121 Reply by transcend (edited by transcend 2005-12-07 13:44:57)

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Re: An open letter to David Icke.

I saw Barbara Marciniak not so long ago and she said that she (and the Pleidians) had instructed David Icke to do the whole reptilian thing many years ago.

There you go - a bit of new age celebrity gossip without having to do the click.

I bought a David Icke book that weekend - and the truth shall set you free, and I must admit it was unbelievably tedious. Having purchased it earlier that day for some light evening entertainment I must say I agree with Neo - who cares about a bunch of boring old farts (sorry, important families) who rule the world. Reading about them only gives them more power. As good old SW says, it's got nothing to do with us so why waste the energy. (Face the front!)

At the very beginning of the weekend Barbara said "oh yes, let's say hi to the CIA who've infiltrated the room" and I wondered who it would be. At the end of the weekend I did wonder whether that was her.

Andy and I had a big talk about it - how I felt really weird after that weekend. Like I'd had a lot of life sucked out of me. I'd read a question on NR about indigo kids and asked the question to the Ps. I got seriously told off for asking the question - "it's all a big lie and it's the CIA trying to find kids they can steal for mind-control and spontaneously setting fire to stuff and going on shooting rampages". "Any parent who thinks they've got an indigo kid is the most uncaring parent in the world". Whoa. However before that outburst we were told the Ps had in fact been the first to foretell of the Indigo phenomena and that they should get the credit for "inventing" it.

So then, why foretell something that is actually an evil CIA plot and then completely change your tune midway through a sentence. Hmmmm.

Her books are amazing and that's why I went along. Maybe I just got a bit of a bad impression. But I came away from that weekend feeling most unlike myself and very cynical about my own 'spiritual' self - in the way that if she's a cool 'spiritual' type person, maybe I don't want in.

Barbara herself was a great speaker - a fountain of knowledge on mythology and astrology and anything we asked her about - very engaging and interesting. She also said she wouldn't mis-inform us however I did some research afterwards on a few things like the giant skeleton found in Saudi Arabia in the desert which turned out to be a photoshop contest (allegedly).

Another thing I asked was "who to believe" - there is so much info out there and conspiracy sites etc which are very confusing and do we really need that kind of information? Are they even telling the truth? The answer to that was whoever is saying stuff that is really far out and weird isn't telling the truth - which again, I thought included some of the stuff she says. I like her books because they are so far out.

Of course I will take from what I have read and heard that is appropriate and make it part of my personal philosophy and discard that which isn't appropriate.

I just wanted to share that bit of info anway - about her telling DI to do the reptilian thing - I thought that was interesting. The one thing I regret not asking is about the secret underground colonies in Antartica..

The best piece of advice she gave is to watch world events based around the phases of the moon and the equinoxes. And make a diary with a column for you and a colum for the world. Nice, simple stuff. We like that.

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Re: An open letter to David Icke.

Softness and beauty in the eye of the storm

http://www.stuartwilde.com/Articles/SW_ … beauty.htm

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transcend wrote:

Softness and beauty in the eye of the storm

http://www.stuartwilde.com/Articles/SW_ … beauty.htm

Oooohhhhh, that is so fantastic!  I think that may be the best thing I've ever read from Stuie. 

OK, Lyra, I'm sorry I hurt you.  Truly.  Will you forgive me, please?

Yes...let's go to softness and gentleness.  We could start with cuddling our cats.  That's what I'm going to do now.

Love, softness, and gentleness to all,

(((Meow!)))

smile
Jen

124 Reply by Jen (edited by Jen 2005-12-05 19:36:06)

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transcend wrote:

I saw Barbara Marciniak not so long ago and she said that she (and the Pleidians) had instructed David Icke to do the whole reptilian thing many years ago. [...]

Thanks for sharing that bit of gossip, transcend, and about the workshop, sounds like a mixed bag.  I do think there has been some astral infiltration of the P's material, however, I think the books are still very worthwhile.  The latest, Path of Empowerment, is amazing IMO.  As for the workshop stuff, we just have to use our discernment.

And thanks for posting the link to Stuie's article--again, I really like it.
smile
Jen

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Re: An open letter to David Icke.

transcend wrote:

I saw Barbara Marciniak not so long ago and she said that she (and the Pleidians) had instructed David Icke to do the whole reptilian thing many years ago.

You know, the more I read your response and thought about it, the more it occured to me how authors and speakers in this field are obviously prime targets for manipulation. 

Once you become a major influence on the radar, more effort must be made to throw you off.  I can think of so many newage/metaphysical authors whose physical presence is not nearly as inspiring as the books they have written.

Well think about it, if your mind is focused on the reptiles and you spend most of your days researching the reptiles, writing about the reptiles, and talking about the reptiles, then how could you not be under reptilian influence?  You are tuning yourself into that frequency.

Once you become labeled as an "expert" in some field, then all anybody else wants to do is talk to you about your subject of expertise.  You become imprisoned by your own knowledge. 

And then the money starts rolling in, along with publishing agents and publicity agents.  Key word here being "agents".  Now you've got pressure to perform and production deadlines to meet.  Ugh.

It is not for us to understand love, but simply to make space for it.

126 Reply by Neomatrix (edited by Neomatrix 2005-12-06 12:49:15)

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Re: An open letter to David Icke.

transcend wrote:

I saw Barbara Marciniak not so long ago and she said that she (and the Pleidians) had instructed David Icke to do the whole reptilian thing many years ago. At the very beginning of the weekend Barbara said "oh yes, let's say hi to the CIA who've infiltrated the room" and I wondered who it would be. At the end of the weekend I did wonder whether that was her.

Thanks for the interesting post, Charlotte. I remember hearing something similar from someone else who had seen Barbara Marciniak channeling in person. They had commented that, although her written material is quite positive and uplifting, her channeling session that day had seemed somewhat darker and more negative in nature. I do admit to already having a natural tendency towards distrust of channeling and channeled material, but hearing accounts like this does make me wonder who's really pulling the strings here and why. We really do need to be very careful what we allow ourselves to believe, and the more we read this kind of material the harder it can become to discern fact from fiction.

So I think you might be right about her indirectly making reference to herself when mentioning about the supposed CIA infiltration of the event. I do harbour a creeping suspicion that there is a very dark agenda behind much of the New Age movement. We all know how powerful mind control techniques have become, so once a particular person becomes too visible and high profile, it may be relatively staightforward to influence them, or even to take control of them completely. And given how high profile David Icke has become, I'd be extremely surprised if he hasn't already been severely influenced himself.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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What the P's say here about the higher purpose of the rampant deceit and obfuscation in politics,  can also be used in applying discernment to their material:

Discovering How Strong We Really Are

"As mediated (media based) confusion intensifies the world over, political and sexual charades are used to purposely confound, demoralize, and separate humanity into oppositing factions.
The seemingly endless tidal wave of war propaganda, and a barrage of double-talk scripted to program human consciousness, will continue to offer a version of reality full of forebodings of fear, hopelessness, doom, and despair.

Even though the political management of your planet appears
to be racing out of control, from a higher perspective,
the flamboyant scourge of lies and deceit stimulates your growing awareness to awaken to your true spiritual identity, while you occupy a human form during these times of tumultuous transformation.

As spiritual common sense prevails,
an agenda of fear-based entrainment has no hold on an awakened mind.
Conscious awareness,  dear friends, is the key to unraveling
the mysteries of the multiverse.
And like hobbits discovering their strengths on their journey through Middle Earth, you will also discover how strong you really are."

The Path of Empowerment, Pleiadian Wisdom for a World in Chaos, Ch. 7, "The Game of Existence" channeled by Barbara Marciniak.

And as in any other practice, the more we use our discernment, the stronger and more reliable it becomes.

128 Reply by transcend (edited by transcend 2005-12-07 13:58:02)

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Yes, she herself said the whole new age movement is a CIA thing - although many things that were discussed that weekend were CIA or Illuminati. I was expecting the workshop to be about the new book - but instead it did end up a bit of a conspiracy gossip type weekend.

The reason I was drawn to the workshop and unbelievably excited to have stumbled across it not two weeks after arriving in the UK was that I'd just devoured Path to Enlightenment and thought it was the best book I'd ever ever read. It was so good I read every page at least three times so it took me the entire week that we were in Provence to finish. Usually when I'm interested in a book I'll read it in a day but this one required some serious thinking - a lot of great, new, practical information.

After I read it and got back to London I packed up all my SW books and put them in a box in the shed. ok... I even thought about taking them down to Watkins and selling them all, including my signed copy of God's Gladiators. This is merely an observation of my behaviour here - albeit somewhat out of character

So my next move is to retrieve the books from the shed and re-read Path of Empowerment for a bit of balancing out!

It was quite interesting how I felt so keen to shake myself(?) off after her workshop.

Another nice thing she taught us was about going back in time to yourself - to open the lines of time. Send thought forms back to yourself in the past and be there for you, then.  And get outside yourself and have a walk around you for another viewpoint. Give nature big pats every day, say hello and lay low.

My advice is to buy a bottle of organic tea tree oil in case of cold or flu.

Ok. I am getting totally off-thread, but that's how conversations develop and shift. Hope that's cool.

129 Reply by Jen (edited by Jen 2005-12-07 01:10:40)

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I shared Charlotte's workshop notes with a friend who is into the P's
and she said that Barbara and David Icke have been friends for years, and Barbara says David stole a lot of material that Jordan Maxwell had done all the work on (he used to work with Jordan).

She also said that Barbara has said more than once that if she ever sounds 'funny', to simply go with our OWN gut instincts, even throw away the books if we feel so inclined and listen to our own inner teacher.

She pointed out that the P's always tell us  that the only way to 'cure' what is going on is to allow, to send Love and good energy because we are actually healing 'that part inside of us that is reflected outward.' Good advice, I think.

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transcend wrote:

Yes, she herself said the whole new age movement is a CIA thing -

I've been thinking on this sentence since yesterday and it makes no sense. Why would CIA or any other organisation bother to organise such a big and indetermined movement? It may go anyway that they would never think of - because there are so much people involved. Wouldn't it be easier to strenghten people's bounds to organised religions, if they are so good at mind control? Just agitate muslims and tell christians it's time for a new crusade - and you've got a restless world (uh, sorry they already did that!).

Or... just gossip the claim that whole new age movement is CIA thing - that's it! No need to organise anything, just use already organised thing for your own agenda, cheaper-easier. What do we call this, the conspiracy conspiracy?

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Funny, I've been pondering that as well and it makes no sense to me either.  And as feritciva indicated,  the very term "New Age movement"
is very vague. 

I know that "New Age" has come to be a put-down phrase for many.   If it's New Age, it must be flakey and phoney. I think it's very possible that the CIA created the rumor that they created the New Age, as ferit said. Also that they shone a spotlight on the aspects of this
"movement" that would tend to make it seem like a pastime for space cadets--to distract from those aspects that are truly paradigm-shattering and threatening to the consensus reality.

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The New Age has been around for a long time -- actually the term predates the CIA - depending which "New Age" we are discussing.

Madame Blavansky is most often "credited" with this term -- and she was around just before the turn of the the twentieth century (1900) --

Check out this site:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~wichm/newage3.html

133 Reply by visavis (edited by visavis 2005-12-08 00:49:47)

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feritciva wrote:

Why would CIA or any other organisation bother to organise such a big and indetermined movement?

To control the opposition.  That is their game.

feritciva wrote:

Wouldn't it be easier to strenghten people's bounds to organised religions, if they are so good at mind control?

Fill the religions with utter control and fear, and then for those that 'want out', give them a way, but control much of it, as much as you can.  Interlace much disinfo and energy-wasting things with the body of truth, and make the disinfo part the part the pulls one off track.

feritciva wrote:

Or... just gossip the claim that whole new age movement is CIA thing - that's it! No need to organise anything, just use already organised thing for your own agenda, cheaper-easier. What do we call this, the conspiracy conspiracy?

Jen wrote:

Funny, I've been pondering that as well and it makes no sense to me either.

Keep in mind that:
Option A) If Barbara is telling the truth about the whole CIA/New Age deal, then that would mean there is a lot more disinfo and landmines out there than probably 99% of us realize.  This would further elevate the imporance of wise discernment, if it can be elevated any more.
Option B) If Barbara is lying about this, something that she apparently spent a good portion of the weekend banging on about, then that should considerably discredit her works, shouldn't it?

Apparently we can't have it both ways, anymore.  cool

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

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Neomatrix wrote:

I remember hearing something similar from someone else who had seen Barbara Marciniak channeling in person. They had commented that, although her written material is quite positive and uplifting, her channeling session that day had seemed somewhat darker and more negative in nature.

Neomatrix I find that interesting as well.  Not to keep going on about this, but I feel this is worth exploring.

I wonder if she used/uses a ouija board for channeling, like Laura & the C's? 

(I don't even know how exactly a ouija board works, nor do I care to find out through experience...)  To put it bluntly I have skepticism of this methodology.  Again, I'm no channeling expert nor the person who says this one's legit and this one isn't.  smile

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

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Christine B. wrote:

The New Age has been around for a long time -- actually the term predates the CIA - depending which "New Age" we are discussing.

Madame Blavansky is most often "credited" with this term -- and she was around just before the turn of the the twentieth century (1900) --

Check out this site:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~wichm/newage3.html

Thanks Christine, great site.  So are we to believe that the CIA
was behind all the books listed there (pasted in below)?  My, they are prolific! roll

The only one I've read is the one by David Spangler, I think it's great.

Literature:

    * Blavatsky, H.P.: The Key to Theosophy
    * Braden, Charles: Spirits in Rebellion; the Rise and Development of New Thought.(1963)
    * Darnton, R.: Mesmerism and the end of Enlightenment in France (1968)
    * Dutton, E.P.: The Theosophical movement
    * Faivre, A.: Access to Western Esotericism (1994)
    * Ferguson, Marilyn: The Aquarian Conspiracy (1980)
    * Freke, Timothy & Gandy: The Jesus Mysteries (1999)
    * Freke, Timothy & Gandy: The Hermetica (1997)
    * Godwin, J.: The Theosophical Enlightenment (1994)
    * Gurdjieff, G.I.: Meetings with Remarkable Men
    * Hanegraaff, W.J.: New Age religion and Western culture. Esotericism in the mirror of secular thought (New York 1998).
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    * Heelas, Paul: The New Age Movement. (1996)
    * Hutin, Serge: L'Alchimie
    * Israel, J. I.: Radical enlightenment : philosophy and the making of modernity 1650-1750 (2001)
    * Jackson, Carl T.: The Oriental Religions and American Thought (1981)
    * Johnson, K.Paul: The Masters Revealed (1994)
    * Lutyens, Mary: The Years of awakening
    * Meade, Marion: H.P.Blavatsky. Woman behind the myth.
    * Merkur, D. : The Psychedelic Sacrament: Manna, Meditation, and Mystical Experience (2001)
    * Needleman, Jacob: The new religions (1984)
    * Nethercot, Arthur H.: The first five lives of Annie Besant
    * Nethercot, Arthur H : The last four lives of Annie Besant
    * Ouspensky, P.D. : In Search of the Miraculous
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    * Pruyser, Paul W.: Between belief and unbelief (1974)
    * Rawlinson: The book of enlightened masters (1997)
    * Roberts, J.M.: The mythology of the Secret Societies (1972)
    * Schwab, Raymond: The Oriental Renaissance (1984)
    * Spangler, David: Revelation: The Birth of a New Age (1976)
    * Stevenson, David: The origins of Freemasonry (1988)
    * Stevenson, David: The first Freemasons. Scotland's early lodges and their members (1988)
    * Washington, Peter: Madame Blavatsky's Baboon (1995)
    * Wilson, Colin: From Atlantis to the Sphinx (1996)
* Yates, Frances A.: The occult philosophy in the Elizabethan Age (1979)