Topic: the efficacy of "clearing" e-meters in regards to The Mars Records

Ok, I just posted this in the Steiner topic, but it is totally off-topic there, so I wanted to start a new topic here! Right!

I have a question for practitioners of kinesiology and/or "clearing", as well as those who have experienced such.

I have picked up and put down The Mars Records from metatech.org several times in the past couple years. At this point, I'm half through it. It is fascinating to read the transcripts of someone doing memory work with an e-meter and unearthing repressed memories of a parallel timeline on Mars. The transcripts feature all types of lingo related to e-meters, and it is familiar to me, but nothing I have experienced.

Besides Scientology, I have never encountered anyone using these and was wondering if anyone else could vouch for their efficacy. Could one buy their own e-meter to do memory work such as this? What is it about using kineseology or the e-meter that can break through these repressed memories? I read Power VS Force a while, and loved the idea of it, but the idea of being able to assign a numerological system to determine the relative "truth" of a book based on muscle-testing struck me as too far-fetched and made it all smack of pseudo-science. But then, I have never met a kineseology practitioner or had it tried on me, and I'd rather do that before I just make up my mind about it.

Thanks for your insight
Tim

PS it worked for John Travolta...
http://j-walkblog.com/images/emetertravolta.jpg

Re: the efficacy of "clearing" e-meters in regards to The Mars Records

Have you ever read the book Power vs Force? It advocates muscle-testing as a revolutionary method of truth analysis, whereby published sources, people, and belief systems are tested for their truth content on a numbered scale.

If there are problems with kinesiology, then here are some that come to mind:

* its binary nature - strong, weak, positive or zero response. Can't give complete answers, and you have to play a game of 20 questions to understand it accurately. A bit like pendulum dowsing - has its applications, but there is risk of being satisfied with an answer that is "good enough" but not completely accurately intepreted.

* if it comes from the body consciousness or the subconscious, that could leave room for negative entities, programming, implants, etc... to induce a response. I mean if negs can levitate objects, possess limbs and people, move planchettes around a ouija board, why not make a muscle go strong or weak?

* the fact that a numbered truth rating scale is not enough to gauge material. Just because salt is 100% pure food doesn't make it the only thing you should eat. Something that rates highly may not have much meat, just as an anorexic having a low body fat index doesn't necessarily make them "slim and fit."

* where does discernment and reasoning come into play? If used incorrectly, a muscle-tested truth value is just another external form of authority telling you what to material to follow.

Maybe it's useful as a supplement to investigation, but I would be cautious of relying upon it as an absolute truth teller. I haven't researched its effectiveness and validity in the scientological practice of clearing, so can't comment there. However if one is being programmed with something the subconscious resists, there will be a certain muscle reaction...and the programming is not complete until that reaction goes away, so it could just as well be used as a "quality assurance device" for effective programming.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

Re: the efficacy of "clearing" e-meters in regards to The Mars Records

Montalk, the questions that came to your mind about kiniseology are the same that I experienced when reading Power Vs Force. I have had zero reliable results using pendulums or dowsing, if only because it is *extremely* difficult to make your body be perfectly still, even just the pulse of my heart can make my arm twitch a little bit, and I could tell that sometimes the dowsing rods would suddenly move a bit just from my breathing. Too subtle to imagine getting some sort of reliable information from, IMO!

I did some more research, so I will endeavor to answer my own questions a bit. I found this interesting:

Alien Love Bite interview with Stephanie and Michael Relfe
http://www.alienlovebite.com/mars_records.htm

EL: Stephanie, can you tell us briefly how Clearing sessions work?

SR: Clearing uses (1) a biofeedback meter which measures one level below consciousness and (2) specific rules and techniques for communicating which enable a person's mind to uncover the TRUTH of what is the cause of their upsets and problems.

The meter puts a small, harmless electrical current through the person's body. The mind and body interact. By measuring changes in the body's resistance, the meter measures changes in the person's mind.

Emotional upset comes from things that happened to us in the past. The upset is stored as energy, "charge", in the mind. It is stored in a mind called the "unconscious mind" which is why we can't access these memories normally. With the help of the clearing practitioner and the meter, a person can consciously get to find out what is in his unconscious mind.

We get rid of this charge in clearing by creating a PERFECT COPY of it. Two things cannot exist in the same place at the same time. With the help of the bio meter and the clearing practitioner, the hidden memories come into view. Once the person creates a perfect copy, the original charge vanishes. This causes their mind to be "lighter". This reads on the meter as an instantaneous change in their body. And the person realizes finally what has been going on.

The Mars Records is very different from any other book previously published in that it includes all the readings from the meter as well as an explanation as to what they mean. The readings back up the truth of this incredible story.

Also, the application of kinesiology muscle testing. The basis of kinesiology is that the body is an electrical instrument and the brain is a very powerful computer. The computer is sending signals to all the muscles and back again. Muscle testing isolates a particular muscle by putting an arm in a particular position. The kinesiologist can then "talk" directly to the brain and ask it different questions. Depending on the answer, the person being tested either will or won't be able to hold their arm up, which is how the brain communicates to us.

EL: Stephanie, why do you think this particular combination is better than hypnosis in recovering repressed memories?

SR: The problem with hypnosis is that is works by shutting the conscious mind down. This does not help the person to grow in spiritual strength and understanding. Rather, the opposite. Once the person is hypnotized, more "stuff" is put into the unconscious mind.

We want ALL the memories to become conscious, and to clear the charge from them. This causes an increase in the person's spiritual strength.

EL: Have you ever worked with other abductees or mind control victims with repressed memories?

SR: Not with clearing. With kinesiology I have had about 10 people out of several hundred that had had experiences. Some of these people knew about it, others didn't. Some could handle what I told them, others couldn't. It is amazing what one discovers about someone with kinesiology. For example, I was working on one woman who had incredible sleeping problems. She was very "blocked" and almost impossible to test, which is most unusual. I began to suspect abduction. It turned out her problems started the day she woke up at 2 am, and found her little girl outside on the doorstep (freezing cold), which was "impossible" because the little girl was too small to reach the door handle.

Another woman I worked on had no problem accepting that she had been abducted. She was quite psychic. While working on a problem to do with a pain in her leg, an incident surfaced. She told me that she had 24 hours of missing time, when she and her boyfriend rode on a bike up north along 300 miles of deserted road in Queensland, Australia. They felt like lying down beside the road. When they go to the New Year's party they were going to, it was all over. They were a day later! Her boyfriend was in a huge rage, and left her then and there. Using the communication techniques from clearing (but without the meter) she relived an incident where men in black clothes came for them both and took them onto a spaceship. Insectoids that looked like human sized praying mantises worked on them before returning them to the original spot.

EL: Michael, you mentioned in the Mars Records that you used deliverance prayer sessions even before you met Stephanie. What made you decide to try this method?

MR: Deliverance is the "casting out" or removing of evil spirits from a person who does NOT want them there. Witches and magicians WANT to have evil spirits inside them, which is how they obtain their "power". Christians do NOT want evil spirits as they hinder and stop spiritual growth and progress.

Deliverance is a gift from the Lord Jesus Christ for HIS people. It is NOT for the unbelieving public at large. The Bible refers to deliverance as the "Children's Bread". In 1983 when I was living in Tulsa, Oklahoma, I believed in God but was not living a Christian life and did not have a close walk with the Lord Jesus Christ. In one of my newsletters that exposed the Illuminati, the author had a couple of tapes on offer by a preacher named Win Worley. One was titled, "Mass Deliverance". This tape was a recording of a group deliverance service at a small Baptist church near Chicago. When listening to this tape, I was unprepared for what happened. I listened to the sermon and explanation of terms. I participated in the prayers that the preacher led the group through. I felt that "something" happened but I did not know what. Then the preacher started calling a list of names of demons (lust, jealousy, hatred, etc. there were many of them) and ordered them to leave the people. Immediately I felt VERY strange and "things" started leaving me. Burping, belching, tears, coughing, dry heaves, etc. I just kept participating and praying in my head for anything "bad" to leave me. This went on for about an hour. By the time the tape was over I felt VERY different. The initial session (and many more after) enabled me to get free enough from the holds of the enemy to start walking a Christian life.

EL: Do you think that your Mars--mind control and abductions memories would have surfaced in the Clearing sessions if you had NOT done deliverance first?

MR: No. At the time of starting deliverance in 1983, I was too bound up and enslaved to whatever programming I was given in the Navy to ever consider that I actually needed help. It took 13 years of God working on me for me to be ready for clearing. You must remember that not everyone involved in TRV (Tactical Remote Viewing) is chosen for target termination. It takes a certain personality to be effective as an assassin. I was cold, hard and arrogant.

Surfing The Apocalypse interview with Stephanie and Michael Relfe
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.com/mars_records.html

SURFING: Were the clearing sessions successful in retrieving the memories as well as diffusing the rage?

MICHAEL: Concerning the childhood memories, we haven't gone that deep into exploring that area. The internal rage I felt as the result of how I had been treated is mostly gone. Along with that was great physical pain (in my neck and back) that I had felt as a result of the crash of the attack craft. The way clearing works, it is easier to remember things that contain a lot of "charge" on them. That charge is usually associated with pain or traumatic events.

I think Stefanie is either using or suggests the Avatar biofeedback system:
http://www.besthealth.com.au/Avatar.htm

Note from Stephanie Relfe on Scientology
http://www.themarsrecords.com/scientology.html

I have never been a member of the Church of $cientology, and do not recommend it to anyone. However, the technology called Clearing which I used in The Mars Records comes largely from the work of Ron Hubbard (who also used the work of others). I learned Clearing from people who were in the church years ago. I understand that in 1982 thousands of people left the Church in protest at the direction it was taking. There are many people part of a loose group called the "Free Zone" that works outside the church.

This technology is so powerful at uncovering hidden memories, that I believe Hubbard was "got at" on a number of times, and the organisation taken over by dark forces. The particular technology I use has similarities to Dianetics. It is has no similarity to scientology processes and practically none to the Church of Scientology "upper levels" (as I have never done these). I understand that the kind of work I do comes from the work Hubbard did around the mid 60s. You will see in the Mars Records that I give references to some of his books. I am told that all kinds of people were getting incredible results back in the early days. Then, for no reason, he changed the technology and rules greatly.

website of the Free Zone
http://www.freezone.org

Free Solo Processing
http://www.soloprocessing.eu/

I have worked since 1975 in this field, in my free time. First 10 years in Scientology (the "un-free zone"), then about 7 years in the Free Zone, and finally being zone free. I realized that the most powerful Solo Technique is so simple there may be no need to buy anything. That was after doing more than 50 courses and processing levels in total. Trained to Class IV + Dianetics, processed to OT7 and a few more above. I won't mention the amount of time and money. A person makes his own choices, and is himself responsible for possible bad choices.

Solo Processing is a method by which you can look into your so-called subconscious Mind and erase unwanted conditions. Thereby creating freedom for you and others. How far you can get depends on your ability to Confront what is. All answers and Truth are within you.

[----later, on a different page]

The OT Firewall
http://freesolo.homepage.dk/otfirewall.htm

In January 2004 a free zoner I have known since 1985 sent me a an e-mail with a link to The Mars Records. He now and then sends me stuff about a lot of weird things, such as Underground Bases under Antarctica and the like. Well, anything is possible, although I don't necessarily believe in everything. But I red the Mars Records and noticed it gave quite some reactions in my case or mind. The Mars Records also seem to give an explanation to why processing is not giving as much gains at it should, and why processing-groups often seem to split and cease delivering, and why many people don't continue with processing. Outside secret influences don't want us to succeed.

Speaking of Deliverance:
http://www.deliveranceminister.com/TheD … Manual.htm
and
http://www.demonbuster.com

both feature the Deliverance writings of Gene and Earline Moody. They are very much Christian and all about the Blood Of Jesus. The entire manual is free, along with several hours of audio of deliverance masses in which you can purportedly hear the demons shrieking and people babbling in tongues, etc while they are cleared out.

Ok, thats a ton of stuff to read tonight.. I am still a bit "unCLEAR" on all of this.
Tim