's clothing playing off the wolf threat.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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If the Theocrats have been gobbling up deluded souls for thousands of years AND just about everyone used to be totally brainwashed into believing the local godscam... then how did so many of us make it to reincarnation? Zenden, you were a warrior and party animal, not a trained mystic. Why didn't you "go to the light" and get munched?

Some ideas:

Maybe they're all liars.
Maybe they feed us what we already believe.
Maybe they're forced to lie but try to slip some truth in.
Weird idea: maybe in that realm/density they can't tell truth from falsehood (many possible worldlines and they pick the wrong one).

How do we test what we get? Ideas, anyone?

We're all butterflies flapping our wings and changing the world.

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do they not also "forcefully" incarnate someone, to keep the energy and cycle flowing? That is how I see it, maybe they can't "eat" us, but only trap us long enough to drain our personal energy, then re-release into another body to "re-charge".???

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Free--you'll have to read the book.  If they trap you, you're screwed.  That's why the IC says
Talk but don't touch.  Don't let them touch you.  Apparently the only choice we have is to
reincarnate or join.  The cycle is kept going by people with preconcieved afterlife religious
ideas joining theocratic bands. The Islamic funamentalists teach that if you die fighting
in a jihad, or declared "Holy War" that you'll get 52 virgins to have your way with in the
afterlife in Paradise.  More likely the "virgins" will devour you.  Sucker.
There is information about how when the Aztecs killed thousands of people they created
their own Elemental which had to be fed or it would actually take living souls.  There is a
section about Second Stage Theocracy describing places where Elementals hang out
where many people were killed and they are a danger to anyone traveling through that
area.  Much information.

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TP: My most "painless" method is a 7.62x54R russian rifle cool The only decision? Heart or Brain...
http://www.truck-web.us/guns/pics/m44right.jpg

And as you have said, the more lucid or experienced in controlling yourself the better, which is why I'm still here wink I want to build up lucid and psychic abilities as much as possible. I also get the feeling that either an attachment or outside force doesn't want me gaining these abilities, so it's a struggle. And another part of me says I need to rid myself of this broken shell, I think infant circumcision has just as many spiritual side-effects as it does physical. God knows the energy trasnmitted during those operations and years to come.

Ah yes, speaking of "black magic" and astral psychic technology, I remember a dream I had once as a child, it was pretty-lucid, and I was being taught a "magic word" that you could use to make yourself FLY. I tried making mental note to not forget that WORD, but of course all I remember is myself flying around the local park/schoolground, like that Japanese anime "Dragon Ball Z".

That was another television show with some interesting concepts of mental/pychic powers.

But in the end, I agree with Barefoot Doc, any "belief system" is too risky to cling too. In the movie Dogma, Chris Rock states it is much better to have an IDEA, then it is to have a BELIEF. IDEA's can be changed, beliefs are harder if not impossible to change.

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I have read the book completely, some things just didn't seem completely described. I'm gonna read the Reality Checkpoint now though.

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http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~tjw/icons/two_cents.gif For The Following:

Obviously Kyle is a Tuned Unit

The writing is well done and packed with usable (after discernment) info.

But like everything in the Distorted duality fish tank of perception, YOU get truth and lies in the same bag - Both snakes constantly yammering for bidnesssss as usual.......

Even As They Are Being Dissolved By Growing Inner Silence And A Much Deeper Blueprint

With Here-To-Fore Only A Component Of A Much Larger Process.
_____     _____     _____     _____     _____


Barefoot Doc wrote:

Do archons recycle humanity and trap them into reincarnating with a role that expands the archon control? and in this case is the advise from the war in heaven to reincarnate at all costs good advise.

Reincarceration Reincarceration Reincarceration

It’s A Lie

And Is Exactly What YOU Came To End



ZenDen wrote:

.......thats probably whats REALLY depressing me along with the idea that this is so much work, this ascension stuff.  i thot i had it down pretty good awhile back and have been working on it for yrs but am sorta one step forward and three back now.

That’s Why It’s Called:

The Great Work (Of Light And Dark)


Magician, YOU’ve ‘had in down’ for a Long Time

YOU’ve done the Re-Search to Re-Member

Current frustration stems from scattering YOUR Energy as Opposed to Cohering It.
All That Counts Is The General Concept
There are ’billions and billions’ of names and ways of saying the same thing, and running from one to the next to the next to the next.......

Allow YOURSELF To Lean Into The Arms Of The Higher Self

Be At Peace (AD VO ZIN)

Allowing The Re-Search From With-In To Flow.......



C's say things all the time about lessons, lessons

‘The Only Lesson Is That

There Are No Lessons’

just went to karen bishop's website and she says karma and such doesnt exist and it's all ‘stories‘

E X A C T L Y



Tom Paine wrote:

.......we are ready to get off our collective
asses and work for change.

E X A C T L Y


The IC says that
the more aware and lucid you are after the silver cord is broken, the better off you are
in the astral.

Also I think the more we accumulate psychic awareness and have our inner core
tested and strengthened, the more energy we take with us into the afterlife.

Which Is The Essence Of this FINAL incarceration:

The Union, Then Synergy Of Soul And Spirit

Note:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3431


Apparently the only choice we have is to
reincarnate or join.

It’s A Lie

And Is Exactly What YOU Came To End

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Greetings, All:

Great thread. Much wisdom and knowledge here. And maybe the most important knowledge needed right now.

I'll try to explain that last sentence, starting with a story about Carl Jung, taken from Barbara Hannah's biography of Jung. She took care of him when he was dying, and wrote that several times he went to another state of consciousness and told her about it when he came back. One time he returned "visibly shaken" and said he had seen the Earth in the near future (I believe he died in the '60s), and that "much of the Earth had been destroyed, but, thank God, not all of it."  In his book on UFOs he said that, whatever else they were, their appearance in increasing numbers in our skies since the detonating of the two bombs in Japan at the end of WWII could be symbolic of the preparation in the collective unconscious for the (again collective) unconscious knowledge of many. many deaths in the near future ("Heaven" often seen as "up there," and thus UFOs symbolic of pathways to Heaven).

I'm not quoting Jung as the be-all and end-all of wisdom. I like what Michael Tsarion says about not looking in another's eyes for what you need, that it's within. But I do think that Jung was a very wise man, and pay attention to his words.  And I quote him because I have come to the conclusion myself that there IS going to be some mass destruction of life on our planet, not too far in the future, far greater than all the deaths being caused now by war and poverty.

At the same time the Light is growing, and the Veils are thinning, thus potentially offering a way out of the reincarnation trap for as many souls as can re-connect to the Light.  The darkside, whatever term you want to use for them--the Annunaki, the reptilians, the Theocrats, the demonic realm, etc.--feeds on human souls and wants to take as many souls with them as they can when the shift--again, whatever you want to call it--happens.  Anyone who found their way to this site is aware of all the barriers to re-connecting with the Source--the Light, the Oneness, Love, whatever one calls it, however one experiences it--now operative on our planet: the media manipulation of minds; the near-complete trapping of all humans in the money system; etc., etc.
All the misery on our planet, and all the human minds focusing on getting money, pornography, belief systems that foster separation from each other, etc., etc.  have created very powerful thought forms that rule the lower astral planes. When a human dies, if he or she has not done the work to get free of all this, they get trapped for recycling, which is really all that reincarnation is.

I came to my own conclusion some years ago that reincarnation was at worst a lie, a tool of the darkside, and, at best, has been co-opted by the darkside. Supporting the worst-side view  is the fact that the Sumerians, the oldest civilization--and a very warlike one--in the land where all the Western religious belief systems began, introduced the concept of reincarnation. Their "Lords of Karma" were considered to be evil.

Supporting the best-case scenario is Edgar Cayce's version of the creation story: When all was first created, when we were all beings of Light, some souls came to Earth, and, delighted with all the other forms of creation here, all the ways of experiencing life in this dimension on this planet, began using the then-free creative power of the mind to create physical bodies for themselves, sometimes creating part-fish, part land animal forms, etc. Because 3-D reality vibrates at a lower rate than the Source, the Light, these souls became stuck in 3-D form. In Atlantis, the time of Atlantis, many souls who were free, not trapped in matter, came to Earth, led, according to Cayce, by the soul we now call Jesus, with the purpose of freeing their entrapped fellow souls, and part of the healing and freeing process was the tool of reincarnation. The entrapped souls were truly trapped, and discoonected on the soul level from the Source. Some of the souls who came here to help became corrupted by the power they had over the entrapped souls, and began using them as slaves, and misusing their power in other ways, which led to the destruction of Atlantix. These corrupted souls fled before the sinking to Egypt, South America, and a few other places where religions using sacrifice and control were established--and where, as in Sumeria, they controlled the process of reincarnation through their misused spiritual power in the astral levels, while keeping access to that power from the masses.

Either way, reincarnation has obviously not served the purpose of awakening souls to our divine nature, as a quick look at our world shows. 

As to getting free of the matrix, I am suspecting that for those of us who are awake, or waking up, it's going to be easier than we think.  FEAR is the darkside's superweapon against those of us going home to the Light now.

Anyway, all this just my thoughts.

Peace, wynderer

"There is ALWAYS hope."
Aragorn

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Thank you wynderer.  I understand that when Carl Jung passed there was a great
electrical storm.  The C's say that storms are 3D manifestations of battles going on
in 4D.  Jung was a contemporary with Freud and Wilhelm Reich.  Heady company that.
SiriArc--
As I was typing the post above and got to the part about the IC saying that there
were only two choices, join or reincarnate, it didn't feel right.  I don't think they're
giving us the whole picture.  There must be other options.  I get the impression that they
would like us to help fight the theocrats, but they haven't said exactly how to do that.
So once again, it seems we are being given two choices which are not the only choices.
I guess I'll see if any new ideas present themselves on his forum.
Meanwhile, we've been warned about the obvious traps.

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Yes, FEAR is the mind-killer. Confidence is needed in ones own abilities and knowledge.

I also didn't like the vibe of "Join or Re-incarnate", doesn't sound very respectfull of free will. Just as in politics and other 3D affairs, the two sides of the coin presented to us are not the only options.

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Free_Your_Mind wrote:

I also didn't like the vibe of "Join or Re-incarnate", doesn't sound very respectfull of free will. Just as in politics and other 3D affairs, the two sides of the coin presented to us are not the only options.

I got that vibe too.

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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Chapter 15: The History of Theocracy

Message 3 of 7

Of course you have these fears.  You learned them from a psychic and social environment still dominated to some extent by the Theocrats and their propaganda.  However, the very fact that you are able to write about this is evidence that the Theocrats are liars.  Their control over people is indirect, exercised mostly by programming the subconscious mind.  They can’t overwhelm the conscious will of any normal person, only the wills of people with seriously damaged physical or astral minds; and they can’t directly harm or enslave the soul when it is incarnated.

Chapter 16: The Invisible College

Message 4 of 8

Most of the spirit guides who assist occultists all over the world in obtaining spiritual knowledge and in learning conscious control of their psychic powers are magicians.  The Theocrats are seriously frightened of the work these spirits do, which explains why Fundamentalist propaganda contains such stern warnings against contacting them.

Chapter 17: Satan and Buddha

Message 6 of 9

The important thing to remember whenever possession is mentioned is simply this: no spirit, Theocrat or otherwise, can actually force living people to do things contrary to their conscious will and their customary ideas of right and wrong.  Even religious mind control can only reprogram a person’s opinions and beliefs one small step at a time: it’s a slow, gradual process, not a sudden, dramatic takeover.  It’s very important for the reader to realize this.

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god--i just love that concept--that "the they"  hate it, forbid, it, preach against it to know the "knowing"--to dabble in the occult and "get the messages"==all forbidden knowledge, as is the sign/symbol of thr snake. gnosticism. archane knowledge.  wisdom, the really snarl at that.  it always felt that way.  burn em they used to say and still do--burn all the magicians, stop them all, instill fear.  thats why ppl dont know how to heal themselves--always thinkin they gotta go get a middle man.  its bullshit.

dont listen to the inner self--"its the devil talking".  god, this is just fabulous, dont have enuf adjectives, its soooo exciting to see thru and having seen thru this so many yrs.  it is tough tho, when theyre hangin ya and cutting off ur hands, and stuff.  ouch--hurts. and burning ur family in front of ya.  this is what we came here to stop.  that stuff, the frickin lies and the indoctrination.  the stance i wanna take on this has fueled me for eons. some of us JUST KNOW we came here to do "this"--must get specific on the this. SiriArc, Tom Paine, keep pointing us, guiding, teaching.  it all resonates.  its the coolest thing ever.  im so jazzed all the time.  (yes, must "cohese" the energy--i agree.  its been hard for 2 or 3 weeks.  worked alot, after halloween.  all against my principles, it drains me to see hundreds of immigrant sick ppl, theyre so desperate, it takes all my energy, it distorts it, i have to cleanse them, filter their disease and sickness thru me, i cant do it everyday, i do it in exchange for money, for knowledge, to know more, it even trains me psychically, i realize, it has been part of my "training"--it has refined itself thru the yrs, just as it was supposed to).

i was really onto something then, at halloween. it was so damn appropo and feel like i still am (only MORE SO with a few of u guys.  it is my lifespring to come on read on this and interject.  my fav stuff now in all the "world". )  still am ON IT, a pouring out, a self-ID, all that came to me then, about forgiveness and clearing the way, and anchoring, and emoting. and about all the difft species they bred out of/with us, taking all that into account.   the gods from outer space. its been such a prison. but we looked out from between those bars and laughed (and cried)...alot for the brothers who cant see, dont know, r trapped and keep feeding them.  thats what THAT's about, i think.

break out break out, be who u ARE.  all i wanna do is be on this subject, its the WORK OF MY LIFE/EXISTENCE.  it defines me the best.  it is the ME that I SEE MYSELF AS.  i HAVE done the research to remeber!!! yes yes yes.  love it.

i loved it too when TP said--he'd rather be a survivor here on earth at "the end" if it comes down it, than to be sucked up by them/the theocrats.  i applaud him and will stand beside him there, me TOO, in triples.  thats so brave, so cool.

and starling, i was paraphrasing on the pastlives thing, reincarnation or not, or living soul stories, not sure, been way way more than a partier, and have been a mystic, a tibetan priest (who was a lama and quite a bad BLACK magic one at that), and many a queen, had my own armies, loved my generals.   i LOVE MY STORIES-love em love em. they define me, dont care.  i also like the idea that someone said up there--quite prolific actually, to have ideas rather than beliefs, very good thinking.

i will look for kyle's new work, i must check it.  i see tho, that not alot of action goes on at that reality checkpoint, or is that me.  i even stopped bookmarking it as i used to go and look around and nothing going on, but that was maybe more my prob or something so ill go back and cath up then.  thats why i was so interested in comparing that newage.com.au place as it had what to do after u know info.  will have to compare and contrast.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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Zenden, you might be interested in www.quantumtouch.com. It's great training for increasing the energy you can use to help others.

We're all butterflies flapping our wings and changing the world.