Topic: "Your car is spying on you"

I saw the title "Your car is spying on you" on the AOL home page, the section of the page at the top that has rolling headlines, and I decided to check it out. What was surprising to me about this article was not that legal steps were being taken to put EDRs in all cars by 2008, rather it was some of the wording (as you'll see) and that this particular vein of exposing "Big Brother" was right out in plain sight, and basically flashing before the public's eyes.

For quite a while now I rarely read anything that's on a server's home page, save for articles about astronomy, so maybe there are more articles on the mainstream internet newspages/flashes that do have this kind of retalitory language in them, but I don't think I've ever before read anything quite as challenging of the system as is in this article.

big_smile This Eric Peters sounds like a Noble Realms member!


Who’s Watching?

By ERIC PETERS



Big Brother will be watching you for sure by 2008 -- the year a proposed requirement that Event Data Recorders (EDRs) become mandatory standard equipment in all new cars and trucks will become law unless public outrage puts the kibosh on it somehow.

EDRs are "black boxes" -- just like airplanes have. They can record a wide variety of things -- including how fast you drive and whether you "buckle-up for safety." The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) wants EDRs to be installed in every new vehicle beginning with model year 2008 -- on the theory that the information will help crash investigators more accurately determine the hows and whys of accidents.

But EDRs could -- and likely will be -- used for other purposes as well.

Tied into GPS navigation computers, EDRs could give interested parties -- your local cash-hungry sheriff, for example -- the ability to take automated ticketing to the next level. Since the data recorders can continuously monitor most of the operating parameters of a vehicle as it travels -- and the GPS unit can precisely locate the vehicle in "real time," wherever it happens to be at any given moment -- any and all incidents of "speeding" could be immediately detected and a piece of paying paper issued to the offender faster than he could tap the brake. That's even if he knew he was in the crosshairs, which of course he wouldn't. Probably they'll just erect an electronic debiting system of some sort that ties directly into your checking account -- since the paperwork could not keep up with the massive uptick in fines that would be generated.


If you think this is just a dark-minded paranoiac vision, think again. Rental car companies have already deployed a very similar system of onboard electronic monitoring to identify customers who dare to drive faster than the posted limit -- and automatically tap them with a "surcharge" for their scofflaw ways. While this inventive form of "revenue enhancement" was challenged and subsequently batted down by the courts, the technology continues to be honed -- and quietly put into service.

Already, 15-20 percent of all the cars and trucks in service have EDRs; most of these are General Motors vehicles. GM has been installing "black boxes" in its new cars and trucks since about 1996 as part of the Supplemental Restraint (air bag) system. Within a few years, as many as 90 percent of all new motor vehicles will be equipped with EDRs, according to government estimates -- whether the requirement NHTSA is pushing actually becomes law or not.

The automakers are just as eager to keep tabs on us as the government -- in part to keep the shyster lawyers who have been so successfully digging into their deep pockets at bay. EDRs would provide irrefutable evidence of high-speed driving, for example -- or make it impossible for a person injured in a crash to deny he wasn't wearing a seat belt.

Insurance companies will launch "safety" campaigns urging that "we use available technology" to identify "unsafe" drivers -- and who will be able to argue against that? Everyone knows that speeding is against the law -- and if you aren't breaking the law, what have you got to worry about?

It's all for our own good.

But if you get edgy thinking about the government -- and our friends in corporate America -- being able to monitor where we go and how we go whenever they feel like checking in on us, take the time to write a "Thanks, but no thanks" letter to NHTSA at http://dms.dot.gov/

Given the author's take on this, as exampled in the bolded parts, I couldn't help but imagine that when he wrote "It's all for our own good" that he was as well thinking, "Yeah...:/ right."

At least that's what this NR member would be thinking wink , and likely so will many of you.


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Funny you should post this, auendove.  I was just thinking today as I sat in traffic behind
a Cadillac with its Northstar "Navigation."  Navigation my axe.  EASY TRACKING by whoever wants
to find you.  Give me a car without a fricking computer and I'll show you a car that won't
get stalled the minute they decide to fry the chips and disable all the computers.

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Tom Paine wrote:

Give me a car without a fricking computer and I'll show you a car that won't
get stalled the minute they decide to fry the chips and disable all the computers.

Whoa, now there's a thought I hadn't had...good grief, that sure would take care of a number of problems "Big Brother" may foresee if they wanted to immobilize the population.

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

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Makes me miss my carbuerated motorcycle even more, no chips to fry or disable and it could outrun CHP cars (that's why they took it from me, hehe)

But this isn't even new, as he said they have been doing it since 1996. What ISN'T spying on us is the question?, they can track and tap into cell/wireless home phones and anything with a battery and some sort of antennea it seems.

Am I the only one that thinks the TV is watching you back? I think the actual screen can act as the "camera" or lens like a one-way mirror somehow, displaying decoded information as video but also sending back through the signal whatever is in it's angle of view...?

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No prob, there are millions of decent used cars for sale....

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Freeyermind---Ever notice when you're turning off the TV there's a FLASH...?  Like they're
taking a snapshot of you?  I try to give them the finger when I can remember to do it.

My grandmother who was at the time going senile would tell me that they were watching
us in our living room, so when no one was looking I would make obscene gestures and
moon the TV tube to prove her wrong.
Then the phone rang and I knew it was THEM!

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Seeker--yeah, but they'll make you put in a tracking device or black box when you get your
car inspected. 

Let's see 'em put one on my mountain bike.  Bastards.

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I've actually seen ON TV, the phrase YOUR TV IS WATCHING YOU, or something to that extent. OH! it was on Adam corrolas talk/comedy show on comedy central, like that was his subject of the night or something he wanted to talk about, but it was never brought up again or explained what he meant...

I try and keep the 'tube unplugged when not in use, a tip i saw in a movie theatre before they were starting the movie, as a means to reduce power usage. Why? Because there is something still running when "not in use"....

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There is no privacy in this reality if you think about it. We are always being watched by someone. smile

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Related thoughts...

OnStar is a subscription-based communications, monitoring, and tracking service provided by General Motors. As of 2005, it is a standard feature for many General Motors vehicles, and it will be standard on all new GM vehicles sold in North America by 2007.  {Link}

I have reason to suspect that OnStar does more than just communication, monitoring, and tracking.  It may be able to actually take control of the vehicle in real-time.  There is a computer in all these vehicles.  And all vehicles have an antenna.  The possibility exists.

I just seen a commercial for "Dell Connect" which now comes with all Dell PCs.  This allows the techsupport staff to remotely connect to your computer to fix any issues you might have.  We used to use such remote connection programs to mess with people at the office I worked.

Satellites have the capacity to count the hairs on your knuckles.

"Somebody up there loves you."© -- {Direct TV Commercial}

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Yeah, they just can't steer your vehicle (unless they have the steering column connected to hydraulic-computers as well) but they sure can take control, activate brakes or turn of the engine all together etc.

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Oh sure.  Let Dell or Comcast or whoever be your friend and remotely fix your computer.
No need to turn that function off when you're not using it.  Just leave the back door open
for them to take a picture of your entire computer in the wink of an eye.  What the heck.
The ___has a backdoor key anyway.
They may not be able to remotely steer your vehicle yet.  But they can sure disable it.

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Actually, taking control of the steering is what I have reason to suspect OnStar has the capacity of doing.

It's funny in a way.  My budget has still not allowed me to have a car even from the 90s ('88 to be exact).  So by default of being a poor bastage I'm safe from any alleged nefarious plots.

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The trouble with older cars is that you can't get parts for them because every car in the
junkyard has the same worn parts that your car does.  Ideally you could know a shade-tree
mechanic who could keep your old car running.  Hey, you could have an AM radio too!

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Who needs AM when you have an 8-track player?  My in-dash record player kept skipping so I decided to see what the fuss was all about with these new fangled 8-tracks.  The cartridges are so small.  Technology is just amazing.  Next their going to tell me I can talk on the phone anywhere I want.  Pfft.