Salvia Divinorium (Page 2 of 6)

You see, that is my main beef with people calling Hinduism a "pagan" religion. I know somebody who is married to a muslim indian, and when I started talking to him about my thoughts on hinduism he rudely cut me off and told me that the Hindu religion is "india's pagan religion" and gave me the impression that it is looked down upon "just like paganism in all the other countries." Pah, if only I could show that guy that all the Hindu gods are symbols, metaphors for a grand idea.
"He" (I only use this gender because I am relating to Hinduism here) is all pervading, everything. Even the light/dark side, the opposite sides of the coin are this same being. The dark side is the sleeping aspect, the nothingness that is necessary for the other side to exist. Woven through all of creation are the patterns or dance of this being. Everything is connected to it, and everything is part of it's great dance. All events and beings are not separated from it, but I believe something has happened here on earth which is preventing us from being fully integrated in it (or maybe he's just decided he likes doing the robot dance a bit too much)

I believe Salvia gave me a glimpse of this being, or something similar to it. I can see why the ancient south americans had such a distinct art style, as everything I looked at had the appearance of a weird rounded caricature. My head at one point resembled the shape of a foot, and it (it seemed like eight instances at once) was bashing itself left and right against the bodies of other people, who all appeared in the tapestry several times each, contorted into different shapes and all different colours as part of the pattern. I can see how this still pervades everyday life, as there were people there that I knew and each was coloured and arranged according to their disposition and personality leanings.

I believe that people such as myself who lean to the darker side of existence, but are here to learn, are this being's way of pulling the right people around it to become more self aware. The other people have their own lessons to learn, and as they are being directed to these other points of awareness (channelled through people), they also take on board alot of this information and spread it. It's like there are "mini-saviours" speckled throughout the planet (possibly universe) who are slowly starting to wake people up to the truth.
I would lump indigo children into these inserts aswell, also anyone who feels alienated and ultimately despair with life would be a symptom of being an insert who is placed in the wrong environment for development, or possibly because another personality trait they have inherited or had programmed into them conflicts with their awakening and self-sacrifices.

I also felt as if some entities were "toying" with me, some higher up aspects of the great sleeping one. I felt they were taunting me, as if Salvia (as many people say) were a shortcut to participating in these dimensions and they were chiding me about it. I did feel as if I were "not ready" to be in those places, as I had little power and little ability to influence my own destiny in those realms. Still, I was grateful for a glimpse, as I had been badly needing a "push" to the next level. Now I am ready to further myself more and more than ever before, so that when "eye" break through to these higher realms of my own perseverance and self-work, I will have more of a purpose. I know when I finally reside there to stay, it will not be in such a state of confusion and helplessness, because I will have come there with far more knowledge and respect from the others who therein dwell.

I shall continue using this substance with great respect for the glimpses it gives me. It is a much safer alternative for divining than other heavier drugs, as it does not mess around with other parts of your brain, and in fact leaves you feeling centred while all the craziness is occurring. Also, each instance only "lasts" (in earth time) aobut 15-20  minutes.
I recall last night realising that I was coming back into my body, but everything in my room still had an interconnected and "weird" look to it, while other lesser entities played around everything and -in- everything. I remember standing up and starting to try and rationally piece everything together, and as soon as I started doing that the spell was broken.

Ps: BarefootDoc, thankyou for the link to Mister Grist. A most interesting place that is definitely correlating with my own intuition and thoughts.

http://www.soulwise.net/gee-tips.htm

Edit: This is the reason I have been so quiet on this forum lately, and in "real life". I find words so inadequate, and I keep wanting to say a million things at once, so it's hard to put them in a coherent order. + so many people have said it better than I...

I could not agree more my friend Alushe.

Thanks Hkelukka, I have sent you an email.

How I "broke through" with Salvia:

I had smoked it several times with varying results, but nothing like the breakthrough I had last night.
I had smoked a small amount of mary about an hour beforehand, which helped me relax. I turned off all the lights except one, which I had behind a draped blanket to provide a warm ambience. I lay down in bed with the blankets over me and sprinkled a small amount in the 'chief (my pipe). It pays to inhale quite quickly with the flame directly on the salvia, and hold it for as long as you can. I had read the best way to induce a visionary experience was to take 3 hits in quick succession, so I started sprinkling the second lot in while I held my breath. After taking the second dose I almost instantaneously began to leave my body, so I placed my equipment on the bedside table, lay down and closed my eyes. The rest is history.
May try 3 doses tonight once I've relaxed significantly, possibly with a sitter for safety, as I did get up and stumble around at one point trying to fathom what reality I was in.

The experiences I had on Salvia were similar to what I have experienced during shroom trips, and while meditating. I only take hallucinogens maybe once or twice a year, and I make sure it is a very sacred experience. Cultures the world over describe similar experiences in their "religious" texts. I also believe archetypes and symbolism have a big part in these experiences, so while the aesthetics and the nature of the journeys may vary wildly, I find the symbolism is always very similar. This, I believe, has something to do with the fact that outside our normal perception, anything and everything is possible, and that the trip itself can be coloured by our own memories and personas. You also have to realise that each "person" is coloured by their genetics, upbringing and environment, which is -just right- for what that particular aspect of the great one has to learn. All these aspects are interdependent, colouring each other's personalities and beliefs. The influence that everything holds over everything is all artfully arranged if you look deeply enough.
Salvia, and other methods, draw sharply back the veil; unloads the programming in our resident memory that is holding our perception back from viewing the truth. The mind is all, our minds are microcosms of the macrocosm, we are all a product of the ancient eternal dance, none are separate from it.

If we call normal perception "base" then even that is affected by emotions, biorhythms, food, health and biochemical processes etc and is but a fraction what is out there or within oneself
I feel plant teachers do offer one glimses into higher selves and perceptions and a journey to "within" into inner space that is denied to all but the most skilled mediators.
the term Halucinagenics seems to imply that what one experieces is not real and yet we know that "base" perception can be nothing but indoctrination and cultural upringing as well as dogmatic belief sysytems etc so if plant teachers make one see things with a different perception is that not as real as many peoples base perception and philosophy? it all boils down to what is real anyway.

Salvia is different to all the other halucinagenics the closest to it being DMT in that breakthrough is experienced as being actually far more real than base, totally lucid in a waking dream that has a realness and familiality, unlike sleeping dreams and the things one experieces i feel have little to do with ones conscious base belief systems but more of ones unconciouness or "soul" which i believe is the 99% of who we really are.
I have not taken a plant teacher for a few years now as i am still with my base perception intergrating what i have experienced but may again one day.

edit: just to add that one is very rarley Lucid it seems to me in sleeping dreams, the few times that i have become lucid i realised i was dreaming and woke up. We seem to be as unconsious and asleep in our sleeping dreams and running on auto pilot as we often are in our waking state. The lucidity i was reffering to in waking dreams is like waking up from base perception to a higher state fully aware and unburdened by bases perceptions or matter world matrix grid.

Alushe, you wouldnt by any chance live in Finland. Preferably somewhere in south finland I could use a sitter who knows about this stuff, as well as someone who could provide me with this stuff

Oi, we shall see when your around Who knows, maybe i'll start growing my own salvias some day