spirituality - physics - conspiracy - philosophy - wisdom - and more...
You are not logged in. Please login or register.
Noble Realms → General Discussion → Salvia Divinorium
I plan to take a significant dosage under the stars in time for next week's full moon. Last time I looked at the moon on 'shrooms they were moving about in a dance, like a giant connect-the-dots of the gods.
Barefoot Doc
I'm guessing Salvia Divinorium is illegal?. I was wondering does it have side effects? I have heard all kinds of storys where people go totally bonkers from taking mushrooms and Lsd. If i wanted to get my hands on some, how would i go about it? I am 17 and have never done anything that hard, i have smoked a far bit of weed though. I heard that if you have a few depresion problems that you shouldn't mess with mushrooms, is that the same case with Salvia?
http://www.sagewisdom.org/usersguide.html
here's a user's guide
It's not illegal yet!
peace
I'm guessing Salvia Divinorium is illegal?. I was wondering does it have side effects?
Salvia is still legal in the UK and many other countries because it's not that well known and most governments haven't deemed it important enough to pass laws against it.
I have heard all kinds of storys where people go totally bonkers from taking mushrooms and Lsd.
I think that's mostly disinfo. Many years ago I used to say the same thing, and just about everyone will tell you they've heard all kinds of stories of people going bonkers, but if you actually ask people if they know of anybody personally who's gone bonkers then hardly anyone ever has. It's largely a myth. I'm certainly not saying there's no risk involved. People can, and perhaps very very occasionally do, lose their mind from taking psychedelics. However, I'd say the risk to most people is extremely minimal unless they already suffer from a mental illness.
As I said earlier in this thread I'm personally not a fan of Salvia although I'll admit I've only used it once, but the experience felt damaging to me (short term anyway, i felt fine the next day) so I decided not to pursue it any further. I've read quite a few Salvia trip reports and it does seem to adversely affect people more than most other psychedelics.
If you're completely new to psychedelics I'm not sure if Salvia is the best thing for you to start with. It could prove to be like throwing yourself in the deep end before you've learnt to swim. Although you do have the benefit of it being just a 15 minute experience if things do turn nasty!
Personally I would recommend starting with a small dose of mushrooms if you can get hold of any. Don't take them (or any other psychedelic) if you're feeling depressed at the time, but if you can lift yourself into a positive frame of mind, and make sure you have a sitter with you, I would think a small mushroom dose would give you the gentlest and easiest introduction to the world of pyschedelics.
I would echo what Aya says. Salvia is unlike any other halucinagenic and cannot be compared them. Unlike shrooms which give a glimse into unseen realms with feelings of intition, heightened awareness and a jigsaw forming a picture you still have your core ego in the background as you have one foot in this world and one foot in another but breakthrough with Salvia is experieced as real with a lucidity more real than real, both feet in, usulally with a total loss of ego and self as this life becomes the dream and you wake up to other selves. Shrooms and acid loss of ego comes in stages but you are still aware of being you if you know what i mean.
The first time i used it i was so shocked by my waking dreams and how this ego life is but a dream, i was in a state of flux for weeks after and just became super humble. I really thought i had found out things i should not have known about and maybe there are some things best left unknown at the time.
Salvia is not for everyone and thats for sure but i have read about many healings with both slavia and DMT too, especially for mental disorders.
I think people are only at risk from these plant teachers who either abuse them too much which can throw open the chakras and leave one too un-earthed, a loss of grounding or are just too psychologically unadaped to go with the flow of the trip.
Only an individual can decide what is right for them, i would not have thought myself ready at 17 for Salvia but thats me.
I would recommend reading the user guide at sage wisdom and reading all the trip reports at erowid. http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/ … orum.shtml
Earwigs have been crawling about lately, and today I found one in the (tightly sealed) tin where I keep my Salvia. Strange.
Having worked with Psi Cube for five years (a number of years back) on the Deep Journeys of Discovery, I was shocked at how unpleasant my Response to Salvia was - Tried it twice, a number of months apart, with the same Aaargh! experience.
The Intent here is not disparagement - Alushe and many others attest to Profound Breakthroughs - Which just emphasizes that WE can never know / judge another person’s Resonance.
The reason for this post is to add to what
Personally I would recommend starting with a small dose of mushrooms if you can get hold of any. Don't take them (or any other psychedelic) if you're feeling depressed at the time, but if you can lift yourself into a positive frame of mind, and make sure you have a sitter with you, I would think a small mushroom dose would give you the gentlest and easiest introduction to the world of pyschedelics
Be aware that there is a definite Trigger Level to move through The Buffer Zone:
Not enough and you only experience the “Carnival" in a stuck-like fashion - That’s the way I experienced Salvia (and Psi on a couple of occasions). And with Psi, that’s Not the deep Journey.
Terrance always made reference to: 5 dried grams as a trigger.
My experience is that anything over trigger is no problem, just superfluous. Out of curiosity, much higher “doses" were tried with the conclusion that: Triggered is triggered, anything beyond might best be saved for the next Ride.
*Individual Response will vary - Check with your local Shaman for details*
On the topic of the Diviners sage, I need some advice.
I have experianced Salvia many time. Have learnt much from such. And respect her totally.
The problem:
Last time I met her was almost a year ago. I never remembered much of it but left with the feeling that I had offended her. I have been terrified to even smell her since.
But after reading this thread and talking with alushe I've decided it was time.
I cleansed the Salvia. I cleansed my pipe.
I got scared and didn't smoke.
Do I try again or should I leave her alone???
I'm lost.
All help will be well received.
Try again. The herb forgives 
Flow with it, if you get teasing mocking entities, ignore them and repeat "I wish to see the green lady".
Thanks man. But I am actually struggling to overcome this fear. It's the first fear in a long time I've felt. It's on the verge of complete panic.
Still, thats no excuse.
I shall try again.
Bit of gruff courage first? Apparently a little alcohol is good to help relax.
Acidic,
I haven't done Salvia but if its like any other things I've done, its all about mindset. Calm down, relax (maybe smoke some weed first?) and remember the Salvia isn't expecting anything of you - so you can't disappoint. Also dont expect anything except to have a "good" experience. If you're expecting or worrying about a bad experience with psychedelics you might just get one... so expect good and believe thats what you'll get.
Or at the very least, it won't be bad...heh
I've been watching this thread on and off for the length of it's inception and decided to be bold and share my one and only experience. I posted it on another forum, so will copy/paste to here. A friend introduced me to it, and he says that everyone he's ever turned on to it has had a completely different experience. He loves it. I on the other hand bounced off the cosmic walls.
The last time I got high, I was with a friend whom I trust, and we were smoking some marijuana and then some salvia divinorum. Everything was going seemingly well, realizing/remembering we are the universe and I could laugh at my own bizarre behaviors. We listened to some music, a variety of eras and genres. Drank some tea. Then we were listening to a record, the name of which I do not recall, which was of an artistic troupe from the 70's era in which they were performing a comical (depending on which side of the emotional spectrum you are on) mind altering play. It wasn't musical. Whatever was taking place, I began to perceive it has happening inside of me and directly relating to internal events, emotionally and psychologically. I became uncomfortable and frozen internally. As my friend and I began conversing, more him then me as it was difficult for me to vocalize any of my thoughts and feelings, I began to perceive "Rob" as not "Rob" anymore. I was face to face with only God. I began to repent or confess what I was truly feeling inside, with difficulty, and broke into tears crying "I'm sorry, I'm sorry!" I was at that time literally the most unhappy and saddest person on Earth. That is how I felt, and those were my thoughts. That was my reality in that moment. Then I leaned forward, sitting cross legged, reaching over to take his arm and began to feel and think I was going to hell. I began crying uncontrollably at the top of lungs, like a baby being birthed,"Why, why, why, why!" I felt I was in VERY big trouble and there was no getting out of it no matter my attempts to pull myself together. I began screaming "NO, NO, NO! over and over while thinking I was screwed forever and ever. This was it. The games and indecision were all over. No more chances. Accept the truth NOW or never. I raced around the small cabin we were in literally going out of my mind, a complete psychotic break. This was the single most terrifying experience of my life. It was eternal hell, infinite hell. My friend tried to console me. But when I looked at Rob, I felt his consolation was a lie. He was God mocking my own desire to wishful thinking. I freaked so hard and I could not find any peace. I kept screaming,"Make it stop, make it stop!" A bit later, with Rob's encouragement (I began to accept he was maybe still Rob, again) I was able to calm down a bit, and we decided to lay down and get some rest. My mind was so completely and utterly fried. I was unable to think straight or come from any place of focus. I could be led around like any drugged mental patient. When I was able to get myself to my sleeping bag I sat shaking so full of uncertainty with the feeling I had just chosen the illusion once again just so I didn't have to freak out anymore. Rob had then joined me on the floor in his sleeping bag. And as he was talking to me to try and comfort me, he pointed to a mouse on the floor and up against the wall. He said,"See that mouse over there? What's he doing?" In a complete stupor I looked over and said "Yeah." I felt so stupid. Then he said,"Well, this is the most normal you've been all night". I said,"Oh yeah!" My awareness popped back in somewhat and I realized what was bringing me out the turmoil I was experiencing was an outward shift of my attention as opposed to totally imploding on myself. A balance of external focus and internal focus. Shortly after we laid down he held me to comfort me, and we began to doze off. I kept feeling this pull to go deep into the void, but I was so scared of going back to that hell I had just been through I fought the pull. Just then, in response to my inward hesitation, my friend said,"Awe man...". But, he was speaking to me while his body was asleep! The next day, it was almost like reliving the experience. I couldn't shake off the experience from that night. I was left with a choice, was my life going to be a heaven or a hell? Will I let go of my illusions and selfishness, my fear? The story goes on, but this post is already very long. Needless to say, that day still bothers me some and hesitate to try pot or salvia again. I wonder if this will have to remain with me forever, or if I'll have to go through this again. It would be nice to just heal it.
Last of my salvia batch has been used...
Currently affecting me ... my mind is working things out. Vision trails... Music seems more "alive". All the significant goings on in my life are representing themselves before me in a symbolic/archetypal way. Hard to explain, all of my senses and everything I do or look at is symbolically revealing to me knowledge in the form of events, the way things are aligned... The colours of things, the progression and variation of sounds I'm hearing.
I dictated to myself the other night what would happen to me the next day.
I said "I will receive a message as soon as I awaken." : I awoke at 7:42am, which is unusual because I usually don't wake up until at least 9:30am most days. One minute later I received a message on my cellphone,
I said "I will have energy" : I was positive and full of beans all day, despite having not slept at all from 7am saturday morning until midnight sunday night.
I said "something unexpected will occur, bringing something I need into my life" : I signed up for an "old friends" website that morning on a whim... Later in the evening I had an email from a family and childhood friend whom I hadn't talked to in over 10 years. She had just signed up for the website that day aswell.
Things like this happen to me every day, it's hard to explain. I am becoming more lucid in reality, I am seeing things clearer and clearer.
Anyway, the salvia demands other things to do. Enjoy.
Salvia is brutal, one of the most powerful entheogens ever and can open one to hyperspatial domains very quickly. This is also easily accomplished without any extracts but with the regular plain leaf once the method of vaporization is understood and mastered. I advise extreme caution if comtemplating going into that plane.
Noble Realms → General Discussion → Salvia Divinorium
Powered by PunBB, supported by Informer Technologies, Inc.