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Topic: Fahrenheit 9/11

I went to the 5:30 show last night.  It was a packed house.  Apparently the 2:30 PM show was sold out.  And the 7:30 show was sold out.

Here's an article I found on Rense.com which does a good job of summing up what I felt as well:

"If Michael Moore didn't quite do all his homework with regard to who may have been behind the 9-11 attack, that does not change the fact that the people of the United States were lied to to trick them into wars. And it is THAT message of the film which is the important one. But the hard fact remains that Michael Moore did not get ALL of the story of 9-11. Not by a long shot. "Fahrenheit 9/11" is just the tip of the iceberg.

Fahrenheit 9/11 is not an indictment of just George Bush. Fahrenheit 9/11 is not an indictment of just Republicans. Fahrenheit 9/11 is an indictment of the entire US Government that had to know Bush was lying to the American people to initiate as war and stood there smiling blandly while he did it. Like Hitler, Bush could not do what he did without a lot of cooperation by the entire government and the media."

Here's the complete article:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/faren … moore.html

While there are a lot of things "wrong" with this film I believe there is a great deal more right about it. 

No, it's not going to change the fact that politicians are an almost inhuman breed of soul less robots.  BUT, I believe it will give the man in the street some renewed hope.  It will give the guy who hasn't given this war much thought, a new look.  It will give the family who has lost someone, a new look.  This movie will shift perpectives ... it will shift, if only for a few hours, the focus.

What I found the hardest to do while watching the movie was NOT to engage in becoming livid, angry, irrate ... in other words, I had to work at not feeding the lizzies with negative emotions.

Not so easy to do.

BUT, I believe that with a shift of perspective of many people ... and a different focus, some truth can filter into the consciousness of America ... and thus create some meaningful changes.

Michael Moore's movie acts as a sledge hammer to start to loosen up the concretized common view of the world.

To me, it doesn't matter, if he misses the mark ... doesn't name the right names ... he is responsible for getting many to start to look again... to start to break up the concrete.

The common view of the world ... programming ... cannot be blown apart in one magic moment (film, pill, book,) ... the veils hiding truth are 100,000 (according to the sufi's ... or maybe it's 10,000) ...he's lifing a few of those veils.

Whether or not you like the movie, agree with Moore's premise, anything ... to see a movie where not one person got up during the movie (to get popcorn, make a call etc), where there was no talking, was an experience well worth the admission!

WR,
Christine B

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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11

Nicely put, Christine.  I'd like to see this film as well.  It's always good to know what the masses are being shown.  Then when the opportunity presents, one can add to a conversation - "yeah, and similar to that movie, you know, Fahrenheit 9/11, although with aliens, hyper-dimensional physics, and consciousness-driven spirituality".

MU'06
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Precisely, Cameron.

I sat next to a young couple (strangers).  I asked them why they came to the movie.  She came because of numerous emails from "movingon.org" which she joined because of the "women's movement" - he came because he "was told not to by the media" -

I mentioned to them before the movie started something about the  bush complicity of 9/11 and various coverups.  Very briefly without any detail...but I added that I remember very clearly when Kennedy was assassinated.  The vast vast majority of the population honestly believed it was one crazy man.  The concept of a conspiracy was many years away from the consciousness of America.

Now..."everybody knows" Oswald didn't act alone.  I told these two strangers that I was in hopes that it wouldn't take the years for the general population to realize that 9/11 isn't remotely what we've been told...including probably what Moore had to say.  And left it at that.

I added...you know...true conspiracy stuff...like chemtrails.  Two very blank stares looked back at me - (in an area where there are so many chemtrails the sky looks like hundreds of pilots playing tic-tac-toe many mornings) - they didn't have a clue.  Hadn't even heard the word.

I told them to check it out on google.

Yup...this movie is a great way to bring to a willing table ... some of what we discuss and share here. 

WR,
Christine

4 Reply by UnbiddenTruth (edited by UnbiddenTruth 2004-06-26 22:49:27)

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Something that always bothered me about chemtrails and clouds is.. well.. what's a good way for someone who's still 'not seeing' to tell the difference? Occaisionally I see what I would call angel wings in the sky. Literally, but at the same time, I hear airplanes flying overhead quite a bit during the day. So I'm not exactly sure what to make of all that. I want to add that as far as symbols go, I consider them all compromised, so I am not insinuating anything specific by the ones that I see.

Though recently I've discovered that there are land based vehicals that create the effect of 'the sound of airplanes' in the sky by way of reverb. (basically, the frequency of the 'land vehical' is almost identical to the effect of a 'non land vehical' up in the sky after relfection) Though I'm not sure what to make of this, it's possible that 'flying' things sometimes mascquerade as 'land things' and vise versa. It's the way that a really intense earth based sound is sometimes difficult to hear on the ground-it's not so difficult to hear once it's reflected back down by the 'daytime sky' layer-because of wind resistance, trees, dust, etc.

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UnT,

I'm not clear about your point and what you are saying. 

The way to tell the difference between chemtrails and clouds is to look early enough in the formation ... I've never seen a cloud form as an arrow straight line ...

Usually the objection is that chemtrails aren't chemtrails, just jet plane "exhaust"

But, I'm sure you have a point I'm missing.  I don't get the second paragraph at all.

Thanks,
Christine B.

6 Reply by UnbiddenTruth

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My point really in the second paragraph is that sounds, just like visuals, are easily distorted by several things. What I was refering to here is a 'kite' effect with airplane and chopper noises. Sometimes a ground based vehical, with proper acuostics, can make it sound like there's a plane or chopper going over head, when in fact there isn't.. I've seen a lot of odd things in the sky lately, none of which I'd call alien however. Simply wierd.

and my question of chemtrails is do they have any distinguishing features besides planes leave them behind? Is there a website with detailed info?

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Unbidden,

Thank you for the clarification.  There is a thread on this board, started by Cameron about chemtrails.  NR/general discussion, page 3/chemtrail synch.  Some great photos!!

As for a website - I just use google and go from there. 

WR,
Christine B.

8 Reply by Moralman

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Dear Friends
kind regards
I haven't seen Fahrenheit 9/11 as of yet but according to such men as David Icke and Henry Makow..........it was dissapointment.
Icke and Makow are not usually wrong so I'll take them at their word.
I always believed that Michael Moore wasn't going to jeopardise his overall career in Hollywood and he hasn't because apparently every Israeli connection to this saga wasn't mentioned in his documentary.
Seriously...........Who is going to give Moore any credit for condemning Bush?
George W Bush is public enemy no 1 and everyone hates and condemns him.
Michael Moore is a conman.
I am sick and tired of all of these phoneys jumping on the bandwagon pretending to give a damn.
No doubt Moore is simply lobbying for John Kerry his fellow Jew who will no doubt increase the American governments support for Israel.
yours thankfully
John

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moralman wrote:

George W Bush is public enemy no 1 and everyone hates and condemns him.
Michael Moore is a conman.

Hello John,

I have no idea where you live but sadly, George Bush is not public enemy #1 according to recent surveys, here in the US. 

True, Michael Moore missed a great deal in this movie ... either by choice or by lack of discernment/knowledge however, this movie has gotten a lot of people who were firmly stuck in one perspective to start to shift perspectives.

I like Icke and Makow as well HOWEVER, don't you think it's a tad dangerous to take ANYONE at their word?  What if their word only served THEIR agenda ... which both Icke and Makow surely have (not that that is bad, it just is what it is) and failed completely to show a different side?

Fahrenheit 911 is a good conversation starter ... so far, I've found discussing the Zionist agenda a bit of a conversation stopper ... except with a very enlightened few.

WR,,
Christine B.

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Christine wrote:

Fahrenheit 911 is a good conversation starter...

I agree.

Moore's documentaries at least awaken many couch-potatoes to the process of firing neurons again...

My mother and her friends went to see Fahrenheit 9/11 while I decided to go watch King Arthur (dissapointment, might I add). I have already watched Moores other documentaries and thought it would be a waste to watch a documentary on the 'big-screen' when I'd rather enjoy some movie-magic.

I had a thought when watching the people leaving the theatre.

Recently I've been organizing my life and dividing my processes into two: Mind and Body.

For the Body I have setup a daily-routine. The Mind is a more complicated matter. I have been thinking about how our 'attention', our very thought-processes perhaps direct a large portion of our energies. Perhaps we are not even aware of how significant this really is. I was thinking about T.V. and how I would classify it as a 1st level distracter. It directs our attention on shows that promote our imagination, but promote stagnation of intelligence rather than growth.

Then I thought about how I enjoyed Moores documentaries because they promoted thinking AWAY from the world is good as it is, to taking action and perhaps thinking on our own. But I don't think this really is the effect that Moores documentaries have. I think I would label his works as 2nd level distracters. To go along with his thoughts, you have to support that "the system" works. That voting works. That our thoughts, our beliefs, our actions matter or can have an effect on the system that is already there. Instead of changing the system, Moore promotes acting and supporting the system as to make it as we wish it. So instead of voting for Bush (Puppet #1), vote for Kerry (Puppet #2) or whatever else cotton-character there is on the ballot. For the voter to believe in the system, vote in the system, and THEREFORE feed their energies into assuming and hence reinforcing their comfort-zones of "the system works if we wish it to work."

I really believe that once a person begins to detach themselves from supporting (feeding) distracting-sources, the energies that are vectored towards those ends become freed. Part of what Gurdjieff and the rest call the 'magnetic-center' begins to form.

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So those are my thoughts. Even though I think they are ultimately harmful and just secondary, clever (indirect, as Moore means well and is a good-hearted man in my opinion) ploys to encourage the populace to continue feeding, documentaries such as this still motivate "thinking", and that can certainly lead to "awakening" if that path is chosen.

11 Reply by aaronfirebrand

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BlackBox, you're correct. It's only a ruse. All I can say about Fahrenheit 911 is: Moore Lies! He makes a good show of presenting truth, but that truth is only partial. You can get people to believe something by including some truth in the equation, but that won't make the whole thing true, and it won't make it the "whole truth". Christine B., polls are like votes, absolutely meaningless. It doesn't matter what shrub's numbers are: he and his father and his father's father are the most despicable traitors this country has ever known. I just realized why he's the prez--to attract and encourage our hatred/negative emotions. Thanks, BB.

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Dear Christine
kind regards
I live in the UK and I am surprised that his popularity is at a high in the US.
I understand your view on taking people at their word and I don't agree with everything that Icke and Makow say.
Michael Moore is an ugly overweight slob trying to act like the champion of truth whilst deliberately harbouring Israeli interests.
The UN court ruled 14 to 1 that Israel should remove their apartheid wall and the Israeli government refused.
Aaronfirebrand is spot on about the Bush bloodline.
yours thankfully
John

13 Reply by BlackBox (edited by BlackBox 2004-07-10 13:23:35)

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MoralMan wrote:

Michael Moore is an ugly overweight slob trying to act like the champion of truth.

That is a pretty harsh comment to be directed to someone you barely know. Have you seen his other documentaries? "Roger & Me" and "Bowling for Columbine"?

14 Reply by Christine B. (edited by Christine B. 2004-07-10 14:08:10)

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Moralman,

I am not knocking you for your substantial knowledge of the Zionist agenda ... but as I said earlier ... with 99.999% of the population it's a closed discussion ... way way over most people's head ... therefore it does zero good to bring it up as it's too "out there"

Better to talk a bit closer to what is real for someone.  At least that is what I believe.

WR.
Christine

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Dear Friends
kind regards
Blackbox.........
I haven't watched any Michael Moore documentaries.
I appreciate where you are coming from but I find it very offensive when someone acts as the champion of information and truth but then distorts it.
Christine B.........
The Zionist Illuminati agenda may be over alot of people's heads but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't discuss it.
If society and the souls within it are going to improve-we NEED to discuss the truth and that is the sole reason for me being here as I am among friends and allies who seek the truth out.
yours thankfully
John