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Re: organic portals and elitism

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Elitism: entitlement; special privileges; double standards; unwritten rules; nepotism; meme(ism); favoritism

The individual is the antithesis of the group's heirarchical structure which supports one group's values over another opposing set of values.

Only the individual can survive without a structure; specialization is a key factor in the structure that forces the individual to be less than the whole.  Individuation is the only hope for this perceived  freedom.

Self employment: the only realistic key for the individual to escape the matrix.

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Re: organic portals and elitism

When I first woke up and started sensing people, including these "organic portals", I was really creeped out by them because I definitely had that strange feeling that they were soulless.  And this really, really bothered me... not just that they felt soulless, but that I was actually thinking they might be, and what did that say about me?

So I've actually meditated quite a bit on this issue.  And not long ago, a possible answer came to me (at least, an answer relative to my own Path, your mileage may vary, I'm sure you all know what I mean)...

That answer involved the upcoming singularity and during our approach to it, the rapid convergence of spiritual paths and timelines (and as this convergence is bidirectional, a corresponding splintering of timelines as well).  The quickening and merging of parallel universes and such.

The idea was that these "organic portals" are not truly "soulless" at the higher levels.  They're just soulless in this timeline, the one I'm currently in.  Whether it was at a traumatic point at any point in life, or some change in spiritual lesson plan based on early childhood events, or even a "nah, nevermind" choice made while still in the womb, at some point a soul *did* inhabit a portal's body... they just don't anymore in this timeline, because the path that soul needed to take was in a different direction.  In that soul's actual desired timeline, the body that they inhabit (be it equivalent to the organic portal body, or a totally new one) is very much ensouled, and is obvious as such.  Just not here.

The thing is, this kind of thing happens constantly, and has been happening since the beginning of forever (as all time is illusory anyway).  The thing that makes our current situation different and the OPs much more apparent is because of this convergence of timelines and this reunion of global consciousness.  This kind of thing has always been happening, but we weren't aware of it, simply because we're more aware now *in general* than we were before, and this will continue to escalate until the singularity itself.  Before this convergence, the alternate timelines where OPs would reside would generally be so far into the realm of the "invisible elsewhere" (thinking in terms of Hawking's 5D light cones here) that they'd rarely if ever even enter into our lives.  Now, everything is so much more connected on so many levels, that the veil on this very natural phenomenon has been lifted.

I actually see this as one possible interpretation of the idea of "the dead rising from the grave" at the end times.  In previous times, these pseudo-people would be "dead" to us, invisible by virtue of their previous souls having moved onto a different path.  Now, they're everywhere, and they feel "dead" to us, and we don't necessarily know why.

In order to not be elitist about the whole thing, I try to remind myself of this concept whenever I get initially creeped out by an OP.  That way, instead of continuing to be creeped out or feeling egoic in any way, I try to silently honor the soul of that being who, while not currently in that blank body in front of me, once very much was there, and that thus for at least a little while this body did shelter a real soul and had definite meaning.  What remains may be nothing more than the walking dead, an organic machine left behind while still running, running on the inertia of the quickening pace of this time of ours... but that wasn't always the case, and to the extent that there was once deliberate meaning in that vessel, I say Namaste to the Creator that Meaning.

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Oh, and I should clarify... with regard to the OPs having a soul "at some point", it is always possible that that "some point" may be in this timeline's future.  The OP could very well just be a still-incubating vessel for a walk-in, and not necessarily a dark walk-in either; it may be a light walk-in who's going to be very busy soon and wanted to help out without more (potentially unnecessary) training.  Being a "wanderer" myself, I've always tried to be very conscious and respectful of this possibility.

You never know, that creepy OP you see on the street today may be the brightest being you've ever met tomorrow, depending on what transpires tonight.  Always treat each moment with fresh eyes; you never know what might have happened while you weren't paying attention. smile

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That's a pretty enlightneing post there, Kinsei.  Like some of the "automatons" may actual be being prepared as some sort of vessel.  I also like the possible explanation of the "dead returning to life."  Christianity, having been warped into such a morbid simulacrum of salvation, seems to cherish the idea of rotting zombies walking around while God rains down fire and brimstone on the heretics. 

This discussion brings to mind a certain scene in the movie "Waking Life" (the scene with Ethan Hawke) where he's wondering where all these "young souls" come from, what with the population explosion and all.  The idea has recently occured to me that maybe some people are actually fractured souls.  Rather than being a negative thing, like a lost paradise, it almost seems like things are being broken down into fundamentals, time and life are sifting things out, kind of like a fractal: smaller and smaller peices of a whole cyclicaly working themselves out at an accelerating rate. 

Thinking of these monumental times, I'm often referred to the symbol (and I'm sure this is nothing new) of a funnel or waterspout, where things are worlds apart on the event horizon but as they approach the singularity, things are speeding up and coming closer and closer. 

I guess I'm getting off-topic here.  But hey, with these types of discussions, about life and being and universe and absolutes, there's really no "off-topic," is there?

Hey!  This self-actualization stuff is great!  Now if I could just quit smoking...

20 (edited by Lemniscate 2006-06-07 07:48:03)

Re: organic portals and elitism

kinsei wrote:

The idea was that these "organic portals" are not truly "soulless" at the higher levels.  They're just soulless in this timeline, the one I'm currently in.  Whether it was at a traumatic point at any point in life, or some change in spiritual lesson plan based on early childhood events, or even a "nah, nevermind" choice made while still in the womb, at some point a soul *did* inhabit a portal's body... they just don't anymore in this timeline, because the path that soul needed to take was in a different direction.  In that soul's actual desired timeline, the body that they inhabit (be it equivalent to the organic portal body, or a totally new one) is very much ensouled, and is obvious as such.  Just not here.

Wait a second . . . this was one of those "spiritual braking" moments when something just "synched" . . .

Could a soul inhabit multiple corporeal bodies...? Could physical bodies share the same soul?

Here's why I ask:

I have had soooo many people swear that they know me (yet I don't know them). Sometimes it takes twenty minutes or more to convince them otherwise.

There are times when I'm driving along in the car, or doing something menial, and all of a sudden it feels like my "soul" or higher self, or soul at a more advanced stage "jacks into" my body, like I'm ready for it because of the decisions I've made or other synchronistic possibility (soul upgrade...?) and it was waiting for the right time (universal law dictating habitation rules...?).

This sensation is literally like you're being filled with more of your own self/soul, you become more aware, and it feels like "you've advance". Yet it's almost like you've been running on autopilot, and all of a sudden you're back at the wheel.

I know that I've looked in my eyes at times, and there doesn't seem like there's much life there. But most of the time they're teeming with life. I thought maybe I was just tired, but does a soul possibly go where it is needed? Or called? Could this also possibly explain the "dream state"? Could the process of meditation help to "anchor" the soul, which could be why so many successful meditators feel so "centered"?

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Kinsei, did you know about OP's before you started sensing them (sense them, and then be like "that must be an OP like I heard about)?  Or did it take you by surprise, and you found the name later?

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Seventh, the latter; I felt them and didn't know how to describe the feeling; only after being here later did the OP term find its way into my vocabulary as I hadn't previously heard anything that fit well, but this definitely did.

Also, Kingsrook and Lemniscate... both of you brought up some interesting ideas there (Kingsrook's funnel sifting / fractal concept, and Lemniscate's idea of a soul sharing multiple bodies simultaneously); I'm definitely pondering both of them.  For example I think the body sharing idea may be an extension of the OP situation, but maybe one where a soul entry/exit timeframe for body isn't necessarily a one-time "digital" thing, it's more of an "analog" level of presence in any given body at any given time.  Good stuff there; definitely things to chew on more.