1 (edited by skyblue 2006-09-14 16:33:16)

Topic: Proof of an Icke maxim?

When you oppose something, you end up operating exactly like the thing you’re opposing. This is something that I’ve heard only David Icke talk about. Do you agree?

I do. To illustrate: I started a thread at godlikeproductions stating the following:

GLP users most likely to work for the CIA (or a similar agency) -

Pick your most likely and rate the likelihood that they work for the CIA (or a similar agency) on a scale of 0-100.

I then listed some of their users with my ratings. The thread was deleted IMMEDIATELY and I was banned! The other day I was banned (and my post was immediately deleted) when I posted, "Either GLP is a private company or a government psyop, either way there's no freedom of speech or rights."

GLP will not allow anyone using proxies to post on their site. As justification, they claim that "spammers" will use proxies to flood their board with links that have dangerous viruses. I've never seen that done on any message board, including GLP. The fact is that they're using the same method that the Bush administration uses, calling anyone they don't like "terrorists" (i.e. spammers = terrorists). This stance naturally brings the following mantras with it: "we must stop the spammers", "we must do whatever it takes to stop the spammers", naturally, even if it means a total loss of privacy for their users. Inability to use proxies equals a total loss of privacy. If GLP is being tracked (if not completely controlled) by government agencies, proxies are their enemy because they want to be able to track who is posting what when. So, I think all this "we must stop the spammers (terrorists)" stuff is just an example of "problem, reaction, solution" in our faces. I started a thread pointing this very thing out a few days and it was quickly deleted.

The issues I’ve raised go far beyond one silly message board, IMHO. I've heard David Icke talk about how the side that opposes something ends up operating exactly like the thing it's opposing. The far far left operates exactly like the far far right. I think it's happening right in front of our faces, not only with GLP but with the 911 truth movement, the new age movement, the anti-Bush movement, etc.

Re: Proof of an Icke maxim?

SkyBlue - I don't use the GLP board, but posting a rating of GLP posters sounds offensive to me.  There's no need. They probably have a policy of zero tolerance against abusing other posters (rightly so imho -this board seems to do it without supervision) - and whether your ratings were complimentary or detrimental is up for judgement, but what wouldnt be , would be your abuse of the forum rules.

Just learn your by your mistakes and move on. (An apology wouldnt go amiss smile )

Anyhoo..
"I've heard David Icke talk about how the side that opposes something ends up operating exactly like the thing it's opposing."


Gandhi was a man of peace, but died by violence.
Whatever we are vibrating about becomes our reality, no matter what direction  it goes in (positive or negative) , and like attracts like.
The key is to become neutral. Everything is just energy and energy attracts like for like. Many times , we hate certain people simply because they have the same (negative) traits that we have (but are not yet ready to acknowledge).

There is no need for member ratings, unless you intend to inflame reactions.
Opinions are like arseholes - sometimes they stink.

We are all learning and some are at advanced stages, and some seem to be at the neanderthal stage, but we should respect others rights to their opinions. We were all neanderthal once, we are just at different stages of learning. You wouldnt go back in time and mock the original neanderthal man for his lack of knowledge on quantum physics, would you?.

Now you can flame me, and give me a rating of zero if you wish (in either case I will not respond), or you can learn and grow.

Either way - all the best Sky Blue - don't take it too seriously..

Re: Proof of an Icke maxim?

skyblue wrote:

When you oppose something, you end up operating exactly like the thing you’re opposing. This is something that I’ve heard only David Icke talk about. Do you agree?...........The issues I’ve raised go far beyond one silly message board, IMHO. I've heard David Icke talk about how the side that opposes something ends up operating exactly like the thing it's opposing. The far far left operates exactly like the far far right. I think it's happening right in front of our faces, not only with GLP but with the 911 truth movement, the new age movement, the anti-Bush movement, etc.

Yes, this is very true.  Add the phenomenon of skeptics to the mix.  In their overzealous to disprove any and all things paranormal/psychic/spiritual/metaphysical, etc., they wind up being just as bad as the people who gullibly believe anything without using discernment.  Each side sits 180 opposite from each other...but is just as bad in equal ways.  I've known both types.

In the end it always boils down to balance.   You see these right wing fanatics like Ann Coulter out there endlessly ripping on liberals, but in her in-person interviews and such it becomes quite apparent that Ms. Coulter doesn't know her own material and is talking out her ass.  Who's the idiot then?  Ann Coulter, or the "idiot liberals" she's always bashing?   So yeah, you see this ALL the time.  It's rampant.  It's the false two choice dichotemy thing.  We're usually only given two polar opposite choices to choose from in this reality, when the best possible choice is the hidden third option that lies somewhere in the middle.  Michael Moore, or Ann Coulter?  How about X!  Neither!   New Age crazy head in the clouds, or rabid atheist skeptic?  How about X!   Neither!   Pro-Bush Republicans, or the Anti-Bush movement who blames everything on the Bush cabinet and fails to see the Bigger Picture regarding "Puppets" and "Behind the scenes black ops cabals" ?   How about X!  Neither!   wink

So yeah, I hear you on this one!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: Proof of an Icke maxim?

Blue wrote:

There is no need for member ratings, unless you intend to inflame reactions.
Opinions are like arseholes - sometimes they stink.

This is what I was trying to get at: rate the likelihood that they work for the CIA (or a similar agency)... It has nothing to do with the quality of their posts or whatever, I was trying to wake people up to the fact that their are government psyop qualities to the site. If you read the rest of the OP, I think you can see that. It has nothing to do with anyone personally.

5 (edited by LipstickMystic 2006-09-14 19:03:16)

Re: Proof of an Icke maxim?

Excellent points, skyblue and everyone. I hope skyblue won't feel that I'm hijacking this thread if I include an excerpt (from one my million or so books in progress!:)  It's about a "true believer" I met who had yet to find the balance that Lyra talks about above.

A True Believer

Iíll never forget Bill the Bank Boy.  When I was about 25, I had a little flirtation going with the handsome teller at my bank.  Weíd briefly chat about this and that, always finding something to laugh about.  Iíd frequently bump into him during his lunch hour as he took a walk around town, and weíd sit on a bench for a few minutes and swap thoughts on life.  He was my age and was very friendly and sweet.

At some point we went out on a sort of ìdate," sharing an actual lunch at a restaurant together.  I spent most of the date as I usually did those days, gingerly mentioning what I did for a living by using carefully-chosen terminology that, I hoped, wouldnít scare the guy off.  I could usually find out within a few minutes where the guy was coming from.  If he was a devout Catholic who had been taught to steer clear of ìwitches," then I knew the friendship would be going nowhere.  I wasnít a witch, but they would think I was after I mentioned things like palm reading, astrology, and the power of mind over matter.  Usually, these men never called me again after an initial outing.

Many Catholic men I was meeting seemed to have this weird thing going on, instantly casting a mystical chick like me in the dual role of Madonna/Whore.  On the one hand, they could tell that I was a sincere spiritual seeker, which made me pure and Madonna-like.  On the other hand, it was likely that the ìstrange stuff" I was into was evil, and I might just be out to pervert their soul.  (And that often turned them on!) Thatís where the ìwhore" thing came into play.  I could never seem to heal that weird split that was happening in the Catholic boysí heads.  These young men seemed deeply indoctrinated into having schizophrenia around female energies.  Casting women in an either/or role, categorizing them as Madonna or whore, seemed to be part and parcel of that particular faith.  I found the whole thing to be very off-putting, and to this day I donít quite understand how people can allow themselves to be programmed in that way.

At the time Bill and I had our little date, I had gone out for a few dinners with people in town, hoping to strike a soul spark with someone.  But these encounters went nowhere.  A lot of men my age were truly, deeply frightened by someone like me.  Either they objected to the very notion of what I was doing with my life on religious grounds, or they tried to tear me down verbally by playing the ìskeptic" card.  Obviously, they werenít skeptics in the true sense of the word.  I doubt Sophocles was in the habit of insulting his female companionís intelligence over the dinner table.  The nasty, hostile attitude of many of my dates cast doom over those potential relationships.

So by the time I was telling Bill about my life at lunch, I was nervous and on the defensive, having been through so much disappointment and rude behavior with my past dining companions.  I found myself prefacing everything I said with, ìNow, I donít want to offend you" or ìI totally respect you if you donít believe in any of this stuff and just want me to shut up about it."

But as our meal progressed, Bill was practically jumping in his seat, he was so excited about what I was telling him.  It turns out that he was fascinated with the world I was describing to him.  ìOh, please keep talking!" he said.  ìIím one of those people who believes in everything!"

I found that incredibly sweet.  ìI believe in everything!"  What a welcome change from the hard-nosed, aggressive dinner companions Iíd been collecting lately.  We went on to share a friendly conversation over a tasty lunch, and I felt better after our discussion.  Here at last was someone who wasnít prepared to burn me at the stake or treat me like a complete fool just because I dared to assert the outrageous principle that the energy of creation can be accessed through meditation, prayer, and visualization and that dialogue with this Higher Power will awaken a personís psychic abilities in the exact time frame that is suitable to that person.

For once, I was able to eat and swallow comfortably and didnít immediately feel like throwing up afterwards.  Dinner with those other guys had been a largely indigestible affair (on more than one level.)  Billís complete acceptance of anything and everything I was talking about was refreshing.

It was a little too refreshing, actually.  Although Bill remained a casual friend of mine until he transferred out of town, our relationship never became a romantic one.  I could see early on, based on just that friendly lunch, that here was someone who was a bit too open-minded.  Until then, I wouldnít have thought such a thing possible.  Now I saw that it was.

Although I was the one with the ìcrazy" life, working in a career which nine tenths of the population still equates with gypsies, tramps, and thieves, I found that spending time with someone who was too much of a ìbeliever" was just as uncomfortable as being with a companion who believed in nothing, who maintained a rigid and unyielding ìIíll believe it when I see it" attitude. 

Bill was a classic case study of someone who had a lovely, open heart and a malleable mind, still quite young in many ways and inexperienced in life (although I, at just 25, wasnít all that experienced, either.)  He was free of hard-set opinions and prejudice.  But he also didnít have a fully developed sense of discernment or an ability to be well, skeptical.  I got the sense through my conversations with him that Billís open-mindedness would get him into trouble one day.  So many sharks infest the waters of life, and they find the legs of innocents to be very tasty snacks.  People who are as sweet and trusting as Bill inevitably get taken advantage of by more nefarious types, sooner or later.  I prayed that he could avoid some of those harsh life lessons, because I didnít want him to turn into a bitter and jaded sort of person.  The man I had lunch with would make some nice girl the perfect husband one day. 

I lost touch with Bill, but I will always be grateful to him for sharing those warm words with me when I ventured to discuss the wacky world of the paranormal.  His kindness healed me somehow, making me feel more confident and accepting about who I was and the unusual journey I was on.  I could see that my work had value and that I shouldnít allow anyone to knock me down.  He also taught me an important lesson about the many genuine seekers who are, perhaps, a little too accepting.  True believers not only needed to learn how to protect themselves, they also needed more education so they could make distinctions between ideas that might be harmful to them and concepts which would empower them.  Open-hearted people like Bill could use a vocabulary lesson in the language of the metaphysical universe.

(end excerpt)

And skyblue is right - living as we do in this polarized reality, it can be a challenge making sure that we don't take on the qualities of the very thing we have identified as "evil" or the "enemy" or as just plain "bad."  And some would say that in attracting negative or "evil" experiences, we are being shown that we have disowned those shadow aspects of our own nature. So that's why the "message" gets so STRONG sometimes from something that appears to be "outside" ourselves.

I think that life here is a paradox consisting of seemingly opposite things coexisting. 

Yes, "bad guys" do exist and seem to be bent on hampering the spiritual free will and sovereignty of many of the denizens of this planet - and we shouldn't be happy about that or tolerate that.

But the more we obsess or become rigid in our examination of these things, the more we become just as rigid and obsessive as "them."

And it's true, on many boards forum moderators and owners struggle constantly to find this same balance.....what do you do when someone who might well be a government or military industrial complex type of chaos inducer really IS stirring up troubles on the board?  You have every right to put a stop to it for the benefit of other forum members, who don't deserve to be sucked into that chaos. Yet the "policing" of  a forum can put you in the unpleasant position of having to take on the same characeristics of those rigid, unyielding characters you're trying to get rid of.

It's all about boundary setting, I guess, and yes, it's all about balance, too.  Neither become a paranoid freak nor a passive wuss. Don't go to the extreme of being a total skeptic, but don't become a believer in "everything" (like Bill from my essay.) Don't be full of hatred and fear, but also don't let yourself become so filled with squashy, squooshy love that you're just inviting the world to stomp on you. (Been there, done that, have the marks on my back to prove it smile

And sometimes on the path, I think it's important to work at reclaiming your innocence. If the pursuit of knowledge, or wisdom (or anything, for that matter!) is turning you into someone you don't want to be, then it's time to be as a child again. Soak up humor, goodwill, and lightness until that heaviness fades.  Reconnect with feelings of buoyancy and don't force yourself to remain in a place of heaviness just because others choose to be.  Honor your own lightness of spirit and do what you can to enhance and nurture that light. The grumpy folks who are dedicated to relieving their own pain might not like it, but you can leave them to it in a loving, noninvolved, way, without hampering their journey or yours.

Those are some ideas, anyway!

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

Re: Proof of an Icke maxim?

skyblue wrote:

This is what I was trying to get at: rate the likelihood that they work for the CIA (or a similar agency)... It has nothing to do with the quality of their posts or whatever, I was trying to wake people up to the fact that their are government psyop qualities to the site. If you read the rest of the OP, I think you can see that. It has nothing to do with anyone personally.

Well settle down here SkyBlue - I dont discern many CIA operatives on this site. smile

Re: Proof of an Icke maxim?

Blue wrote:

I dont discern many CIA operatives on this site. smile

I don't either. smile

8 (edited by One Meal A Day 2006-09-28 14:29:32)

Re: Proof of an Icke maxim?

The issues I’ve raised go far beyond one silly message board, IMHO. I've heard David Icke talk about how the side that opposes something ends up operating exactly like the thing it's opposing. The far far left operates exactly like the far far right. I think it's happening right in front of our faces, not only with GLP but with the 911 truth movement, the new age movement, the anti-Bush movement, etc.

Yeah, it's disturbing.

I tried another site before I came to this one (Not gonna mention any names but I have a sneaking suspicion you might know which one I'm talking about), it had a lot of new age ideas which I found fascinating, but upon joining and on my first post (Which was in no way targetted to offend anyone), I was instantly jumped on by every mod on the site. At first their argument was that I wasn't being clear enough, I have problems, I know that, and I apologized, but as they continued I came to realize that they were in fact jumping on me because (Coincidentally) I mentioned that I like David Icke. I found this ignorant for two reasons.

1. The site's ideas were a LOT like David Icke's, and like David Icke's they were Alternative Sciences unbacked by the mainstream.

2. The moderators insisted that their truth was somehow more valid than David Icke's because David Icke's theories are (See Reason 1)

That's not only hypocritical, that's just plain wrong, I partly blame myself for not being clear in what I said and for not reading the hidden sentences in the rules. However I also question their integrity in stating that their "truth" is somehow more valid than that of other people in their own field and that differing opinions are evil.

I mean, even the Bush administration is more subtle than that, even if they still err the same way.

I know I basically brought up another site as an example but I think Skyblue is right, there's just a very disturbing pattern here of people forming parties that are there just to replace the Figure Heads rather than change the System.

I'm glad this site is different at least, there isn't even a Post Count, which is certainly a breath of fresh air.

The sound he makes turns their heads
A sigh
And they're walking again

Re: Proof of an Icke maxim?

One Meal, you are in the right place.... I expect you'll see that yourself in a very short time.

Happy posting, J

"I hate dreaming. because when you want to sleep, you want to sleep. Dreaming is work. Next thing you know I have to build a go-kart with my ex landlord"
-The late Mitch Hedberg

10 (edited by z3n3rg 2006-09-28 15:31:00)

Re: Proof of an Icke maxim?

This forum is a CIA asset.  I know for a fact that the forum owner is in Virginia at his own admission.  If nothing else, guilt by proximity.  smile

But seriously, this forum is the oasis.  There are disagreements, of course, but rare it is that you see "The Man" step in.

Oh and yes, I've noticed that people take on the characteristics of that which they oppose.  I'm sure GLP is in the pocket of some black budget.  As well as Coast2Coast and a slew of other ones.  Heck, the whole New Age Movement is a psyop.  It's not a bad thing though.  A discerning eye can learn a lot from disinformation.

11 (edited by Hermit Brad 2006-09-28 20:59:28)

Re: Proof of an Icke maxim?

I remember going to GLP about a year ago, when the whole 'The Beast' hoax was being circulated. It was obvious, to me at least, that it was bunk. I visited the forum earlier today and it seems to be infested with the less-educated among our ranks. If it is disinfo, which it could be, considering the aforementioned hoax, they're not doing a good job.

"There cannot be progress without expression. There cannot be expression without separation. There cannot be separation without progress."-Ouroboros

12 (edited by lyra 2006-09-29 17:19:16)

Re: Proof of an Icke maxim?

z3n3rg wrote:

This forum is a CIA asset.  I know for a fact that the forum owner is in Virginia at his own admission.  If nothing else, guilt by proximity.  smile

But seriously, this forum is the oasis.  There are disagreements, of course, but rare it is that you see "The Man" step in.

Oh and yes, I've noticed that people take on the characteristics of that which they oppose.  I'm sure GLP is in the pocket of some black budget.  As well as Coast2Coast and a slew of other ones.  Heck, the whole New Age Movement is a psyop.  It's not a bad thing though.  A discerning eye can learn a lot from disinformation.

Hey z3n3rg.......off topic, but I'm thinking this really needs to be pointed out to the forum.....I've had several people ask me if you are actually former NR poster "Zarg" reincarnated.  !!!  And I know you posted an introduction in the Members Introduction thread, but people don't pay attention to that.  So maybe this is a good time to bring it to people's attention that z3n3rg is NOT "Zarg", even though both names start and end in "Z" and "G", and even though it was coincidental uncanny timing that z3n3rg showed up right as Zarg exited.   big_smile   Tom and I have met z3n3rg in person, and he's cool.   And even though both names have "Z" and "G", one is prounounced with a hard G, while the other is pronounced "Zen-ergy", as in, zen-energy.

It's a little late to be mentioning this, but I've kept forgetting about it.  What reminded me today is that I just received email from somebody who was concerned because they didn't get your humor regarding NR being a CIA asset, and knowing that montalk lives in Virginia.   I had to explain, he's just kidding...we've met z3n3rg, he's cool, he's a regular in the chat room, of course he knows where montalk lives, because they're off-forum acquaintences, so nothing to see here folks, move it along.   big_smile   haha 

Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled program!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: Proof of an Icke maxim?

Zarg?!  Arg!!  big_smile

Yea, I'm not Zarg.  This is the only name I've used on this forum.  And I have met "Montalk" and "Lyra" in the good ole real-world.

I can assure everyone that they have no affiliation to any government agencies except maybe their MILAB experiences.  Which proves that the agencies see them as threats to the system.  And that just warms my heart.

So give us your bored, your confused,
your noble masses yearning to think free,
the wretched threats to growing tyranny.
Send these, the intelligent, those who disagree.

14 (edited by Magical_Mongoose 2006-09-29 11:05:25)

Re: Proof of an Icke maxim?

I've read "Children of the Matrix", and it was a pretty basic, unfocused piece of literature. In fact, I don't even know what I've gained from it, besides: flouride is evil, the worlds elites are evil half-reptillians, the Bilderbergers are evil, the NWO is evil, the Masons, the Mormans are satanic...evil, evil, evil. Tell me something I don't know.
Ontop of that, even his "documentation" of alien influence upon Earth was uninspiring...it didn't set anything off in my head, so his position as a "paradigm-shifter" is merely something the New Age community has set upon him due to the lack of anything greater. We must remember that Icke is a mainstream conspiracy "theorist" wink, and thus, he's earned a good living simply by repeating what others have said. In terms of a pioneer, even though he's reportedly had his kundalini "blown" while he was in South America, he's not high on my list of thought-provoking people. Personally, I feel he partially serves the agenda by lowering people down to the vibrational level of those he's crying out agaisnt.
Though he can't be blamed for this, as people have the responsibility of maintaining their own frequency. I think Icke does have the best interest of humanity at heart. But personally, I'm ready to sell his book.
If you haven't read him, try it out. You may like him, or you may not.

"Don't eat any wooden nickels."

Re: Proof of an Icke maxim?

Lyra, Montalk and  z3n3rg are the good ones from the FBI X-files, not CIA.
The TV series X-files was based on their lives...   roll

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