Marijuana (Page 1 of 8)

Captain Beefheart played in Seattle in 1980 and when he noticed the ganja smoke, he asked, "How can you smoke that? It's so 2-dimensional!" I realized soon after that he was right. At the same time, I understood its value as a method of shifting your perspective, when the one you had wasn't working. The medical value alone makes it a MVP among plants. I say, look at its enemies (bush, bush, etc.). This gang deals dangerous drugs. Marijuana (though it's not a drug) is the competition for the harder drugs. It's also the most aggressively prosecuted. The enemy of my enemy is my friend! Sure, there might be a reverse psych going on, but we can't know anything for an absolute certainty, given our limited faculties. Bottom line for me is: it all depends on the strain and plant quality, as to the negative or positive effects on the etheric, or us.

I think when used in moderation marijuana and other drugs can reveal spiritual truths that aren't available to us in our 'normal' state. It seems to me that marijuana connects someone directly with the creative force. They experience a boost of creative energy, which manifests as inspiration and rise in libido. But that's only one side of pot. Uses of hemp for fuel and textile goods number in the hundreds. Marijuana is also a cure-all for many illnesses, including cancer, research of which has been heavily suppressed. Not only that, but marjiuana can be eaten instead of smoked to be ingested, avoiding any potential lung damage. I think the campaign to stamp out marjiuana use is going on because it has the potential to wake up many people spiritually and 4D STS doesn't want that. I genuinely think that occasional use is okay, when searching for clues and hints to the true nature of our reality. However it should never be depended upon, as obsession and/or addiction really will "rot the erheric".

I feel very strongly on this subject because a spiritual tool in the form of an edible plant that could 'wake up' millions of people is being demonized and heavily suppressed by the powers that be.

Right on, Seeker. Legal hemp could save the small farmer. Hempseed is second only to soy for nutritional value (and easier and quicker and safer to use). One thing I forgot: Fritz Springmeier has stated that marijuana screws up the mind control programming which has afflicted many. It tends to disorder the order which has been imprinted onto the chaos created by the trauma. A plant that de-programs. It can be used to produce lighter, stronger concrete. Henry Ford built a car out of it (it ran on hempseed fuel, and was more resistant to crash damage than steel). Clothing from hemp outlasts cotton 20-1. "Every seed-bearing herb". It can grow nearly anywhere. A perfect biomass for a troubled planet.

From "Return of the Warriors", by Theun Mares, Chapter 10, page 231:

"At this juncture I feel that it is appropriate for me to offer a word of friendly advise.   In this day and age, in which there are so many well-meaning people who are genuinely searching for the truth, drug abuse has become a serious problem.  In their attempts to achieve altered states of perception and hoping thereby to gain a glimmer of knowledge, people of all ages have allowed themselves to be conned into taking trips.

"As is clear from this book, there was a time when Toltecs too walked the path of drugs in desperation.   Thus we do not stand in judgment of those who still walk this sad path, but from personal experience all true Toltecs will agree that in the end the results do not justify the ill-effects of drug abuse.   Anyone who wishes to have real knowledge must become a whole person and must have all of his faculties fully operative.   However, the damage done by drugs both to the brain and the nervous system of the physical body is irreparable, and this renders the person concerned unfit for warriorship.   Once the brain of the nervous system has been damaged, full control of the emotions, and threfore, of intent, is impossible."

I work with a guy who's 28 and sounds like a full time pot head.  "Sounds" like, you may wonder.   What does that mean?  How does one "sound" like a pothead?   It's in the way he talks.   Slow.   Like his head is baked.   We got to talking one day and he was saying how he's sober but people "for some reason!" think he smokes out all the time.   I was like, Well yeah, I mean, you SOUND like it."   He looked shocked and was like, "What do you mean??"   I told him that if I knew nothing of his personal habits I would bet my LIFE that he smoked weed all the time.   He insistantly denied smoking weed...........presently.   But he quit 8 years ago after being a pot head.   I said (in my typical foot-in-the-mouth blunt Scorpio fashion)  "Well yeah, that's even worse because you were smoking it when your brain was still developing.   When you smoke it when you're young, you permanently damage your brain, and you'll still sound like you're smoking it years after you quit."   

He had nothing to say to that, totally speechless.   He wasn't mad, just caught off guard. 

At any rate, he's a cool guy, but, not the sharpest knife in the drawer if you know what I mean.  It has to be from all that drug abuse he partaked in during his teens and early 20's.    He sounds slow and doped up, moves slow like he's doped up, is slow to catch on to things, not that sharp, and he'll be that way until the day he dies, because he damaged his brain.   

I don't go around lecturing people about drugs, and I'm not going to start now.  But since you asked about whether pot is really good or bad, my personal experience in dealing with those who smoked it recreationally is that it's bad.   It's f***s up your brain, and it's irreversible.   You can't undo what it does.   I've smoked it and I wish now that I hadn't.   The minimal amount I've smoked did a little damage, in my personal opinion.    The damage it did is subtle, and wouldn't be noticable to others -- but it's noticable to me, because I'm me and I live in this body and own this mind, so I can see the "before and after" difference. 

I don't doubt that pot "tears at the etheric".   My brother was a pot head, and was also a major target of dark entities.   He was bare minimum, carrying around a crapload of attachments, if not an actual victim of posession.   Do I equate pot smoking with posession, attachment, darkness, etc ?    No.   But what I DO believe is that it certainly makes it EASIER for this stuff to occur.   When you're high, "out of it", and not in full control of yourself or your mind, things can - and will - take advantage of that. 

You're going to do what you want to do, but, we're offering feedback here because you asked.   If it doesn't make a dent with you, maybe it will hopefully with someone else.

Since I am the Christine, BB mentioned in this thread above - I thought I might add a few thoughts.

Firstly, it isn't "because" SW says "pot is bad" that I think it's "bad" but because by my own observation, pot smokers, as Lyra said, are slow.  I know this is going to get disputed all over the place but it's been my observation.  Slow reflexes ... slow time down (drive at 15 miles an hour), slow to complete jobs, slow to confront their lives and handle relationships ... just slow.

Pot smokers, to my observation, are also very wooden emotionally. 

As for wrecking the etheric and it being irreparable ... I don't know.  I don't think so.  Theun Mares said much the same thing.  That the etheric can be torn.  I do not believe anything is irreparable for the spirit.

Hell, I can't see the etheric, am not convinced it's true (not convinced it isn't) ... so I really don't know.  But, what I can see ... is that pot use, especially over a long period of time, is detrimental.

But, that is a value judgment of course.  Perhaps a bathroom remodeling that was started 5 years ago ... isn't that long too wait (my neighbor - a life long pot smoker).

Bottom line ... we can all find justifications for any action, non action, belief, non belief we have. We can find many who agree, many who disagree.  Form little groups of those who agree with us.

To what end?  The path, any path is walked alone.  No one can possibly tell you what to do or think.  It's your life.  Your destiny. 

Christine B.

My experience with marijuana is not positive as well. When I smoke I feel it makes me more vulnerable, especially to all kind negative thought-forms of paranoid forms. Even what I would term as disinformation (as I can see when I write down some of these thoughts). I also tend to get completely engulfed in others' worlds (something I already do in "normal awareness", if such a thing still exists). I have tried again a few times in the past year, very light smoking, and it was always the same experience. But I've never really reacted to this drug the same way as others, it doesn't relax me AT ALL, so it may "just be me"... I think Theun Mares makes a good point though, all the shortcuts we try to take in spiritual evolution have a price. And that price can be our downfall.

aaron-- I think you are talking about the two main strains, cannabis sativa and cannabis indica. Sativa gives you the 'high' feeling resulting in raised energy levels and creativity. Indica gives you the 'stoned' feeling resulting in lowered energy levels and lethargy. It's hard to find any MJ these days that is either pure strain, as they have been interbred and mixed for centuries. Most MJ (supposedly) is about 75% indica and 25% sativa.

Marijuana has a tremendously powerful meta-programming effect. It strips down your personality and you're left with your essence. (Your personality is formed from the physical world while your essence is formed from the spiritual world.) This allows you to rebuild and reprogram your personality from the ground up. This is why some people experience anxiety from its use. Once their personality is stripped down, they no longer have their familiar filter of reality, thus resulting in paranoia and uneasiness. This reprogramming could be used in good or bad ways, but if used to see the world more objectively and to clear out programs that control you, it can have a positive effect.

Interestingly, a major possible side effect of heavy marijuana use is depersonalization. Depersonalization is when your personality is so stripped away that you feel detatched and dissociated from the world. You have no filter left to plug yourself directly into the world. The Elias channel described depersonalization as a possible experience during the ascension process. However I wouldn't advocate or even condone heavy use. Moderate use (one to four times a month) seems to be okay without causing any detriment to personal development. I think it's best though to learn what you can without the help of drugs and use them only when you're stuck in a rut and need a little push to get out of it.